OSAS....= is Grace

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That only happens when you believe in him. YOUR FLESH does not go to heaven, and you are NOT DEFINED BY YOUR FLESH anymore. Meaning you are not labeled as these things in the new spirit of Christ. You no longer have the identity of an idolater or adulterer, etc. regardless if you give in to the flesh and do it... Your flesh will always sin no matter what. Your identity is in CHRIST when you believe on him.

That teaching raises red flags, look at this verse:

Jude 1:4 NLT
I say this because some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches, saying that God’s marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives. The condemnation of such people was recorded long ago, for they have denied our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

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That teaching raises red flags, look at this verse:

Jude 1:4 NLT
I say this because some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches, saying that God’s marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives. The condemnation of such people was recorded long ago, for they have denied our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
See, thinking with the flesh again. You believe someone who believes in the REAL gospel wants to sin so they use the gospel as an excuse to sin? I know fleshly minded thinkers like you very well. You think I just love my sin sooo much and I'm lazy and not doing as much work as you huh? :)

Please repent and believe in the real gospel. You are not justified by your works, or by how little you sin, but by what Jesus has done for you on the cross. Jesus gives you rest. You believe in false religion. If you don't believe this, you are not saved, simple as that.
 
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So what point dear brother are you trying to make here. That people that don't hold to OSAS are more prone to yielding to the flesh than folk who hold to it? There's people walking in the flesh on whatever position they hold.
Honestly I think people who don't believe in OSAS not only live in the flesh, but aren't even saved. I know that's extreme, but if you think about it, are they really trusting in Jesus alone? Are they really trusting God or relying partly on themselves? That's the killer question. Anyone who even in the slightest relies on their works to save them (and that's what people who reject OSAS do because they think someone's actions can make them unsaved) then they are not saved...
 
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See, thinking with the flesh again. You believe someone who believes in the REAL gospel wants to sin so they use the gospel as an excuse to sin? I know fleshly minded thinkers like you very well. You think I just love my sin sooo much and I'm lazy and not doing as much work as you huh? :).

I'm glad you don't think that way but your earlier statement is misleading.

An unbeliever or new Christian reading your statement could be deceived.
 
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Hello, this is why Jesus has to come or why salvation is the work of God Alone for us....
We must REMEMBER that GOD IS THE JUDGE!!!! And this what He says about the human race...

Paul was speaking by the Spirit of God in Romans 3:9-18

"...For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are ALL under the Power of Sin.
As it is written:

There is NO ONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE,
There is NO ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS,
There is NO ONE WHO SEEK GOD,

All have Turned Away, they have All together become worthless (this is why salvation must be done by God Alone)

THERE IS NO ONE WHO DOES GOOD, NOT EVEN ONE..

This is what sin has done to His creation according to God...
 
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TW, don't worry about what ant OSAS'r is claiming, or accuses you of, it's 100% clear to me their tactics are pretty low, and denial? I won't even get into that.

And please, don't be open to OSAS at all, just read the last few pages, see what is does to a person. We don't want that happening to you.

It is not a sin to be obedient to God.
No it is not a sin to be obedient to God. IT IS A SIN IF YOU THINK YOUR OBEDIENCE SAVES YOU. THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT OF THIS DISCUSSION. Please read scripture carefully. What OSAS does to people? You mean what the gospel does to people? IT SAVES PEOPLE. IT GIVES THEM ETERNAL LIFE WITH GOD. You brushing that off speaks volume about you as a person... You think the gospel is bad news, not good news. It really shows who you are as a person and I pray for you that you repent and believe in the real gospel.
 
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I'm glad you don't think that way but your earlier statement is misleading.

An unbeliever or new Christian reading your statement could be deceived.
I'm not telling you whether I think that way or not, because I choose not to boast. You know why? Because it's NOT about me and my works, it's about Jesus. So no, I won't take back what I say EVER. And if you think I don't do any works, then so be it. The good news is my works don't save me, Jesus does. I don't need to prove myself to you nor does anyone. JESUS ALONE SAVES, your fleshly mind only thinks about works and sin, and your works don't save you.

Deceived by what? The real gospel? The gospel that saves? I urge YOU to delete your posts because you and everyone else who believes in your accursed gospel is on their way to hell... I know it sounds harsh but I take false teachers seriously. Your false teaching leads many people astray, it is the number on tactic satan uses. I will defend the gospel until the day I die. And no, I will not tell people they need to work for salvation. Because that is not true. Jesus did the work. We are saved by his finished work alone, plain and simple. That is the gospel. That is what new believers need to believe. Your false teaching is the deception, not mine. Your teachings is an accursed gospel that leads people to hell. You claiming new believers need to stop sinning to get saved is HERESY. They need to believe in Jesus Christ ALONE to get saved. No ifs, ands, or buts, this is the gospel. It's not about your works. It's not about my works, or your works. It's not about anyone's works. It's about Jesus Christ's finished work on the cross.

You sound exactly like a pharisee. One who believes in a damnable heresy and false teaching. It is incredibly dangerous and easy to get deceived by it, and it is dead religion. Repent and believe on Jesus Christ alone, because it is clear you don't given your comment about thinking you must stop sinning to get saved which is works salvation. You must believe on Jesus Christ alone to be saved, simple as that.

Your comments as well as the comments of many others here PROVE it's a very narrow way indeed. Many of you self-proclaimed Christians won't go to heaven, because you believe salvation is determined by human effort, even partially. Jesus Christ is a narrow road indeed, and very few will make it. That is evident here by all of you preaching false teachings and leading many astray. But as long as I am here I will defend the gospel until the day I die, so if anyone comes on here they don't get confused or led astray and believe in the the only thing that can save them, the gospel of Jesus Christ.
 
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I'm not saying that works will save you.
You are saying if you don't have enough works even after getting saved you go to hell... So yes you are. You are not justified by works, but by grace and grace alone. If someone doesn't has bad works then they will suffer earthly consequences. But salvation is through Christ alone and his finished work, not our works. We are not saved by our works, but by grace through faith in Christ alone, period.

You teach a false gospel. If you teach new believers this then God will surely deal with you harshly as he hates false teachers. I pray you repent and believe in the real gospel and not lead people astray. People need to know the gospel. That grace really is a free gift. You are simply religious, and sound like a pharisee. You are not resting in Christ and because of that you will face destruction unless you repent.
 
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That teaching raises red flags, look at this verse:

Jude 1:4 NLT
I say this because some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches, saying that God’s marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives. The condemnation of such people was recorded long ago, for they have denied our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

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We cannot claim to have Christ living in us (Grace of God) and live immoral lives....That is Impossible!
 
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We cannot claim to have Christ living in us (Grace of God) and live immoral lives....That is Impossible!
You are not saved by your morality or your works, you are saved by what Jesus did on the cross. Try again. None of us have moral lives... Do you not comprehend God's standard of perfection and what he proclaims is moral? Not how you live or how any other human lives besides Jesus... We all fall short. That's why we need Jesus.
 
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Your morality is sign of the Spirit or (spirits) that is living in you..(good or bad)
No, your works are not a sign of your justification before God... What Jesus did on the cross, and your belief on that alone is a sign of whether you have the holy spirit or not. That is what makes you justified. God does not make it difficult, only people do like yourself apparently.
 
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No, your works are not a sign of your justification before God... What Jesus did on the cross, and your belief on that alone is a sign of whether you have the holy spirit or not. That is what makes you justified. God does not make it difficult, only people do like yourself apparently.

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Belief is defined by John 14:12.
 
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No, your works are not a sign of your justification before God... What Jesus did on the cross, and your belief on that alone is a sign of whether you have the holy spirit or not. That is what makes you justified. God does not make it difficult, only people do like yourself apparently.
What works do you mean??? there is work that comes from your faith (1Thes1-3) you cannot have just faith without the work to show that God's is living in you by His Spirit..James 2-17 " Faith by itself if it is Not accompanied by action is dead" ...But there is also work produced by your own merits.(self righteous )
 
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You are saying if you don't have enough works even after getting saved you go to hell... So yes you are. You are not justified by works

If someone loves to do good works, would you tell them to stop what they're doing?

Would you tell them what they're doing is evil and they will go to hell for it?
 
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No it is not a sin to be obedient to God. IT IS A SIN IF YOU THINK YOUR OBEDIENCE SAVES YOU. THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT OF THIS DISCUSSION. Please read scripture carefully. What OSAS does to people? You mean what the gospel does to people? IT SAVES PEOPLE. IT GIVES THEM ETERNAL LIFE WITH GOD. You brushing that off speaks volume about you as a person... You think the gospel is bad news, not good news. It really shows who you are as a person and I pray for you that you repent and believe in the real gospel.


What osas does to people, it puts them into a state of denial and causes them to be deceitful because it's the only way they can make OSAS work, as it's a deception in itself. That is why I warn people not to even consider it, it's no more than an easy, do nothing false doctrine salvation that makes Christianity a lot easier than it really is, the reason people love it so much.

Satan loves it too and here towards the end times, the selfishness that causes people to buy into a very dangerous OSAS will cost multitudes their salvation. Also, the people who teach it, only care about others falling for it so they can reinforce their own beliefs, a terrible and selfish act that doesn't even take into account that those are actual souls they are messing around with. As long as they get their reinforcement, who cares what happens to those they are using for their own purpose. And yes, I feel it's every bit as bad as I'm saying, the reason I'd be scared to death to teach such a thing.

i personally think they need to constantly bring it up on these boards as they do, because they themselves need convincing it's true, the reason it needs constant reinforcing from others.

The examples here of the denial I mentioned, were claims we need not "do good" in order to get to heaven, and when called on that with very simple, and clear scripture that states we actually do have to do good by none other than Jesus himself, instead of just admitting being wrong, blatantly changing the definition of Jesus very simple scripture was the solution for the osas'r, I mean so blatantly, it was changed to a completely different verse, you'd never even recognize it as the same one. Then when called out on that, and once it was realized what was done it got a whole lot worse. The poster (I'm tying not to name any names) hem hawed around a bit, then decided to claim it was the Holy Spirit speaking through them that Changed the scripture, not them personally, and all that deception without giving it a second thought. Wrongly using the Holy spirit for anything is a very bad idea, but for osas's own purpose, to deceive others it's a terrible thing to do, yet they don't even seem to realize it. They are so badly deceived they're willing to be as reckless as they need to in order to make their point.
 
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I's probably obvious why we're so against it but I will still add, it's because I and others recognize it for just what it is, and we're very worried about those teaching it, as well as those receiving it. Some of us do understand that people bought into it out of sheer selfishness so they didn't have to obey Gods word, and will get exactly what they deserve in the end, but that doesn't make it any easier to take so we try to keep others away, and hope those that are caught up in it can pull themselves out of it one day if the right seed is planted.
 
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Well folks, I was told my presentation regarding the sealing of our salvation by the indwelling fear of Him was too long and that was why I got zero response.

So I shortened it to one verse.

Still no response...

What does that tell me?

Jer 32:40

“I will make an everlasting covenant with them that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; and I will put the fear of Me in their hearts so that they will not turn away from Me..."

I am trying to be kind... anyone who has experienced the Fear of God knows that He is not to be meddled with and would never entertain mortal sin.

That was the reason He decided to indwell us - for our own good - with the fear of Him (because our hearts are desperately wicked).

The arguments raging here dissolve into nothing if we agree with this promise so clearly stated in His word.
 
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Hi All

I am new here
can't figure out how to delete this reply.
help me learn how. Thanks in advance.
Read my actual reply.

May we all rejoice in the love of the risen Christ.:amen:

God bless
JP
 
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