Can Christians commit suicide and still enter into the Kingdom of God?

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I think people should consider one can be sick in their heads just like they can be sick in their stomach. Does one make heaven their home if they died with a sick stomach? Why would they if their head was confused? If we're going to slam one who had committed suicide wouldn't you likewise have to do the same for someone who destroyed themselves by say over drinking or smoking or some other vice?

So they in a sense had killed themselves but they get to go to heaven by saying a sinners prayer? One might claim it's different...how so? And if one committed suicide what was their reason? If they were in intolerable pain with no hope of relief (and I'm still not saying it's a good thing to do) but it can be easy to throw stones at one of which you know nothing of what they're going through.

Or people have a broken heart and see no hope of relief....No I don't think God is so judgmental not understanding that people can make mistakes. One the other hand if one commits suicide such doesn't mean they'll go to heaven....did they KNOW the Lord? Were they in relationship with him although they slipped into getting confused and mixed up in a difficulty?

If they didn't KNOW God before hand why should we think the rules are any different about the way and method of being saved? So I'd suggest some would make heaven their home while others would not but it's not necessary because they committed suicide. The suicide may have had nothing to do with it.
 
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Hello Family of God,

There are many well-meaning bible teachers, evangelists, and Pastors who wrongly teach that a Christian can commit suicide and still enter into the Kingdom of God (e.g., Charles Stanley). Is this true? And if not, then what are the dangers and ramifications of teaching or accepting this false teaching? Those who shepherd the flock of God will be held to a greater responsibility and accountability for how they feed the sheep.

"My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive [the greater condemnation]." (James 3:1)

"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; [I have OVERCOME the world]." (John 16:33)

Does Christ dwell in you? And if so, is it possible for you to fail overcoming the World if Christ does indeed dwell in you? You are to *take courage* that it is a guarantee from Jesus Christ Himself that all True Believers will also overcome the World system if He has His abode in your heart, mind, and soul. I am stunned at the amount of professing Christians who doubt the power of God (cf. Eph. 3:20; 2 Tim. 3:5). This demonstrates a lack of Trust in the Living God in which NOTHING is too hard for Him. (Gen. 18:14; Jer. 32:17, 27; Job 42:2; Matt. 19:26; Jn. 16:33; Eph. 1:19; 3:20; Phil. 4:13, 19; Heb. 1:3; et al.).

"For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?" (1 John 3:5)

The word "overcometh" (Grk. "nikao" νικάω; i.e., to conquer) is in the present tense, and this is indicative of someone who continually conquers the Word system and the trials and privations they experience in their lives. The act of suicide is in complete opposition to what the Bible says about the power of God and of Christ within them. Will Christ find faith when He returns?

"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also [justified]: and whom he justified, them he also [glorified]. What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?" (Romans 8:28-31)

There are Three tenses of Salvation in the lives of every Christian: Justification, Sanctification, and Glorification. We are saved from the Wrath of God and made righteous in the sight of God through the atoning death of Christ on the Cross. We are being saved through the process of Sanctification; and we will be saved (i.e., sin is completely done away with; and we are perfected at the glorification of our bodies). God promises that once He has justified us, He will ultimately bring it to completion without a doubt at the time when Christians are glorified. This is also in opposition to the false teaching that Christians can commit suicide and still enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath [begun a good work] in you will PERFORM IT [until the day of Jesus Christ]:" (Philippians 1:6)

"Nay, in all these things we are [MORE THAN CONQUERORS] through him that loved us." (Romans 8:37)

"I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." (Philippians 4:13)

Again, this speaks of a power that exceeds the limitations of the unconverted man or woman. Genuine believers have access to this power at all times in their lives. And again, this is in complete opposition to the idea the Christians can commit suicide; let alone, to commit suicide as a "Christian" and still enter into the Kingdom of God.

"For a just man [falleth] seven times, and [riseth] up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief." (Proverbs 24:16)

Most Pastors who teach that a Christian can commit suicide and still remain saved will tell their listeners that suicide is just like any other sin; and that Christians are forgiven for sins in their past, present, and future. The problem with this is that it is NOT like any other sin. If a person has [made up their mind] that they are going to commit suicide; then this is telling us that they do NOT plan on repenting of such a sin, because it ends in a state where repentance from such an egregious sin cannot be repented of after death. The dangers of such false teachings is that it can lead many false converts to a Christless Hell and the Lake of Fire. And the one who teaches such falsity will be held responsible for sending many people to an Eternal Hell and the Lake of Fire. Their lost souls and blood will be on the hands of these false teachers; and they WILL ANSWER to the LORD for this.

"Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and [IT FELL NOT]: for it was founded upon a rock." (Matthew 7:24-27)

"Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort; Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God. For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ." (2 Corinthians 1:3-5)

In Closing:

"Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: [I WILL STRENGTHEN THEE]; yea, [I will help thee]; yea, [I will uphold thee] with the right hand of my righteousness." (Isaiah 41:10)

God Bless!

I don't think you understand how someone who is suicidal is thinking. I'm sure there are people who die by suicide who clearly and rationally make a choice to die. I think they're few and far between.
You become convinced you are doing the best thing you can for those around you. Your feelings towards God may vary; in my case with my attempt, I felt like I was such a failure before God I deserved death. I had been struggling with depression related psychosis. I had barely eaten or drank and hadn't hardly got out of bed in 2 weeks. I wasn't in my right frame of mind. But after I attempted, I called for help. This is very common; when they did a survey of the people who had survived jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge, their last thought before they hit the water was universally wishing they could take it back. It's hard to describe a suicidal mind in a post like this. There is no way to describe the despair, the brain fog, the pain.

Suicide is not the unforgiveable sin. It doesn't say so in Scripture. It's certainly not something you want to bet on, but the depth of mental illness it takes to commit suicide I truly believe limits culpability of the person. If they couldn't make a rational decision, there is reason to hope God will have mercy on them.

If you're interested in getting a clearer picture into the mindframe of suicidal people, I would recommend "Night Falls Fast" by Kay Jamison.
 
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Of course, suicide is not the unpardonable sin. That doesn't mean it is right to commit suicide, but it is wrong to presume that God's grace or mercy do not extend to even those who commit suicide.
 
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Suicide is not the unforgiveable sin. It doesn't say so in Scripture.

It is usually regarded as unforgivable because one cannot ask for forgiveness after committing it. (Unless, I suppose you commit it in a time-delayed way, like taking a slow acting poison.)
 
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It is usually regarded as unforgivable because one cannot ask for forgiveness after committing it. (Unless, I suppose you commit it in a time-delayed way, like taking a slow acting poison.)

Luther did not teach that suicide was unforgivable. In fact he wrote to the contrary- while Christians do not exactly approve of suicide, it is wrong to assume a person who commits suicide is damned for it, because as Luther said, a person who commits suicide is often more like a robber on the road attacked by a thief- a victim, not a criminal.
 
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Well, I suppose Luther would have been an expert on sin, considering he indulged in so much of it...

There is no human being alive that earns heaven through their sinlessness, so I am not sure what your point is.

Luther's message was that God has compassion on those who commit suicide. Jesus is the exact likeness of the Father. God saves sinners, even people that commit suicide. When God looks at us, he does not see us as sinners, but his children.
 
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There is no human being alive that earns heaven through their sinlessness, so I am not sure what your point is.

The point is, Luther thought it was forgivable to murder Jews, so it is not so surprising he thought it was forgivable to murder oneself.
 
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The point is, Luther thought it was forgivable to murder Jews, so it is not so surprising he thought it was forgivable to murder oneself.


I think that's taking Luther's admittedly hateful writings on the Jews out of their historical context, which was from a sick man who was dying from heart disease and dementia.

God does not judge us by our failures, but he forgives us on account of Christ's merits. This is basic Reformed and Lutheran soteriology.
 
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"Suicide is a sin & means no heaven."


I haven't found one verse in the Bible that says this. If you can find one then let me know.

I Cor 3:17 is not talking about suicide so that one won't work. It is talking about someone trying to destroy the temple of God as a whole. The 'and that temple is you' is in the plural not the singular.

I agree with ace & timothyu & worshipjunkie. When you work with the suicidal like I have, you understand their thinking. Most who commit suicide do not intentionally do it but are usually crying for help. The small minority who commit suicide on the first try don't tell anyone they are going to do it but just do it. They are the surprising ones to everyone because no one saw it coming.

And Saul, despite his sin of rebellion & suicide was still saved. When the prophet Samuel was called up from Abraham's bosom (gan eden, abode of bliss, paradise) in Sheol, he prophesied that Saul & his sons would be killed the next day but then said they would JOIN SAMUEL where he was in Sheol, not with those who were unbelievers.

I Sam 28:19 The LORD will deliver both Israel and you into the hands of the Philistines, and tomorrow you and your sons WILL BE WITH ME. The LORD will also give the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines."

I Cor 5, the man who had his father's wife, was turned over to Satan by Paul, that if he didn't repent, it would be for the destruction of his body, but his spirit would be saved in the day of Jesus. That was a form of suicide if it had happened. But he did repent before it happened.

I Cor 5;3-5 Although I am absent from you in body, I am present with you in spirit, and I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. 4When you are gathered in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, along with the power of the Lord Jesus, 5hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the Day of the Lord.

Suicide is not the unpardonable sin & is forgiven in the blood of Christ, to those who are born again Christians. Some people have chemical imbalances in their body that lead to depression, etc. and have accidentally killed themselves, crying out for help.

It is indeed a sin that cannot be turned around like most other sins & God is not pleased with that, because it stops His purpose of conforming us to the image of Christ & growth to maturity in Him.
 
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Hello Family of God,

There are many well-meaning bible teachers, evangelists, and Pastors who wrongly teach that a Christian can commit suicide and still enter into the Kingdom of God (e.g., Charles Stanley). Is this true? And if not, then what are the dangers and ramifications of teaching or accepting this false teaching? Those who shepherd the flock of God will be held to a greater responsibility and accountability for how they feed the sheep.

"My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive [the greater condemnation]." (James 3:1)

"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; [I have OVERCOME the world]." (John 16:33)

Does Christ dwell in you? And if so, is it possible for you to fail overcoming the World if Christ does indeed dwell in you? You are to *take courage* that it is a guarantee from Jesus Christ Himself that all True Believers will also overcome the World system if He has His abode in your heart, mind, and soul. I am stunned at the amount of professing Christians who doubt the power of God (cf. Eph. 3:20; 2 Tim. 3:5). This demonstrates a lack of Trust in the Living God in which NOTHING is too hard for Him. (Gen. 18:14; Jer. 32:17, 27; Job 42:2; Matt. 19:26; Jn. 16:33; Eph. 1:19; 3:20; Phil. 4:13, 19; Heb. 1:3; et al.).

"For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?" (1 John 3:5)

The word "overcometh" (Grk. "nikao" νικάω; i.e., to conquer) is in the present tense, and this is indicative of someone who continually conquers the Word system and the trials and privations they experience in their lives. The act of suicide is in complete opposition to what the Bible says about the power of God and of Christ within them. Will Christ find faith when He returns?

"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also [justified]: and whom he justified, them he also [glorified]. What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?" (Romans 8:28-31)

There are Three tenses of Salvation in the lives of every Christian: Justification, Sanctification, and Glorification. We are saved from the Wrath of God and made righteous in the sight of God through the atoning death of Christ on the Cross. We are being saved through the process of Sanctification; and we will be saved (i.e., sin is completely done away with; and we are perfected at the glorification of our bodies). God promises that once He has justified us, He will ultimately bring it to completion without a doubt at the time when Christians are glorified. This is also in opposition to the false teaching that Christians can commit suicide and still enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath [begun a good work] in you will PERFORM IT [until the day of Jesus Christ]:" (Philippians 1:6)

"Nay, in all these things we are [MORE THAN CONQUERORS] through him that loved us." (Romans 8:37)

"I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." (Philippians 4:13)

Again, this speaks of a power that exceeds the limitations of the unconverted man or woman. Genuine believers have access to this power at all times in their lives. And again, this is in complete opposition to the idea the Christians can commit suicide; let alone, to commit suicide as a "Christian" and still enter into the Kingdom of God.

"For a just man [falleth] seven times, and [riseth] up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief." (Proverbs 24:16)

Most Pastors who teach that a Christian can commit suicide and still remain saved will tell their listeners that suicide is just like any other sin; and that Christians are forgiven for sins in their past, present, and future. The problem with this is that it is NOT like any other sin. If a person has [made up their mind] that they are going to commit suicide; then this is telling us that they do NOT plan on repenting of such a sin, because it ends in a state where repentance from such an egregious sin cannot be repented of after death. The dangers of such false teachings is that it can lead many false converts to a Christless Hell and the Lake of Fire. And the one who teaches such falsity will be held responsible for sending many people to an Eternal Hell and the Lake of Fire. Their lost souls and blood will be on the hands of these false teachers; and they WILL ANSWER to the LORD for this.

"Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and [IT FELL NOT]: for it was founded upon a rock." (Matthew 7:24-27)

"Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort; Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God. For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ." (2 Corinthians 1:3-5)

In Closing:

"Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: [I WILL STRENGTHEN THEE]; yea, [I will help thee]; yea, [I will uphold thee] with the right hand of my righteousness." (Isaiah 41:10)

God Bless!
It is said in 1 John 3:15 that if you murder, you have no eternal life in you, so this might be why the common teaching about suicide arose in the church.

However, this stance may also imply christians cannot serve in the armed forces, since murdering other people is not fit for people who will inherit eternal life. etc.
 
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Hello Family of God,

There are many well-meaning bible teachers, evangelists, and Pastors who wrongly teach that a Christian can commit suicide and still enter into the Kingdom of God (e.g., Charles Stanley). Is this true? And if not, then what are the dangers and ramifications of teaching or accepting this false teaching? Those who shepherd the flock of God will be held to a greater responsibility and accountability for how they feed the sheep.

"My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive [the greater condemnation]." (James 3:1)

"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; [I have OVERCOME the world]." (John 16:33)

Does Christ dwell in you? And if so, is it possible for you to fail overcoming the World if Christ does indeed dwell in you? You are to *take courage* that it is a guarantee from Jesus Christ Himself that all True Believers will also overcome the World system if He has His abode in your heart, mind, and soul. I am stunned at the amount of professing Christians who doubt the power of God (cf. Eph. 3:20; 2 Tim. 3:5). This demonstrates a lack of Trust in the Living God in which NOTHING is too hard for Him. (Gen. 18:14; Jer. 32:17, 27; Job 42:2; Matt. 19:26; Jn. 16:33; Eph. 1:19; 3:20; Phil. 4:13, 19; Heb. 1:3; et al.).

"For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?" (1 John 3:5)

The word "overcometh" (Grk. "nikao" νικάω; i.e., to conquer) is in the present tense, and this is indicative of someone who continually conquers the Word system and the trials and privations they experience in their lives. The act of suicide is in complete opposition to what the Bible says about the power of God and of Christ within them. Will Christ find faith when He returns?

"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also [justified]: and whom he justified, them he also [glorified]. What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?" (Romans 8:28-31)

There are Three tenses of Salvation in the lives of every Christian: Justification, Sanctification, and Glorification. We are saved from the Wrath of God and made righteous in the sight of God through the atoning death of Christ on the Cross. We are being saved through the process of Sanctification; and we will be saved (i.e., sin is completely done away with; and we are perfected at the glorification of our bodies). God promises that once He has justified us, He will ultimately bring it to completion without a doubt at the time when Christians are glorified. This is also in opposition to the false teaching that Christians can commit suicide and still enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath [begun a good work] in you will PERFORM IT [until the day of Jesus Christ]:" (Philippians 1:6)

"Nay, in all these things we are [MORE THAN CONQUERORS] through him that loved us." (Romans 8:37)

"I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." (Philippians 4:13)

Again, this speaks of a power that exceeds the limitations of the unconverted man or woman. Genuine believers have access to this power at all times in their lives. And again, this is in complete opposition to the idea the Christians can commit suicide; let alone, to commit suicide as a "Christian" and still enter into the Kingdom of God.

"For a just man [falleth] seven times, and [riseth] up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief." (Proverbs 24:16)

Most Pastors who teach that a Christian can commit suicide and still remain saved will tell their listeners that suicide is just like any other sin; and that Christians are forgiven for sins in their past, present, and future. The problem with this is that it is NOT like any other sin. If a person has [made up their mind] that they are going to commit suicide; then this is telling us that they do NOT plan on repenting of such a sin, because it ends in a state where repentance from such an egregious sin cannot be repented of after death. The dangers of such false teachings is that it can lead many false converts to a Christless Hell and the Lake of Fire. And the one who teaches such falsity will be held responsible for sending many people to an Eternal Hell and the Lake of Fire. Their lost souls and blood will be on the hands of these false teachers; and they WILL ANSWER to the LORD for this.

"Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and [IT FELL NOT]: for it was founded upon a rock." (Matthew 7:24-27)

"Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort; Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God. For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ." (2 Corinthians 1:3-5)

In Closing:

"Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: [I WILL STRENGTHEN THEE]; yea, [I will help thee]; yea, [I will uphold thee] with the right hand of my righteousness." (Isaiah 41:10)

God Bless!

we are saved by God's Grace for Christ sake through faith. Suicide, murder, rape, child molestation, adultry, and any other sin we commit can be fully covered by the blood of Christ, even your sin.

Don't forget "our righteousness is as filthy rags"

A lack of saving faith is what condemns us, and no one can see the heart but God.

Don't forget the first will be last, and the last will be first. I think most people will be shocked at who they find at peace with the lord, and who missed the boat.

If heaven is only a place for non sinners, it will be empty. God views our sin through the blood of Christ, it's paid for, it was mailed to the cross.

Moses, and David were murderer's, and Paul was complacent in the same, and they were forgiven.

I would not be so arrogant to say that someone who committed suicide forfeits eternal life, the truth is no one knows, not you, not me.
 
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No. All suicides are not the same. Don't talk rubbish.

For example, look at the suicide of Lawrence Oates, who killed himself on the Terra Nova Expedition to the South Pole, so that his fellow explorers might survive. Are you suggesting that his "sin" is unforgivable?

I can think of plenty of other examples where suicide would be the noble and right thing to do.

We live in a fallen sinful world, dispare, hopelessness, pain, and anguish are everywhere, and people suffer from mental illness, and inspite of our efforts, people still sin.
 
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It is said in 1 John 3:15 that if you murder, you have no eternal life in you, so this might be why the common teaching about suicide arose in the church.

However, this stance may also imply christians cannot serve in the armed forces, since murdering other people is not fit for people who will inherit eternal life. etc.

Moses, and David were murderers, and Paul was complicent in the same, they were all forgiven. There is no sin so great that the blood of Christ cannot cover, and he is waiting with open arms to do so, our sins are freely forgiven for Christ sake, no one can earn his forgiveness, we cannot purchase it. Murder, suicide, rape, child molestation, adultry, and every other sin is forgiven the same. Are people who take there life beyond the grace of God? The truth is know one knows, some day we will find out.
 
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Moses, and David were murderers, and Paul was complicent in the same, they were all forgiven. There is no sin so great that the blood of Christ cannot cover, and he is waiting with open arms to do so, our sins are freely forgiven for Christ sake, no one can earn his forgiveness, we cannot purchase it. Murder, suicide, rape, child molestation, adultry, and every other sin is forgiven the same. Are people who take there life beyond the grace of God? The truth is know one knows, some day we will find out.
This is kind of why I live in questions.

I think some people might start quoting those passages that those sins you listed that were forgiven will not inherit the kingdom of God. and totally have some serious questions. might want to prepare some rebuttals. ;)
 
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It is said in 1 John 3:15 that if you murder, you have no eternal life in you, so this might be why the common teaching about suicide arose in the church.

However, this stance may also imply christians cannot serve in the armed forces, since murdering other people is not fit for people who will inherit eternal life. etc.
Paul was a murderer, so I guess that excludes him also.
 
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Paul was a murderer, so I guess that excludes him also.
Depending on your interpretation ethic.

If we assume Paul is saved, ("I too have the Holy Spirit") then this modifies how the balance of scripture paints the picture. The passages in James about judging with mercy come to mind, they seem to apply a lot when reading the bible, since reading the bible results in making one judgment or another nowadays.
 
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