Isaiah 40:22 -- "Globe of the Earth"

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I don't know about SZ,
I do.

And he's wrong.
Speedwell said:
... but I don't believe that the Bible teaches anything about the shape of the Earth one way or the other.
I agree.

Contrary to what most of academia thinks, God is not saying, "Let Me tell you a secret: the earth is [flat/round]."
Speedwell said:
In my opinion Isaiah 40:22 is consistent with either view.
It depends on which axis you're using: x/y or z.
 
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No, they accurately represent what the writers of that believed. In that area flat Earth beliefs were common at that time.
I think you're contradicting yourself.

And are you implying one cannot walk four miles in one direction before he starts to sink below the horizon?
 
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I don't know about SZ, but I don't believe that the Bible teaches anything about the shape of the Earth one way or the other. In my opinion Isaiah 40:22 is consistent with either view.
The Bible really does not "teach a Flat Earth". It merely reflects the beliefs of the writers. By the same standards the Bible does not "teach slavery" but the people at that time believed that it was perfectly okay. The problem with Bible literalism is that one ends up picking and choosing which parts to be literal about. That almost always leads to mistaken beliefs.
 
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I think you're contradicting yourself.

And are you implying one cannot walk four miles in one direction before he starts to sink below the horizon?


Hardly. When one walks that distance one simply does not see that he falls below the horizon. There is far too much variation in local topography to notice this in most areas. And that would be in using modern telescopes. By sight this is not an observable phenomenon.
 
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The Bible really does not "teach a Flat Earth".
You're contradicting yourself.

There are atheists who try to discredit the Bible by insisting that it teaches a flat earth.

There are also Christians who insist that the Bible teaches a flat earth, and that it is accurate in doing so.

The Bible is wrong in so many other areas that there is no need to focus on the Flat Earth teachings. Yes, it does teach a Flat earth, but that was a reasonable mistake for the time it was written in. Reasonable errors do not discredit the Bible.
 
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You're contradicting yourself.
Wrong, you quoted out of context. By that standard the Bible says that "there is no God" twelve times. It would be dishonest for me to claim that the Bible made that claim by quoting out of context. By your standards the Bible does reject the existence of God I am not the one contradicting myself. Please do not quote out of context.
 
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Mr. Nope strikes again.
Most of the times your posts are so poorly written that a "Nope" is all that it takes to refute them.

But I did explain your error in the above post. You quoted out of context. People that do so are quite often attempting to lie by exclusion. As a result even if that was not what you were attempting to do it looks as if you were trying to lie.

What you should do when you don't understand is to ask questions properly and politely. That means no questions with no so hidden incorrect assumptions in them. It is almost wrong to ask someone "Have you quit beating your wife yet?" Avoid that sort of question and we should be fine.
 
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Most of the times your posts are so poorly written that a "Nope" is all that it takes to refute them.

But I did explain your error in the above post. You quoted out of context. People that do so are quite often attempting to lie by exclusion. As a result even if that was not what you were attempting to do it looks as if you were trying to lie.

What you should do when you don't understand is to ask questions properly and politely. That means no questions with no so hidden incorrect assumptions in them. It is almost wrong to ask someone "Have you quit beating your wife yet?" Avoid that sort of question and we should be fine.
Nope.
 
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Too bad that you either could not understand or could not admit to your errors.

I would still be happy to help you. But I doubt if you will let anyone help you understand the Bible or the world that we live in.
 
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Then why does he say this?
If that's true, then for 5900 years people have known that the earth is round.

So God wouldn't be saying, "Let me let you in on a secret: the earth is round."
By the 1st century A.D., flat earth beliefs were only held by the most uneducated people of Jewish, Greek and Roman societies.
 
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One outdated and at times poorly translated version of the Bible makes your claim. Like it or not more modern translations are more accurate.

How do you know a Bible is correctly translated or not?
 
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When you use an outdated translation and use a single word out of context you are going to get the meaning fo the verse wrong. That verse would not be phrased that way in modern English. You should be using a more modern translation.
Corpus Of English Translations:

"Which sittith on the cumpas of erthe, and the dwelleris therof ben as locustis; which stretchith forth heuenes as nouyt, and spredith abrood tho as a tabernacle to dwelle" (1382 Wycliffe Bible).

"That he sytteth vpon the Circle of the worlde, and that all the inhabitours of the worlde are in coparison of him, but as greshoppers: That he spredeth out the heaues as a coueringe, that he stretcheth them out, as. a tent to dwell in" (1535 Coverdale Bible).

"That he sytteth vpon the circle of the worlde, and that al the inhabytours of the worlde are in comparison of him, but as greshoppers: That he spredeth out the heauens as a coueryng, that he stretcheth them out, as a tent to dwell in" (1537 Matthew's Bible)

"that he sytteth vpon the circle of the worlde, and that all the inhabitoures of the worlde are in comparyson of him, but as greshopers. That he spredeth out the heauens as a couerynge, that he stretched them out, as a tent to dwell in" (1539 Great Bible).

"He sitteth vpon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grashoppers, hee stretcheth out ye heauens, as a curtaine, and spreadeth them out, as a tent to dwell in" (1560 Geneva Bible).

"It is he that sitteth vpon the circle of the world, whole inhabiters are [in comparison of him] but as grasshoppers: *he spreadeth out the heauens as a couering, he stretcheth them out as a tent to dwell in" (1568 Bishop's Bible).

"It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in" (Douay-Rheims Bible).

“It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in” (KJV).

"He sitting upon the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants as locusts; he stretching out the heavens as fine cloth, and he will extend them as a tent to dwell in" (1876 Julia E. Smith Bible).

“It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in” (NKJV).

“It is He who sits upon the circle of the earth,
and the inhabitants are as grasshoppers,
who stretches out the heavens as a curtain,
and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in” (MEV).

“God sits above the circle of the earth.
The people below seem like grasshoppers to him!
He spreads out the heavens like a curtain
and makes his tent from them” (NLT).

“It is he who sits above the circle of the earth,
and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers;
who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
and spreads them like a tent to dwell in” (RSV).

“It is he who sits above the circle of the earth,
and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers;
who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
and spreads them like a tent to dwell in” (ESV).

"God is enthroned above the circle of the earth;
its inhabitants are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like thin cloth
and spreads them out like a tent to live in" (HCSB).

"He who sits on the circle of the earth, even its dwellers are like grasshoppers; He who stretches the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to live in" (GLT).

"He who is sitting on the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants [are] as grasshoppers, He who is stretching out as a thin thing the heavens, And spreadeth them as a tent to dwell in" (YLT).

"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,
and its people are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like a canopy,
and spreads them out like a tent to live in" (NIV'11).

"It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in" (NASB).

"The one who is enthroned above the vault of the earth,
its inhabitants like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a veil
and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in" (NABRE).

"It is he who sits above the circle of the earth,
and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers;
who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
and spreads them like a tent to live in" (NRSV).

"God sits high above the round ball of earth.
The people look like mere ants.
He stretches out the skies like a canvas—
yes, like a tent canvas to live under" (MSG).

"It is He that sitteth above the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are like chagavim (grasshoppers); that stretcheth out Shomayim like a curtain, and spreadeth them out like an ohel to dwell in" (OJB).

"He who sits above the circle of the earth —
for whom its inhabitants appear like grasshoppers —
stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
spreads them out like a tent to live in" (CBJ).

Of course the most updated Bible here that has been receiving lots of good reports from scholars is the 2014 MEV:

"It is He who sits upon the circle of the earth,
and the inhabitants are as grasshoppers,
who stretches out the heavens as a curtain,
and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in."
 
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