Difference between Soul and Spirit

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To start off, I'm more inclined to think of the "Soul" being more interchangeable with the concepts of "Mind" and "Heart" than Spirit is. I will attempt to explain why using scripture below, but first I'd like to get a few premises up. I believe the Spirit aspect of our being is not entirely "Ours" but is agenic of either the Spirit of God, or the spirit of the evil unclean ones. When we are born again and the the spiritual seed of God is planted and grows in us, we begin to possess that which can be called our "Spirit." We become "born of God." We are given "new life" — "born imperishable" just as the Holy Spirit is imperishable. Saved Christians have Body, Soul and Spirit. Unregenerate men and woman only have Body and Soul, and an unformed spirit. Children of perdition, Anti-christs, have Body, Soul and are infested and controlled by unclean, evil spirits. That's why 1 John 4:3 talks about the "spirit of the antichrist."

John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the SPIRIT, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

However, it is now my opinion that before coming to God, a man does not really have a true Spirit aspect to his being. He is influenced by both divine and profane spirits from beyond this realm, both sides vying for his attention and energy and the right to dwell within his Soul and influence the fruit he bears in life. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is then when one's Soul becomes so polluted, so vile and reprehensible, so evil and worthless that the angels of God, by order of the Holy Spirit, can only abandon that soul to the evil ones who then claim it as theirs and drag it to Hell with them. That person is then a BEAST who's Soul no longer bares any resemblance to the image of God at all. He or she is 2/3 of what God intended us to be (aka, 0.666 ad infinitum) A body, a soul but no SPIRIT. The SPIRIT of God is what raised Christ from the dead (happy easter) and that same Spirit is what raises us to eternal life.

Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

PREMISES

1) We know God is the Holy Spirit (John 4:24)
2) We interact with a spiritual realm that we do not fully comprehend on this earth.
3) In this spiritual realm, angels are warring for our souls in ways we cannot comprehend. If we look at—

Mark 5:9
And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.

Many unclean spirits (demons) were in the man (a living soul).

Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Luke 11:26
Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

This is why I believe that no Christian who is born again indwelt with the Holy Spirit can be, at the same time, POSSESSED (indwelt) with unclean spirits simultaneously. They cannot stand in the presence of the Holy Spirit directly residing in our vessel (Soul). We can still be OPPRESSED by evil spirits (obviously). What this indicates is that we can be INFLUENCED by spirits in the spiritual realm. We are still tempted even though we are born again, after all.

Hard liquor is referred to as "spirits" because they leave your Soul susceptible to the spiritual realm in a special way. Why? Because the altering of his consciousness opens him/her up to the spirit realms influence. God wants us to be temperate and sober of mind and not drunk on wine, which is dissipation. Probably the main reason Drunkenness is so detestable to God that he says no drunkard will enter the Kingdom of heaven. An alcoholic is going to be more prone to emotion, anger, revelry, violence, folly, and fruit that is opposed to the fruit of the divine Spirit.

If an ungodly drunkard continues in his way, is it any wonder that he will wax worse and worse until he is totally under the control and authority of unclean spirits that abuse his body for sin and destroy his Soul (mind, heart) in the process, leaving no chance at authentic Spiritual life?

Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

1 John 4:1-4
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

I hope these verses are helpful for establishing what I wrote at the start of this thread. They speak about spirits interacting with us, "confessing" things to us, influencing our thoughts (mind/soul) and trying to move us to that final decision: Are we spiritually born children of God...? or are we of the devil?

If we die without the Spirit of God, then we perish eternally, for we do not possess an eternal Spirit of our own that would quicken us from the dead. Only the eternal Spirit of God can make Life from Death. Thus Jesus says "thou must be born again!"


I know I should be prepared for a backlash here, as there are many differing opinions on this rather intangible subject. But I think it could prove to be a worthwhile discussion to flesh out (no pun intended). If you think I'm dead wrong please don't be afraid to say it and correct me, but use scripture as I have (of course) otherwise I'll have to disregard with prejudice and not feel bad about doing it either :p
 
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There are five different Hebrew words that arbitrarily get translated as "spirit" or "soul", none of which are adequately described by either of those terms, which don't really have English equivalents, so they are the best bad words.
 
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I only know that I have a physical part that can be objectively studied and understood. It is a machine that works mechanistically.

I also know that I have an ability to experience through one particular machine, and no other, for reasons that cannot be understood or studied objectively. This immaterial aspect is very real, despite being wholly unscientific.

It would be easy to overstate an understanding of this supernatural side. For now, I am only sure of what Descartes was only sure of, cogito ergo sum, "I think, therefore I am." I have a supernatural side that experiences. It would be hard to go much further than that without delving into idle speculation.
 
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I see the Soul as having three parts - the mind, the emotions and the will.

I see the Human Spirit of a person has three parts - the conscience, the intuition and the space in which He can dwell.

You might consider the following verse that confirms that we all have a God space within our human spirit...

Ecc 3:11

"He has made everything appropriate in its time. He has also set eternity in their heart, yet so that man will not find out the work which God has done from the beginning even to the end."

Eternity on the heart of man is a timeless space in our hearts in which He dwells if we are born again. If we are not it is vacant. This is why a Christian cannot be possessed because a mortal spirit cannot cross the boundary into the eternal space reserved for God alone.

Bear in mind that when He takes up residence within us He comes in seven aspects mentioned in Isaiah 11 These seven spirits of God also mentioned in Revelation several times.

The conscience and intuition are given to all humans making them capable of responding to God in creation who will judge them according to how they respond. Rom 1:20

Hope that helps...

Blessings,

Carl Emerson.
 
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Ecc 3:11

"He has made everything appropriate in its time. He has also set eternity in their heart, yet so that man will not find out the work which God has done from the beginning even to the end."

I think this is my new favorite verse right now. I'm going to look it up on Studylight.org

thanks!
 
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The soul and the spirit are the two primary immaterial parts that Scripture ascribes to humanity. It can be confusing to attempt to discern the precise differences between the two. The word spirit refers only to the immaterial facet of humanity. Human beings have a spirit, but we are not spirits. However, in Scripture, only believers are said to be spiritually alive.

1 Corinthians 2:11 ESV - For who knows a… | Biblia
 
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I think this is my new favorite verse right now. I'm going to look it up on Studylight.org

thanks!
I like that verse too. In the KJV, eternity is translated world. But in the NKJV it is eternity. It use to be eternity in the KJV, but it isn't anymore. :scratch:
 
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The soul and the spirit are the two primary immaterial parts that Scripture ascribes to humanity. It can be confusing to attempt to discern the precise differences between the two. The word spirit refers only to the immaterial facet of humanity. Human beings have a spirit, but we are not spirits. However, in Scripture, only believers are said to be spiritually alive.

1 Corinthians 2:11 ESV - For who knows a… | Biblia

Yes we are spirits. Human beings were created in the image of God,and God is Spirit and so are we. We are spirit, soul and body.
1Thes.5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.(KJV)
 
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Yes we are spirits. Human beings were created in the image of God,and God is Spirit and so are we. We are spirit, soul and body.
1Thes.5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.(KJV)

I'll agree we are created in His image..we have only a fraction of the spirit.

If you really wanna break it down, I'm probably far better looking than Jesus or his Father.

I'm betting they both have a [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]~load more spirit though.
 
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However, it is now my opinion that before coming to God, a man does not really have a true Spirit aspect to his being.
Yes he does, but it is what you could call in a coma.And it stays that way until the Holy Spirit regenerates it when we are born again.Because of this, our souls are mainly trained by our bodies through the five senses and the world.
He is influenced by both divine and profane spirits from beyond this realm, both sides vying for his attention and energy and the right to dwell within his Soul and influence the fruit he bears in life.
Yeah, the fall made him susceptible to both good and evil. Before the fall man only knew good. It is weird how satan convinced man that knowing evil was a good thing.

This is imho a great topic. :idea:
 
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Yes, there is a difference between a person's spirit & their soul. There are many verses throughout the Bible on this. But to make it simple, just look at Jesus.

When He physically died as a man on the cross, He committed His spirit into the Father's hand, as it departed from His dead body. (Luke 23:46)

AT THE SAME TIME, His physically dead body (He breathed His last) was placed in a tomb, now separated from His spirit & His soul. (Acts 13:29)

AT THE SAME TIME, His soul was transported in the invisible realm to Sheol/Hades, where the departed souls go after departing from their physically dead bodies. (Psalm 16:10; Acts 2:27)

Jesus' soul stayed there for 3 days, then He was resurrected & His spirit & His soul were re-united to His resurrected body.

I Thess 5:23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely, and may your entire spirit, soul, and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Heb 4:12,13 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it pierces even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It judges the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight; everything is uncovered and exposed before the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
 
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I like that verse too. In the KJV, eternity is translated world. But in the NKJV it is eternity. It use to be eternity in the KJV, but it isn't anymore. :scratch:

This is a good example of why I use the NASB - for me accuracy is more important than readability...

Ecc 3:11 NASB
He has made everything appropriate in its time. He has also set eternity in their heart, yet so that man will not find out the work which God has done from the beginning even to the end.

This verse also confirms that our learning about Him and His works will continue forever...

Blessings,

Carl Emerson.
 
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This is a good example of why I use the NASB - for me accuracy is more important than readability...

Ecc 3:11 NASB
He has made everything appropriate in its time. He has also set eternity in their heart, yet so that man will not find out the work which God has done from the beginning even to the end.

This verse also confirms that our learning about Him and His works will continue forever...

Blessings,

Carl Emerson.

I like the NASB, but it doesn't have all the verses in their complete form. So I use the NKJV first, then for more clarity, the NASB.
 
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Human beings have a spirit, but we are not spirits. However, in Scripture, only believers are said to be spiritually alive.

1 Corinthians 2:11 ESV - For who knows a… | Biblia
I differ, I believe I AM a spirit (made in the image of God (and "God IS spirit" Joh 4:24). I believe I have a soul (mind, will, emotion) and I live in a body.

I think Paul agrees with the spirit and eartly flesh point below.

2CO 5:1 For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

 
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Yes he does, but it is what you could call in a coma.And it stays that way until the Holy Spirit regenerates it when we are born again.Because of this, our souls are mainly trained by our bodies through the five senses and the world.
I don't think it's in a coma, but I do think scripture says spirits can be "quenched and grieved". I totally agree that our souls are really trained by demonic influences which lead to strongholds of stinking thinking. Strongholds which must be "destroyed" after we are born again.

2CO 10:4 for the weapons of our warfare are not worldly but have divine power to destroy strongholds. 5 We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ,
 
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When He physically died as a man on the cross, He committed His spirit into the Father's hand, as it departed from His dead body. (Luke 23:46)
Since it is the 'spirit' that gives life to a body I'd say Jesus surrendered his spirit first. Then there was no more life energy to his brain to make the muscles of respiration take a breath...then he died....
LUK 23:46 Then Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, "Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!" And having said this....he breathed his last.

It is the spirit that gave life back to the girl Jesus raised from the dead.

LUK 8:55 And her spirit returned, and she got up at once; and he directed that something should be given her to eat.
 
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I don't think it's in a coma, but I do think scripture says spirits can be "quenched and grieved". I totally agree that our souls are really trained by demonic influences which lead to strongholds of stinking thinking. Strongholds which must be "destroyed" after we are born again.

2CO 10:4 for the weapons of our warfare are not worldly but have divine power to destroy strongholds. 5 We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ,
HAHA! Stinking thinking, man, I have not heard that term in a long time! LOL. Yes I agree about that.After the fall man's thoughts stunk to high heaven!
Gen. 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Can you imagine that kind of stinking thinking? It was so bad, God was grieved that He had even made man
 
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Can you imagine that kind of stinking thinking? It was so bad, Gos was grieved that He had even made man
I do have trouble imagining that, I have to admit. With God being omniscient, that statement from Him just doesn't seem to make sense to me. :scratch:
 
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To start off, I'm more inclined to think of the "Soul" being more interchangeable with the concepts of "Mind" and "Heart" than Spirit is. I will attempt to explain why using scripture below, but first I'd like to get a few premises up. I believe the Spirit aspect of our being is not entirely "Ours" but is agenic of either the Spirit of God, or the spirit of the evil unclean ones. When we are born again and the the spiritual seed of God is planted and grows in us, we begin to possess that which can be called our "Spirit." We become "born of God." We are given "new life" — "born imperishable" just as the Holy Spirit is imperishable. Saved Christians have Body, Soul and Spirit. Unregenerate men and woman only have Body and Soul, and an unformed spirit. Children of perdition, Anti-christs, have Body, Soul and are infested and controlled by unclean, evil spirits. That's why 1 John 4:3 talks about the "spirit of the antichrist."

John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the SPIRIT, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

However, it is now my opinion that before coming to God, a man does not really have a true Spirit aspect to his being. He is influenced by both divine and profane spirits from beyond this realm, both sides vying for his attention and energy and the right to dwell within his Soul and influence the fruit he bears in life. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is then when one's Soul becomes so polluted, so vile and reprehensible, so evil and worthless that the angels of God, by order of the Holy Spirit, can only abandon that soul to the evil ones who then claim it as theirs and drag it to Hell with them. That person is then a BEAST who's Soul no longer bares any resemblance to the image of God at all. He or she is 2/3 of what God intended us to be (aka, 0.666 ad infinitum) A body, a soul but no SPIRIT. The SPIRIT of God is what raised Christ from the dead (happy easter) and that same Spirit is what raises us to eternal life.

Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

PREMISES
1) We know God is the Holy Spirit (John 4:24)
2) We interact with a spiritual realm that we do not fully comprehend on this earth.
3) In this spiritual realm, angels are warring for our souls in ways we cannot comprehend. If we look at—

Mark 5:9
And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.

Many unclean spirits (demons) were in the man (a living soul).

Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Luke 11:26
Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

This is why I believe that no Christian who is born again indwelt with the Holy Spirit can be, at the same time, POSSESSED (indwelt) with unclean spirits simultaneously. They cannot stand in the presence of the Holy Spirit directly residing in our vessel (Soul). We can still be OPPRESSED by evil spirits (obviously). What this indicates is that we can be INFLUENCED by spirits in the spiritual realm. We are still tempted even though we are born again, after all.

Hard liquor is referred to as "spirits" because they leave your Soul susceptible to the spiritual realm in a special way. Why? Because the altering of his consciousness opens him/her up to the spirit realms influence. God wants us to be temperate and sober of mind and not drunk on wine, which is dissipation. Probably the main reason Drunkenness is so detestable to God that he says no drunkard will enter the Kingdom of heaven. An alcoholic is going to be more prone to emotion, anger, revelry, violence, folly, and fruit that is opposed to the fruit of the divine Spirit.

If an ungodly drunkard continues in his way, is it any wonder that he will wax worse and worse until he is totally under the control and authority of unclean spirits that abuse his body for sin and destroy his Soul (mind, heart) in the process, leaving no chance at authentic Spiritual life?

Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

1 John 4:1-4
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

I hope these verses are helpful for establishing what I wrote at the start of this thread. They speak about spirits interacting with us, "confessing" things to us, influencing our thoughts (mind/soul) and trying to move us to that final decision: Are we spiritually born children of God...? or are we of the devil?

If we die without the Spirit of God, then we perish eternally, for we do not possess an eternal Spirit of our own that would quicken us from the dead. Only the eternal Spirit of God can make Life from Death. Thus Jesus says "thou must be born again!"


I know I should be prepared for a backlash here, as there are many differing opinions on this rather intangible subject. But I think it could prove to be a worthwhile discussion to flesh out (no pun intended). If you think I'm dead wrong please don't be afraid to say it and correct me, but use scripture as I have (of course) otherwise I'll have to disregard with prejudice and not feel bad about doing it either :p

A soul is a living being. The words are sometimes translated as life. Spirit is a figurative use for the word Neshema, Ruach, and Pneuma, and these all mean wind or breath.
 
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I do have trouble imagining that, I have to admit. With God being omniscient, that statement from Him just doesn't seem to make sense to me. :scratch:
Yet Lord Jesus warns that those days, when mankind's thoughts will stink to high heaven, will recur again in the last days as it was in the days of Noah. Mankind's thoughts reside in the soul, but the Word of God is able to cut the soul from the spirit.
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

So we learn from this verse that soul and spirit are different from each other and they are not to be used interchangeably with each other. Now, I see the soul as the decider. It makes the decision as to what the whole man/woman will do. The mind, will and emotions dwell in the soul.The spirit of man is the part where the Holy Spirit dwells. He wakes up, or, regenerates man's spirit and helps man to control the carnal mind of the soul, which has been trained by the world, the flesh and the devil.
 
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