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I really do not care about your particular sect or cult. We were discussing Christianity and Islam.
You might want to study up on what a separatist is as well.
 
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God might have revealed himself to them, but like most they may have chosen to make their own form of religion. This is what has happened with most societies. God's actual word is too harsh so they craft easier ones. Isn't it curious that most peoples have an innate need to worship something of a supernatural nature.

Actually, I was thinking that God seems to have an innate need to be worshipped, judging from all the rules and that which he established for that in the Bible, so it strikes me as odd that he didn't do the same thing with the Aboriginal people.

It's almost like they figured out boomerangs by themselves and religion is just a way to keep people in line, provide answers (even if they're wrong) about how the world works and to establish a system for living that is unique depending on where in the world it is established and doesn't actually speak about any real deity...
 
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Actually, I was thinking that God seems to have an innate need to be worshipped, judging from all the rules and that which he established for that in the Bible, so it strikes me as odd that he didn't do the same thing with the Aboriginal people.

It's almost like they figured out boomerangs by themselves and religion is just a way to keep people in line, provide answers (even if they're wrong) about how the world works and to establish a system for living that is unique depending on where in the world it is established and doesn't actually speak about any real deity...

The Australian aborigine's religions bear many similarities to ours. Most are converts to Christianity today, but many still practice 'the old ways'.

Aboriginal Culture
 
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The Australian aborigine's religions bear many similarities to ours. Most are converts to Christianity today, but many still practice 'the old ways'.

Aboriginal Culture

Sorry, but the link you posted doesn't seem, to support the idea that Aboriginal faiths are just different flavours of Christianity.
 
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Sorry, but the link you posted doesn't seem, to support the idea that Aboriginal faiths are just different flavours of Christianity.

I didn't say that.
 
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You said:



Please clarify what similarities you meant.

From the link: The earth created by a deity, benevolent and malevolent deities (the "rainbow serpent" is clearly analogous to Satan).
 
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From the link: The earth created by a deity, benevolent and malevolent deities (the "rainbow serpent" is clearly analogous to Satan).

So when you said "similarities with Christianity," you actually meant, "similarities with just about every religion ever invented."

Also, you equate the Rainbow Serpent with Satan, and yet, the Rainbow Serpent is, in some Aboriginal cultures, seen as the ultimate creator of everything. So I'd suggest that you don't know enough about this topic to justify your claims in any way.
 
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So when you said "similarities with Christianity," you actually meant, "similarities with just about every religion ever invented."

Also, you equate the Rainbow Serpent with Satan, and yet, the Rainbow Serpent is, in some Aboriginal cultures, seen as the ultimate creator of everything. So I'd suggest that you don't know enough about this topic to justify your claims in any way.

Most religions outside of Christianity actually worship the wrong spirit being. They are counterfeit religions. Some form of a glorified serpent appears in many such religions. Of particular note is one that has "the writhing of giant snake casting up the mountains", a direct inference to the destruction caused by the rebellion of Lucifer.
 
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Most religions outside of Christianity actually worship the wrong spirit being. They are counterfeit religions. Some form of a glorified serpent appears in many such religions. Of particular note is one that has "the writhing of giant snake casting up the mountains", a direct inference to the destruction caused by the rebellion of Lucifer.
And you what evidence do you have that supports this claim? The Bible surely does not work since other religions have their own religious books that are just as valid. You need something more if you want to convince anyone.
 
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And you what evidence do you have that supports this claim? The Bible surely does not work since other religions have their own religious books that are just as valid. You need something more if you want to convince anyone.

I don't try to convince anyone of anything.
 
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From the link: The earth created by a deity, benevolent and malevolent deities (the "rainbow serpent" is clearly analogous to Satan).

Most religions follow certain patterns. The whole purpose of mythology and/or religion is to provide answers to the big questions of existence... it only makes sense that mos people are asking similar questions:

Where did we come from?
What is our purpose?
Why is there evil in the world?

Etiological myths (stories about creation) are usually the first myths. A "deus faber" (craftsman god) who sculpted creation, not unlike a potter with clay, is a common enough assumption.

This God provides the believers with a necessary purpose: please Him, and He'll reward you... or at least not smite you today... if you're lucky, He might smite those bad people on the other side of the river instead...

Most myths/religions begin based in nature, and people tend to see dualism/ balance in nature: day/night, winter/summer, sun/moon... so when they believe that a person/thing is responsible for creation, it stands to reason that there must be a destroyer waiting in the wings... and there's your devil.

Or... they recognize that creation is imperfect, with certain things they can't imagine any benevolent deity placing there (death, disease, supply-side republicanism, etc...) and conclude that something is trying to sabotage the works... and there's your devil...
 
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Most religions follow certain patterns. The whole purpose of mythology and/or religion is to provide answers to the big questions of existence... it only makes sense that mos people are asking similar questions:

Where did we come from?
What is our purpose?
Why is there evil in the world?

Etiological myths (stories about creation) are usually the first myths. A "deus faber" (craftsman god) who sculpted creation, not unlike a potter with clay, is a common enough assumption.

This God provides the believers with a necessary purpose: please Him, and He'll reward you... or at least not smite you today... if you're lucky, He might smite those bad people on the other side of the river instead...

Most myths/religions begin based in nature, and people tend to see dualism/ balance in nature: day/night, winter/summer, sun/moon... so when they believe that a person/thing is responsible for creation, it stands to reason that there must be a destroyer waiting in the wings... and there's your devil.

Or... they recognize that creation is imperfect, with certain things they can't imagine any benevolent deity placing there (death, disease, supply-side republicanism, etc...) and conclude that something is trying to sabotage the works... and there's your devil...

Interesting. But on the whole the Christian religion makes sense, if only to me. :bow:
 
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Interesting. But on the whole the Christian religion makes sense, if only to me. :bow:

Nothing wrong with that.

In most respects, the Christian religion makes sense to me, too... I've been very interested in the history of both it and the Jewish religion on which it's based.

Understanding the history is the key to understanding the faith.
 
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Most religions outside of Christianity actually worship the wrong spirit being. They are counterfeit religions. Some form of a glorified serpent appears in many such religions. Of particular note is one that has "the writhing of giant snake casting up the mountains", a direct inference to the destruction caused by the rebellion of Lucifer.

Is that the best you can do? That's an incredibly strenuous connection.
 
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Is that the best you can do? That's an incredibly strenuous connection.

I think you mean tenuous.

Similarities are well known and accepted. No need for an in-depth study on the subject.
 
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I think you mean tenuous.

Similarities are well known and accepted. No need for an in-depth study on the subject.

If all you can do is assure me you are right, you'll find that I will not be convinced. Either provide the evidence to back up your claims or don't make them in the first place.

Also, strenuous connection because you have to work very hard to claim that the two are connected.
 
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If all you can do is assure me you are right, you'll find that I will not be convinced. Either provide the evidence to back up your claims or don't make them in the first place.

Also, strenuous connection because you have to work very hard to claim that the two are connected.

All or most religions:

Claim a supernatural spirit leader, or god,
Have devoted adherents,
Proscribe behaviors that mitigate natural inclinations,
Offer a reward in an afterlife.
 
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All or most religions:

Claim a supernatural spirit leader, or god,
Have devoted adherents,
Proscribe behaviors that mitigate natural inclinations,
Offer a reward in an afterlife.

This is a LOOOONG way from convincing me that the Rainbow Serpent of Australian Aboriginal mythology is equivalent to Satan.
 
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