Buddhism books: throw, recycle, donate, pass on, burn?

samwise gamgee said:

But what kind of belief did they have? Most at least had an intellectual belief in the fact that Jesus died and rose from the dead but the belief that saves includes repentance of your own sins and the belief that Jesus died for you personally. As I pointed out above saving faith will show itself in how you live and the Nazis showed by what they did that they were not saved.

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yes, but maybe you should read what I am replying to. This is in response to people justifying the act of desecrating because not believing in Jesus = evil. Faith alone is the important and only rule here.

So I'm asking the logic on this. I can show you a thread in where some christians here have stated that a Nazi who believed in Christ has a higher chance of entering heaven than any of the non-believing Jews inside the concentration camp to even people with mental disabilities are going to hell because their inability to comprehend is still not believing hence not an excuse. Yet the buddhist's are evil nevermind that it has a smaller kill count.

Cis.jd said:

So I'm asking the logic on this. I can show you a thread in where some christians here have stated that a Nazi who believed in Christ has a higher chance of entering heaven than any of the non-believing Jews inside the concentration camp

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Christ is the judge.

"In your name I put Jews into death camps"

... I just don't see that going over real well.

samwise gamgee said:

Belief alone saves you but the kind of belief that brings salvation changes you so that you will do good works. Good works are the result of salvation, not the means of acquiring it.

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We should do good works after we are saved, as we are saved unto good works as well as crucify our flesh. But our flesh still remains until we die. We love God and we love our neighbours and we should walk in our new spirit. But salvation by Jesus and Jesus alone, period. We are saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. His finished work on the cross, not our works.

Cis.jd said:

yes, but maybe you should read what I am replying to. This is in response to people justifying the act of desecrating because not believing in Jesus = evil. Faith alone is the important and only rule here.

So I'm asking the logic on this. I can show you a thread in where some christians here have stated that a Nazi who believed in Christ has a higher chance of entering heaven than any of the non-believing Jews inside the concentration camp to even people with mental disabilities are going to hell because their inability to comprehend is still not believing hence not an excuse. Yet the buddhist's are evil nevermind that it has a smaller kill count.

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God knows everyone's hearts... God doesn't abandon people with mental disabilities and he has plans for them in heaven. But yes like you said it may not seem fair to you but that's the way it is... A Nazi who may have killed many people but decides to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and gets born again will go to heaven while someone who doesn't believe, regardless of their morality and works and religion, they won't go to heaven. That's the way it is. We don't have to like it, but God says so. Faith in Jesus alone is what saves you, nothing else.

DM25 said:

God knows everyone's hearts... God doesn't abandon people with mental disabilities and he has plans for them in heaven. But yes like you said it may not seem fair to you but that's the way it is... A Nazi who may have killed many people but decides to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and gets born again will go to heaven while someone who doesn't believe, regardless of their morality and works and religion, they won't go to heaven. That's the way it is. We don't have to like it, but God says so. Faith in Jesus alone is what saves you, nothing else.

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So you are saying that Nazi who has stuffed a jewish person or kid in an oven will likely go to heaven if he becomes born again while the jew he brutally murdered gets sent to hell. So no matter what a person does, no matter his morality or whether she has done more good than a christian, it's meaningless. So then, how does morality mean anything then if all good is meangless unless it involves believing in God?
You just defined an evil god than a good one.

Cis.jd said:

So you are saying that Nazi who has stuffed a jewish person or kid in an oven will likely go to heaven if he becomes born again while the jew he brutally murdered gets sent to hell. So no matter what a person does, no matter his morality or whether she has done more good than a christian, it's meaningless. So then, how does morality mean anything then if all good is meangless unless it involves believing in God?
You just defined an evil god than a good one.

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Yes, that's what scripture says. I'm not saying it, God is. We are all evil, and all of us fall short of the glory of God. God's standard is complete perfection. One can only be made righteous and perfect through Christ, regardless of how they lived in their past and their performance. The apostle Paul killed many people who believed in Jesus and he got saved. Jesus is powerful to save anyone, even the most vile including Nazi murderers if they get born again. A person who does not get born again by believing on Jesus Christ won't go to heaven even if they were "better people" than others. I can tell you there will be a lot of "bad people" in heaven and "good people" in hell, from the moral standards we use. But God says ALL of us are bad and deserve hell, and we can only be made good through Christ who washes away our sins. He alone is salvation, nothing else. So yeah someone who does a lot of good works and looks to be a better person won't go to heaven if they don't know Jesus. Just as someone who was very wicked and bad like a murderer does go to heaven if he decides to choose Jesus. That's the way it is and that's what scripture says.

DM25 said:

Yes, that's what scripture says. I'm not saying it, God is. We are all evil, and all of us fall short of the glory of God. God's standard is complete perfection. One can only be made righteous and perfect through Christ, regardless of how they lived in their past and their performance. The apostle Paul killed many people who believed in Jesus and he got saved. Jesus is powerful to save anyone, even the most vile including Nazi murderers if they get born again. A person who does not get born again by believing on Jesus Christ won't go to heaven even if they were "better people" than others. I can tell you there will be a lot of "bad people" in heaven and "good people" in hell, from the moral standards we use. But God says ALL of us are bad and deserve hell, and we can only be made good through Christ who washes away our sins. He alone is salvation, nothing else. So yeah someone who does a lot of good works and looks to be a better person won't go to heaven if they don't know Jesus. Just as someone who was very wicked and bad like a murderer does go to heaven if he decides to choose Jesus. That's the way it is and that's what scripture says.

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But it doesn't. Matt 7:21-23 shows that isn't completely true. You can pull a sentence about "faith" but with other verses showing that God did take in works are still in the bible and can't be ignored. Additionally, as I have said, if you think your scriptural views are correct then it shouldn't be irrational.

Cis.jd said:

But it doesn't. Matt 7:21-23 shows that isn't completely true. You can pull a sentence about "faith" but with other verses showing that God did take in works are still in the bible and can't be ignored. Additionally, as I have said, if you think your scriptural views are correct then it shouldn't be irrational.

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Matthew 7:21-23 talks about religious people who did many WORKS in his name and they won't make it because they thought their works saved them. You must believe in Jesus ALONE to be saved and his finished work, not your works. That's how you get truly born again.

You may think it's not fair, but God is loving and forgiving and he cares about faith not works. A lot of "bad people" will be in heaven, because they chose to come to him in faith, not their performance. That's exactly how God operates. We are saved by grace through faith, not works. You may think it's not fair but that's your human fleshly understanding. God saves those who believe on them, regardless of their works or how "moral" they are. We are only made righteous through Jesus, not our works. A person can donate to charity, not lie, be a very "moral" person but they will still end up in hell if they don't believe in Jesus. Scripture says so and that's the way it is.

The whole point of his free gift of grace is so we can use it to serve him out of love and walk in the new spirit and get sanctified. But you can't do any of that until getting born again, and the way to do that is accept his free gift and believe Jesus died for your sins and his finished work alone. When we are saved we can rest in Christ and do good works by relying on his grace. But without believing on Jesus Christ, you will get destroyed regardless of any good works you do in this life.

Buddhism is a false way. BURN THEM!!

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bhayes said:

Buddhism is a false way. BURN THEM!!

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... is only going to have the effect I mentioned before:

Kerensa said:

You're not going to "stop one person" from becoming Buddhist by burning Buddhist books. You're just going to scream loud and clear to the world that Christianity is a religion that no thoughtful, sensible, compassionate, broad-minded person would want to touch with a bargepole.

Have a think about that. If you seriously believe that all non-Christians are doomed to burn in hell forever just because they didn't accept (your version of) Christianity, that effect of book-burning should get you very worried indeed.

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Cis.jd said:

But it doesn't. Matt 7:21-23 shows that isn't completely true. You can pull a sentence about "faith" but with other verses showing that God did take in works are still in the bible and can't be ignored. Additionally, as I have said, if you think your scriptural views are correct then it shouldn't be irrational.

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Matthew 7:21 says only those who do God's will can enter heaven. So it would be nice to know God's will. 1 Thess. 5 16-18 Says: Rejoice always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
So where's your problem? Is this irrational for you? If it is, maybe you need to read it more than you are doing. If you are going to stand on Matt. 7, then you also need to stand on 1 Thessalonians. Otherwise forget Matt. 7 and read the Buddhist books. You cannot be God's judge. I am sure he says a lot of things you disapprove of, but he didn't bother to consult you or any of us when he wrote it. He just expects us to read and apply it. If you go by his name you are expected to do what he says. If not, then you will be the one going away from him.

Kerensa said:

This...



... is only going to have the effect I mentioned before:

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I am not saying televise you burning it, just go out into the woods and BURN IT!!!!

bhayes said:

I am not saying televise you burning it, just go out into the woods and BURN IT!!!!

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Well, by posting these things in a public internet forum — one that probably gets browsed by non-Christians wanting to know what Christians are like — you are having that effect...

Kerensa said:

Well, by posting these things in a public internet forum — one that probably gets browsed by non-Christians wanting to know what Christians are like — you are having that effect...

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OK. burn it