Boy, have we got it wrong.... (What One Things You Would Do To Improve Our Christian Experience

Gideons300 · Apr 21, 2019

Sometimes it seems that everyone is onboard with how our walks, our lives and our interactions as "the church" are going. Therefore, there is a subtle pressure to accept the status quo. You are not to question the flow, right?

Here is what we have forgotten. A huge silent portion of the church is not satisfied at all with our offerings. Perhaps you are one fo them. If you are, this is a post where I encourage you to let your voice be heard. You never know what type of accord among the brethren might be found, and if nothing else, you will know you are not alone in your yearning for more.

Thanks and I look forward to hearing your thoughts.

Blessings,
Gideon

1stcenturylady · Apr 21, 2019

Gideons300 said:
Sometimes it seems that everyone is onboard with how our walks, our lives and our interactions as "the church" are going. Therefore, there is a subtle pressure to accept the status quo. You are not to question the flow, right?

Here is what we have forgotten. A huge silent portion of the church is not satisfied at all with our offerings. Perhaps you are one fo them. If you are, this is a post where I encourage you to let your voice be heard. You never know what type of accord among the brethren might be found, and if nothing else, you will know you are not alone in your yearning for more.

Thanks and I look forward to hearing your thoughts.

Blessings,
Gideon

For me it would be entering the presence of God - the glory. Others have, and I'm jealous to do the same.

J.P. Zaleta · Apr 21, 2019

Gideons300 said:
Sometimes it seems that everyone is onboard with how our walks, our lives and our interactions as "the church" are going. Therefore, there is a subtle pressure to accept the status quo. You are not to question the flow, right?

Here is what we have forgotten. A huge silent portion of the church is not satisfied at all with our offerings. Perhaps you are one fo them. If you are, this is a post where I encourage you to let your voice be heard. You never know what type of accord among the brethren might be found, and if nothing else, you will know you are not alone in your yearning for more.

Thanks and I look forward to hearing your thoughts.

Blessings,
Gideon

Hi Gideon, Hello all

Yes there is a silent majority, that are the church,
who know in their heart and spirit that there is more to God
than what we are finding, much, much more.

It is our fault, not the fault of the leadership.
We are the only ones responsible for ourselves.

I think we fail because, we think taking responsibility
is to live with the consequences of a wrong action,
when it actually means to take action
that will make a difference in our lives.

We are the only ones that can take action to change our self.
Once we are changed, the entire congregation will have changed,
the effect will ripple…

Simple plan:

1. Ask, why am I in this particular fellowship?
Am I here because if I am not in church on Sunday
it will be off to hell I go, or because I want to experience more of God
in a group setting.

2. Ask, what can I contribute?

3. Make a plan to contribute what you have.

4. Then execute, execute, execute!

Let me know what plan you have to make CF better.

God bless
JP

Mat 15:14

Q: Why don’t the blind go to hell?
A: Because the devil is afraid they’ll step on his tail.
Or, John 9:41

Gideons300 · Apr 21, 2019

1stcenturylady said:
For me it would be entering the presence of God - the glory. Others have, and I'm jealous to do the same.

My dear sister, your answer reminds me of Jesus' words to Martha. Like Mary, you have chosen the better thing... in truth, the only thing.

What we are missing in the present day is knowing Christ, plain and simple. We know about Him. But that was not the promise of the new covenant, was it? We will ALL know Him, from the least to the greatest. Note the order. It is significant, lol.

But until we question why this is, and it bothers us to no end that we are not finding the way to abide in Him, all day, every day, we will find our feet.... and our hearts.... are earthbound. Like servants, we get to occasionally visit Him in the Master's house and feel His presence, perhaps in a moment of illumination reading His Word, or maybe in a powerful worship service. But sadly, at the end of the day, we are found in the servants quarters, not living as children of the king in the master's house.

This is our great lack, church-wide, and all of our efforts have left us tired, religious, lukewarm, still stuck in Romans 7, and lacking the fruit that comes only from abiding in the vine of Christ. Here, true holiness is impossible. Our flesh is still active and in control, and sin and self love rule over us even moreso than our Lord's will for us. That should bring us to tears, but that fact that in most cases it does not reveals how har we have strayed from the Christianity that makes others want what we possess.

All that is about to change. For some, as you note, it already has. But how few they are. True children of the king, myriads of them, are still found under tutors, not yet ready to stand up as overcomers of the world, the flesh and the devil. Prayer closets are hollow and quiet, swords are dull and rusty, and our shields of faith lay in the corner, gathering dust,

How will this scenario, a constant in every denomination on the planet, ever change? God must do it, that much is certain. But do we have a part? Absolutely! We are told that if we draw near unto Him He will reciprocate and draw near to us. If we hunger and thirst for more than just a mansion in Heaven and truly long to be holy as He is holy, we WILL be filled. Do we want that? If not, that fact should fill us with terror. It is time our contentment without godliness is replaced with nothing less than walking in... and on.... the amazing promises of God that He has given us.

The answer is plain before us. It has always been there, but our hearts have not been prepared to hear or see it. The next... no, the LAST..... great move of God is beginnig even now, and the first step will be a hunger and thirst for exactly what you have shared.... Him AND His righteousness.

May God bless you in your pursuit of the walk God has for you. He has prepared a mind-bending walk of abiding in Him.... where we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.... for every single one of us who are part of the elect. His gift to us, actual new natures that can truly be caused to walk in full obedience and total submission to Him, await us.

Listen. We are not as the lame man by the pool waiting for the miraculous stirring of the waters so that we might be healed of our fleshliness. There is no need to wait for anything if our hearts are hungry to walk in His manifest presence.

The answer is simple. We can, by faith alone, put off our carnal old nature and experience the renewing of our mind as the Word clearly promises us. We can, by faith alone, reckon that sin has no more authority over us. We can, by faith that we already possess, put on our new natures that are the direct result of being born anew. But it is time we believed our God.... past time.

There is not one reason why any who read these words cannot do so this very hour and leave their searching and hungering hearts behind forever. And when we yield overselves to God..... as those who are alive from the dead, not as those still in trespasses and sin.... to our amazement, we will find our feet plant on the highway OF holiness. No evil beast is found here. Here our weakness becomes a strength, for we now look to God for everything in our walk.

Why are so few availing themselves of this amazing walk at present? We do not yet hate our old nature. Our hearts do not cry out in our prison of Romans 7, where sin still rears its ugly head and self is, in truth, exalted wven above the Lord we say we serve.We are content to live as old natured men and women, heaven-bound, perhaps, but earthbound in our Spirits.

The next great move will begin with hunger and brokenness. I pray that multitudes respond to the wooing of the Spirit inside them, and rhat blackness qnd persecution and upheaval is not needed to being them to their knees.

All God wants is. for us to admit that our hearts are far from Him and that we do not know how to change. He beseeches us to call upon Him to do it for us,.... to us. And when we do, the mother of all paradigm shifts will occur inside us. Our lamp will be lit and we will never be the same again. Glory!

blessings to you, my hungry sister in the Lord.

Gideon

1stcenturylady · Apr 21, 2019

Gideons300 said:
My dear sister, your answer reminds me of Jesus' words to Martha. Like Mary, you have chosen the better thing... in truth, the only thing.

What we are missing in the present day is knowing Christ, plain and simple. We know about Him. But that was not the promise of the new covenant, was it? We will ALL know Him, from the least to the greatest. Note the order. It is significant, lol.

But until we question why this is, and it bothers us to no end that we are not finding the way to abide in Him, all day, every day, we will find our feet.... and our hearts.... are earthbound. Like servants, we get to occasionally visit Him in the Master's house and feel His presence, perhaps in a moment of illumination reading His Word, or maybe in a powerful worship service. But sadly, at the end of the day, we are found in the servants quarters, not living as children of the king in the master's house.

This is our great lack, church-wide, and all of our efforts have left us tired, religious, lukewarm, still stuck in Romans 7, and lacking the fruit that comes only from abiding in the vine of Christ. Here, true holiness is impossible. Our flesh is still active and in control, and sin and self love rule over us even moreso than our Lord's will for us. That should bring us to tears, but that fact that in most cases it does not reveals how har we have strayed from the Christianity that makes others want what we possess.

All that is about to change. For some, as you note, it already has. But how few they are. True children of the king, myriads of them, are still found under tutors, not yet ready to stand up as overcomers of the world, the flesh and the devil. Prayer closets are hollow and quiet, swords are dull and rusty, and our shields of faith lay in the corner, gathering dust,

How will this scenario, a constant in every denomination on the planet, ever change? God must do it, that much is certain. But do we have a part? Absolutely! We are told that if we draw near unto Him He will reciprocate and draw near to us. If we hunger and thirst for more than just a mansion in Heaven and truly long to be holy as He is holy, we WILL be filled. Do we want that? If not, that fact should fill us with terror. It is time our contentment without godliness is replaced with nothing less than walking in... and on.... the amazing promises of God that He has given us.

The answer is plain before us. It has always been there, but our hearts have not been prepared to hear or see it. The next... no, the LAST..... great move of God is beginnig even now, and the first step will be a hunger and thirst for exactly what you have shared.... Him AND His righteousness.

May God bless you in your pursuit of the walk God has for you. He has prepared a mind-bending walk of abiding in Him.... where we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.... for every single one of us who are part of the elect. His gift to us, actual new natures that can truly be caused to walk in full obedience and total submission to Him, await us.

Listen. We are not as the lame man by the pool waiting for the miraculous stirring of the waters so that we might be healed of our fleshliness. There is no need to wait for anything if our hearts are hungry to walk in His manifest presence.

The answer is simple. We can, by faith alone, put off our carnal old nature and experience the renewing of our mind as the Word clearly promises us. We can, by faith alone, reckon that sin has no more authority over us. We can, by faith that we already possess, put on our new natures that are the direct result of being born anew. But it is time we believed our God.... past time.

There is not one reason why any who read these words cannot do so this very hour and leave their searching and hungering hearts behind forever. And when we yield overselves to God..... as those who are alive from the dead, not as those still in trespasses and sin.... to our amazement, we will find our feet plant on the highway OF holiness. No evil beast is found here. Here our weakness becomes a strength, for we now look to God for everything in our walk.

Why are so few availing themselves of this amazing walk at present? We do not yet hate our old nature. Our hearts do not cry out in our prison of Romans 7, where sin still rears its ugly head and self is, in truth, exalted wven above the Lord we say we serve.We are content to live as old natured men and women, heaven-bound, perhaps, but earthbound in our Spirits.

The next great move will begin with hunger and brokenness. I pray that multitudes respond to the wooing of the Spirit inside them, and rhat blackness qnd persecution and upheaval is not needed to being them to their knees.

All God wants is. for us to admit that our hearts are far from Him and that we do not know how to change. He beseeches us to call upon Him to do it for us,.... to us. And when we do, the mother of all paradigm shifts will occur inside us. Our lamp will be lit and we will never be the same again. Glory!

blessings to you, my hungry sister in the Lord.

Gideon

As always you have thought provoking posts and I hope many will read them on their journey, and not stay stuck at the station.

We've shared many times before, and only slightly differ in doctrine. We are definitely siblings, brother! Not, squabbling siblings, let us reason together.

What you believe will happen after we die, I believe we must have now through the Spirit. What you said was, "Here, true holiness is impossible. Our flesh is still active and in control, and sin and self love rule over us even more so than our Lord's will for us." You see, as Revelation 22:11 says, there will be two groups that will be taken to heaven - the righteous, and the holy. We must be born again of the Spirit of Christ and shed the old nature completely. Romans 6 says we are dead to sin, and Romans 8:1-9 tells us why. But I agree that even with the Spirit, it is a process, which I think you are saying, though you are saying can happen WITH the old nature, therefore before repentance. I don't.

But I was lucky in 1990. I married a man that I reasoned in my head was God's will because he was Pentecostal, and I only wanted God's will in my life, so I kept ignoring the checks to my spirit to not marry him, thinking it was remarriage jitters. No, it was God. I spent the next 12 years in an abusive marriage. I should have left after the first punch 6 mo. after the wedding, but I wouldn't. This suffering caused me to become super-vigilant in obeying every Word out of God's mouth to my spirit, and His Word - so NO divorce, and no leaving him, even if he killed me. Hebrews 5:8. When he finally left me for the wife of his best friend, I never even signed the divorce papers he sent to me. I wanted nothing at all to do with sin, major or minor.

You said, "If we hunger and thirst for more than just a mansion in Heaven and truly long to be holy as He is holy, we WILL be filled." Yes, that is truth, but NOW. When Jesus told us to be perfect, as His Father in heaven is perfect, I don't believe that was pie in the sky, but He would cause us to become perfect now. That is a process. (Trials and suffering help get there.) Paul said he hadn't reached perfection yet, but by his last letter after being in and out of prison many times, he said, "6 For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8 Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing." Paul (or Barnabas) also said of Jesus in the next verse after "8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered," in Hebrews 5:9 "and after being perfected..."

I didn't always believe this, but in the last few years, and especially the last few months, I have come to the realization that we can go in and out of walking in the Spirit, but only those who stay walking in the Spirit and endure to the end, will be saved. You said of some that they are "content to live as old natured men and women, heaven-bound, perhaps, but earthbound in our Spirits." I believe those are the ones Jesus will say to, "I never knew you, you workers of lawlessness."

Jesus said to all the church ages, we must be overcomers. To Thyatira He said, "21 And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. 22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds." Our tribulations and trials are sent by God to cause us to overcome sin, and why James said, "2 My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. 4 But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing."

Gideons300 · Apr 21, 2019

1stcenturylady said:
As always you have thought provoking posts and I hope many will read them on their journey, and not stay stuck at the station.

We've shared many times before, and only slightly differ in doctrine. We are definitely siblings, brother! Not, squabbling siblings, let us reason together.

What you believe will happen after we die, I believe we must have now through the Spirit. What you said was, "Here, true holiness is impossible. Our flesh is still active and in control, and sin and self love rule over us even more so than our Lord's will for us." You see, as Revelation 22:11 says, there will be two groups that will be taken to heaven - the righteous, and the holy. We must be born again of the Spirit of Christ and shed the old nature completely. Romans 6 says we are dead to sin, and Romans 8:1-9 tells us why. But I agree that even with the Spirit, it is a process, which I think you are saying, though you are saying can happen WITH the old nature, therefore before repentance. I don't.

But I was lucky in 1990. I married a man that I reasoned in my head was God's will because he was Pentecostal, and I only wanted God's will in my life, so I kept ignoring the checks to my spirit to not marry him, thinking it was remarriage jitters. No, it was God. I spent the next 12 years in an abusive marriage. I should have left after the first punch 6 mo. after the wedding, but I wouldn't. This suffering caused me to become super-vigilant in obeying every Word out of God's mouth to my spirit, and His Word - so NO divorce, and no leaving him, even if he killed me. Hebrews 5:8. When he finally left me for the wife of his best friend, I never even signed the divorce papers he sent to me. I wanted nothing at all to do with sin, major or minor.

You said, "If we hunger and thirst for more than just a mansion in Heaven and truly long to be holy as He is holy, we WILL be filled." Yes, that is truth, but NOW. When Jesus told us to be perfect, as His Father in heaven is perfect, I don't believe that was pie in the sky, but He would cause us to become perfect now. That is a process. (Trials and suffering help get there.) Paul said he hadn't reached perfection yet, but by his last letter after being in and out of prison many times, he said, "6 For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8 Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing." Paul (or Barnabas) also said of Jesus in the next verse after "8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered," in Hebrews 5:9 "and after being perfected..."

I didn't always believe this, but in the last few years, and especially the last few months, I have come to the realization that we can go in and out of walking in the Spirit, but only those who stay walking in the Spirit and endure to the end, will be saved. You said of some that they are "content to live as old natured men and women, heaven-bound, perhaps, but earthbound in our Spirits." I believe those are the ones Jesus will say to, "I never knew you, you workers of lawlessness."

Jesus said to all the church ages, we must be overcomers. To Thyatira He said, "21 And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. 22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds." Our tribulations and trials are sent by God to cause us to overcome sin, and why James said, "2 My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. 4 But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing."

I want to read your post fully but let me say this to clarify. When I say holiness is impossible, it is only in our mindset of unbelief.

Now it does take death to free us, for sin has us as long as we live, amen? But WHAT death? Physical death or death to our old carnal nature?

Overcoming and walking in victory over the world, the flesh and the devil is our birthright. What good is it to walk in this fashion if there is nothing to overcome in Heaven? I am speaking unequivocally of RIGHT NOW. Jesus purchased this for us and has freely given us all things.

What must transpire, however, is that we accept Jesus' death as OUR death, for it really was. This is reckoning ourselves dead to sin, dead to the old nature, and by faith putting on our new nature that we as true Christians possess but have unfortunately never put on.....yet.

Paul said that if in this life only we have hope in Jesus Christ, we are of all men most miserable. But may I suggest the opposite is true as well? Our Christianity is meant to change us, to free us, to make us overcomers right here, right now in this life. How many there are who have experienced little if any real manifesting the nature of Jesus or the FREE INDEED that He promised us.... in THIS life! That is all about to change. Glory!

We (collectively) are about to be awakened to the truth of who we are in Him. Religious Christianity is about to come face to face with LIFE. Tares will say "the old is better" but the wheat? The true sheep of God? They will, to their own amazement, embrace the truth as THEIR truth and rise up with wings as eagles. They shall run and not be weary. They will walk and NOT faint. We are about to discover what the saints possessed in the book of Acts. Why? We have a wedding to be prepared for!

blessings, dear sister

Gids

J.P. Zaleta · Apr 21, 2019

1stcenturylady said:
As always you have thought provoking posts and I hope many will read them on their journey, and not stay stuck at the station.

We've shared many times before, and only slightly differ in doctrine. We are definitely siblings, brother! Not, squabbling siblings, let us reason together.

What you believe will happen after we die, I believe we must have now through the Spirit. What you said was, "Here, true holiness is impossible. Our flesh is still active and in control, and sin and self love rule over us even more so than our Lord's will for us." You see, as Revelation 22:11 says, there will be two groups that will be taken to heaven - the righteous, and the holy. We must be born again of the Spirit of Christ and shed the old nature completely. Romans 6 says we are dead to sin, and Romans 8:1-9 tells us why. But I agree that even with the Spirit, it is a process, which I think you are saying, though you are saying can happen WITH the old nature, therefore before repentance. I don't.

But I was lucky in 1990. I married a man that I reasoned in my head was God's will because he was Pentecostal, and I only wanted God's will in my life, so I kept ignoring the checks to my spirit to not marry him, thinking it was remarriage jitters. No, it was God. I spent the next 12 years in an abusive marriage. I should have left after the first punch 6 mo. after the wedding, but I wouldn't. This suffering caused me to become super-vigilant in obeying every Word out of God's mouth to my spirit, and His Word - so NO divorce, and no leaving him, even if he killed me. Hebrews 5:8. When he finally left me for the wife of his best friend, I never even signed the divorce papers he sent to me. I wanted nothing at all to do with sin, major or minor.

You said, "If we hunger and thirst for more than just a mansion in Heaven and truly long to be holy as He is holy, we WILL be filled." Yes, that is truth, but NOW. When Jesus told us to be perfect, as His Father in heaven is perfect, I don't believe that was pie in the sky, but He would cause us to become perfect now. That is a process. (Trials and suffering help get there.) Paul said he hadn't reached perfection yet, but by his last letter after being in and out of prison many times, he said, "6 For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8 Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing." Paul (or Barnabas) also said of Jesus in the next verse after "8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered," in Hebrews 5:9 "and after being perfected..."

I didn't always believe this, but in the last few years, and especially the last few months, I have come to the realization that we can go in and out of walking in the Spirit, but only those who stay walking in the Spirit and endure to the end, will be saved. You said of some that they are "content to live as old natured men and women, heaven-bound, perhaps, but earthbound in our Spirits." I believe those are the ones Jesus will say to, "I never knew you, you workers of lawlessness."

Jesus said to all the church ages, we must be overcomers. To Thyatira He said, "21 And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. 22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds." Our tribulations and trials are sent by God to cause us to overcome sin, and why James said, "2 My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. 4 But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing."

Gideons300 said:
I want to read your post fully but let me say this to clarify. When I say holiness is impossible, it is only in our mindset of unbelief.

Now it does take death to free us, for sin has us as long as we live, amen? But WHAT death? Physical death or death to our old carnal nature?

Overcoming and walking in victory over the world, the flesh and the devil is our birthright. What good is it to walk in this fashion if there is nothing to overcome in Heaven? I am speaking unequivocally of RIGHT NOW. Jesus purchased this for us and has freely given us all things.

What must transpire, however, is that we accept Jesus' death as OUR death, for it really was. This is reckoning ourselves dead to sin, dead to the old nature, and by faith putting on our new nature that we as true Christians possess but have unfortunately never put on.....yet.

Paul said that if in this life only we have hope in Jesus Christ, we are of all men most miserable. But may I suggest the opposite is true as well? Our Christianity is meant to change us, to free us, to make us overcomers right here, right now in this life. How many there are who have experienced little if any real manifesting the nature of Jesus or the FREE INDEED that He promised us.... in THIS life! That is all about to change. Glory!

We (collectively) are about to be awakened to the truth of who we are in Him. Religious Christianity is about to come face to face with LIFE. Tares will say "the old is better" but the wheat? The true sheep of God? They will, to their own amazement, embrace the truth as THEIR truth and rise up with wings as eagles. They shall run and not be weary. They will walk and NOT faint. We are about to discover what the saints possessed in the book of Acts. Why? We have a wedding to be prepared for!

blessings, dear sister

Gids

1stcenturylady said:
As always you have thought provoking posts and I hope many will read them on their journey, and not stay stuck at the station.

We've shared many times before, and only slightly differ in doctrine. We are definitely siblings, brother! Not, squabbling siblings, let us reason together.

What you believe will happen after we die, I believe we must have now through the Spirit. What you said was, "Here, true holiness is impossible. Our flesh is still active and in control, and sin and self love rule over us even more so than our Lord's will for us." You see, as Revelation 22:11 says, there will be two groups that will be taken to heaven - the righteous, and the holy. We must be born again of the Spirit of Christ and shed the old nature completely. Romans 6 says we are dead to sin, and Romans 8:1-9 tells us why. But I agree that even with the Spirit, it is a process, which I think you are saying, though you are saying can happen WITH the old nature, therefore before repentance. I don't.

But I was lucky in 1990. I married a man that I reasoned in my head was God's will because he was Pentecostal, and I only wanted God's will in my life, so I kept ignoring the checks to my spirit to not marry him, thinking it was remarriage jitters. No, it was God. I spent the next 12 years in an abusive marriage. I should have left after the first punch 6 mo. after the wedding, but I wouldn't. This suffering caused me to become super-vigilant in obeying every Word out of God's mouth to my spirit, and His Word - so NO divorce, and no leaving him, even if he killed me. Hebrews 5:8. When he finally left me for the wife of his best friend, I never even signed the divorce papers he sent to me. I wanted nothing at all to do with sin, major or minor.

You said, "If we hunger and thirst for more than just a mansion in Heaven and truly long to be holy as He is holy, we WILL be filled." Yes, that is truth, but NOW. When Jesus told us to be perfect, as His Father in heaven is perfect, I don't believe that was pie in the sky, but He would cause us to become perfect now. That is a process. (Trials and suffering help get there.) Paul said he hadn't reached perfection yet, but by his last letter after being in and out of prison many times, he said, "6 For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8 Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing." Paul (or Barnabas) also said of Jesus in the next verse after "8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered," in Hebrews 5:9 "and after being perfected..."

I didn't always believe this, but in the last few years, and especially the last few months, I have come to the realization that we can go in and out of walking in the Spirit, but only those who stay walking in the Spirit and endure to the end, will be saved. You said of some that they are "content to live as old natured men and women, heaven-bound, perhaps, but earthbound in our Spirits." I believe those are the ones Jesus will say to, "I never knew you, you workers of lawlessness."

Jesus said to all the church ages, we must be overcomers. To Thyatira He said, "21 And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. 22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds." Our tribulations and trials are sent by God to cause us to overcome sin, and why James said, "2 My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. 4 But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing."

Hi Gideon, 1stcenturylady, Hello all

We are all blind, experiencing only the small part we are holding on to.
We're willing to fight to the point of death,
attacking our brethren mercilessly to defend that small part.

We need to give it up… Learn from our brethren,
see things from their perspective. Because we are all one in Christ.

I think the biggest problem
that is hindering our experiencing God's presence, all the time
is that we refuse to choose in our mind His perspective.
Our fleshy part is seeing the sin
which is what we are supposed to be seeing in the flesh.

But Paul says, that even though he sees the sin working in His flesh
He chooses to serve the Lord with his mind.
Which would be seeing, "all," as knowing the Lord,
from the least to the greatest and treating them as we would treat Jesus.
Esteeming them as greater than ourselves

Romans 7:25 (KJV)

"I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."

Let me know what you think.

God bless
JP

Gideons300 · Apr 21, 2019

Paul said that we are not in the flesh but in the Spirit. He said we owe the flesh nothing. He then tells us to yield ourselves to God as those who are alive from the dead.

If we have not openly reckoned our old man as dead, not rather still in need of dying, we will find rhat even though we possess new natures, our unbelief in the truth keeps us bound to our carnal nature. The flesh will always, push come to shove, choose its way over God's.

There is but one solution. We must hate that old man we were and admit that nothing good is found there. Our hope is in our new natures, and to our amazement, when we put them on by faith, we discover we can say no to satan, no matter the strength of the temptation. We can, we will, we DO keep our eyes singly on the Lord, praise God.

What I share here is not theory. Nor is it a carefully woven mix of texts to make the points I make. Twelve years ago, at my lowest, bound by sin I am even now embarrassed to speak of, God appeared to me and opened my eyes to what I share. This was not a vision, nor an experience. God manifestly appeared to me and spoke to me what I have now been sharing here for the past many years.

The entire church, by and large, is still walking in unbelief as to who Christ has made them. Thus, they have given Satan a huge opening to attack and to wear down the saints. But in these last days, God is awakening His own and causibg them to light their lamps. They will become overcomers, but this will not happen until they mix the blood of the Lamb with the words of their testimony.

And when the saints, desperate to walk pleasing to Him and knowing that in themselves, they cannot love as He loves, or resist the temptation to sin, or to stop loving self more than others, fall on their faces and cry out in one accord "I believe! Help thou my unbelief!", to their delight and amazement, God will open up the windows of Heaven and cause them to walk as obedient joy-filled children.

Blessings,

Gideon

1stcenturylady · Apr 21, 2019

Gideons300 said:
What must transpire, however, is that we accept Jesus' death as OUR death, for it really was. This is reckoning ourselves dead to sin, dead to the old nature, and by faith putting on our new nature that we as true Christians possess but have unfortunately never put on.....yet.

Okay, I was following you until the last "but have unfortunately never put on....yet." Can you explain who is unfortunate, and what you mean by "yet"? Are the unfortunate, saved? Is yet, coming before we die, or in heaven?

Gideons300 said:
Paul said that if in this life only we have hope in Jesus Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

You do know don't you that Paul meant IF Christ never rose from the dead, then it is all just a fairytale, and THEN "we would be of all men most miserable" to believe in a future resurrection that will never happen.

Gideons300 said:
But may I suggest the opposite is true as well? Our Christianity is meant to change us, to free us, to make us overcomers right here, right now in this life. How many there are who have experienced little if any real manifesting the nature of Jesus or the FREE INDEED that He promised us.... in THIS life!

Right! Christ DID rise from the dead, and there WILL BE a resurrection from the dead. It is NOT all a fairytale. Through the New Covenant of the ministry of the Spirit, He will perfect us - NOW.

Gideons300 said:
That is all about to change. Glory!

Are you talking about in this next revival - awakening of more of the presence of God - His Glory? Or are you talking about changing further in heaven? I seem to be getting mixed messages, or it could be my interpretation of what you are saying. For instance, you said, "Overcoming and walking in victory over the world, the flesh and the devil is our birthright. What good is it to walk in this fashion if there is nothing to overcome in Heaven?" What exactly will there be to overcome in Heaven? I'm confused. Then your next sentence you said, "I am speaking unequivocally of RIGHT NOW. Jesus purchased this for us and has freely given us all things." This I can agree with whole-heartedly!

Gideons300 said:
We (collectively) are about to be awakened to the truth of who we are in Him. Religious Christianity is about to come face to face with LIFE. Tares will say "the old is better" but the wheat? The true sheep of God? They will, to their own amazement, embrace the truth as THEIR truth and rise up with wings as eagles. They shall run and not be weary. They will walk and NOT faint. We are about to discover what the saints possessed in the book of Acts. Why? We have a wedding to be prepared for!

Amen!

1stcenturylady · Apr 21, 2019

J.P. Zaleta said:
Hi Gideon, 1stcenturylady, Hello all

View attachment 255134

We are all blind, experiencing only the small part we are holding on to.
We're willing to fight to the point of death,
attacking our brethren mercilessly to defend that small part.

We need to give it up… Learn from our brethren,
see things from their perspective. Because we are all one in Christ.

I think the biggest problem
that is hindering our experiencing God's presence, all the time
is that we refuse to choose in our mind His perspective.
Our fleshy part is seeing the sin
which is what we are supposed to be seeing in the flesh.

But Paul says, that even though he sees the sin working in His flesh
He chooses to serve the Lord with his mind.
Which would be seeing, "all," as knowing the Lord,
from the least to the greatest and treating them as we would treat Jesus.
Esteeming them as greater than ourselves

Romans 7:25 (KJV)

"I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."

Let me know what you think.

God bless
JP

Welcome brother! I would say most people are taught that Romans 7 is our struggle as Christians. But Christ took away the "struggle" by giving us power. In context, when Paul used first person in Romans 7, he was not talking about himself as a Spirit-filled Christian, but as he used to be as a Pharisee UNDER the Law, where many are still, never having truly repented and received the Holy Spirit. Read Romans 7 in context with Romans 8. You will see Paul is comparing the Old Covenant of trying to keep the LAW with your carnal flesh full of sin of Romans 7, verses the New Covenant of being born again of the Spirit of Christ, where we are NO LONGER IN THE CARNAL FLESH but in the Spirit, AND ARE DEAD TO SIN (Romans 6:2).

Gideons300 · Apr 21, 2019

1stcenturylady said:
Okay, I was following you until the last "but have unfortunately never put on....yet." Can you explain who is unfortunate, and what you mean by "yet"? Are the unfortunate, saved? Is yet, coming before we die, or in heaven?

You do know don't you that Paul meant IF Christ never rose from the dead, then it is all just a fairytale, and THEN "we would be of all men most miserable" to believe in a future resurrection that will never happen.

Right! Christ DID rise from the dead, and there WILL BE a resurrection from the dead. It is NOT all a fairytale. Through the New Covenant of the ministry of the Spirit, He will perfect us - NOW.

Are you talking about in this next revival - awakening of more of the presence of God - His Glory? Or are you talking about changing further in heaven? I seem to be getting mixed messages, or it could be my interpretation of what you are saying. For instance, you said, "Overcoming and walking in victory over the world, the flesh and the devil is our birthright. What good is it to walk in this fashion if there is nothing to overcome in Heaven?" What exactly will there be to overcome in Heaven? I'm confused. Then your next sentence you said, "I am speaking unequivocally of RIGHT NOW. Jesus purchased this for us and has freely given us all things." This I can agree with whole-heartedly!

Amen!

LOL. I must be the world's worst communicator. Let me see if I can clarify.

Right now, as a whole, the "church" as we know it is made up of wheat and tares, growing together. With few exceptions, concerning the wheat, pretty much all are asleep, unaware of who they are. Even though they ARE new creatures, the elect of God, their shields of faith are not raised and they walk in such a low level of faith that yuo can hardly tell the wheat from the tares.

This coming awakening is not what we would term a "revival". It will not be localized. It will not be denominational specific. It will not be man-led. It will simply be God opening eyes, ears and hearts to His voice, calling them to BE rather than to DO.

Thus I use the term "unfortunate" concerning these because they are ignorant of their new nature. It is theirs.... they possess it, but as yet it (Him) does not yet possess them. And because the promises of God are not embraced and believed, they live with defeat and self still ruling the roost.

Because of this, they walk out their faith compromised, earthly minded, dallying in sin because they think grace makes it all ok, or that forgiveness is the beat God can do. Sin has not yet become exceedingly sinful to us, and we still believe we are dual natured.... the old black dog and white dog analogy. What we do not get.... yet.... is that we ARE dead and our life is hid with God in Christ.

But as the awakening takes hold, one by one, like popcorn popping to a crescendo of joyful praise, the church will arise from the ashes of religious head knowledge and BE the church we are called to be. They will light their lamps by their testimony of who they are at their core and the world will stand. amazed. Here is where the heathen shall know that Our God is the true God, for they will see Him sanctified IN US before their very eyes.

But what of the tares? They will be like the Pharisees, loving their form of godliness that can never change them inside. And when the cost of following Christ is presented to them with unwavering clarity, that we must hate.... and lose our old nature, they will fall away. This will be rhe GREAT falling away.

I hope this all makes sense.

blessings,

Gids

1stcenturylady · Apr 21, 2019

Gideons300 said:
LOL. I must be the world's worst communicator. Let me see if I can clarify.

Could be

LOL

I'm answering one paragraph or more at a time.

Gideons300 said:
Right now, as a whole, the "church" as we know it is made up of wheat and tares, growing together. With few exceptions, concerning the wheat, pretty much all are asleep, unaware of who they are. Even though they ARE new creatures, the elect of God, their shields of faith are not raised and they walk in such a low level of faith that yuo can hardly tell the wheat from the tares.

Hmmmm. I always thought that the wheat and tares were the saved and the unsaved of mankind, not that they were both in the Church, though some unsaved believe they are saved. As far as your last sentence here, the unsaved lovers of sin inside the Church are no different than unsaved heathens, and both are tares, and do not resemble the wheat at all.

Gideons300 said:
This coming awakening is not what we would term a "revival". It will not be localized. It will not be denominational specific. It will not be man-led. It will simply be God opening eyes, ears and hearts to His voice, calling them to BE rather than to DO.

I'm really not clear on where you find this in scripture. Can you show me. Many are talking about this, but I don't know where they are getting this before the second coming and the Millennium. What I've believed is this 'eye-opening' will be the last seven years when the partial blindness of national Jews will happen, and all Israel will be saved. Romans 11. But the beginning of that point will be the end of any further Gentiles coming into the Church. Any Gentiles that haven't believed will have a strong delusion placed on them by God. 2 Thes. 2:9-12. It will be time for the rest of the living Jews to come into the Church. Unlike some who also see the last seven years are for the Jews, I see One Church, not a Gentile Church that gets raptured at the beginning of the last seven years (or 3 1/2), then a Jewish Church. I'm not pre-trib.

Gideons300 said:
Thus I use the term "unfortunate" concerning these because they are ignorant of their new nature. It is theirs.... they possess it, but as yet it (Him) does not yet possess them. And because the promises of God are not embraced and believed, they live with defeat and self still ruling the roost.

Because of this, they walk out their faith compromised, earthly minded, dallying in sin because they think grace makes it all ok, or that forgiveness is the beat God can do. Sin has not yet become exceedingly sinful to us, and we still believe we are dual natured.... the old black dog and white dog analogy. What we do not get.... yet.... is that we ARE dead and our life is hid with God in Christ.

I don't know how you could miss a new nature if you've been given one. It is not by faith in the unseen. You KNOW it! It changes you immediately. Yes, there is still growing the fruit of the Spirit to maturity, and mistakes will be made, but you've been given power over willful sins of lawlessness, and never have any desire to commit them, 1 John 3:9. That is why I see the "unfortunate" as ignorant of how to become truly saved in the first place, that it takes repentance of all sin, knowing that there is no way for you to be good on your own (the Romans 7 experience), and ask Jesus to cleanse you of all desire to sin so you can live righteously, and be free indeed. John 8:34-36. In the meantime, the unsaved inside the Church are learning, and the Spirit could be drawing them to full repentance where victory awaits.

Gideons300 said:
But as the awakening takes hold, one by one, like popcorn popping to a crescendo of joyful praise, the church will arise from the ashes of religious head knowledge and BE the church we are called to be. They will light their lamps by their testimony of who they are at their core and the world will stand. amazed. Here is where the heathen shall know that Our God is the true God, for they will see Him sanctified IN US before their very eyes.

Again, I'd like to see scripturally when this happens.

Gideons300 said:
But what of the tares? They will be like the Pharisees, loving their form of godliness that can never change them inside. And when the cost of following Christ is presented to them with unwavering clarity, that we must hate.... and lose our old nature, they will fall away. This will be rhe GREAT falling away.

Yes, I believe the falling away will be from inside the Church, but I'm not sure they were ever filled with the Holy Spirit and belonged to Christ (Romans 8:9) in the first place. At least, I could never imagine falling away, but don't know if all Spirit-filled believers will endure to the end, or some could someday fall away. As we see in Revelation 2 and 3, even the Laodecians are called a "church" but Jesus is on the outside of the door knocking. That is an unsaved church.

Just so you know, not many people agree with my beliefs, even in Pentecostal circles. My beliefs may be a little extreme for some, but that's what I see in the Word, and will go with it, until someone can show me differently.

Don't forget, I want to see more scripture on this upcoming (or already started) spiritual awakening that some are calling, the glory.

God bless,

lady

J.P. Zaleta · Apr 22, 2019

1stcenturylady said:
Could be LOL

I'm answering one paragraph or more at a time.

Hmmmm. I always thought that the wheat and tares were the saved and the unsaved of mankind, not that they were both in the Church, though some unsaved believe they are saved. As far as your last sentence here, the unsaved lovers of sin inside the Church are no different than unsaved heathens, and both are tares, and do not resemble the wheat at all.

I'm really not clear on where you find this in scripture. Can you show me. Many are talking about this, but I don't know where they are getting this before the second coming and the Millennium. What I've believed is this 'eye-opening' will be the last seven years when the partial blindness of national Jews will happen, and all Israel will be saved. Romans 11. But the beginning of that point will be the end of any further Gentiles coming into the Church. Any Gentiles that haven't believed will have a strong delusion placed on them by God. 2 Thes. 2:9-12. It will be time for the rest of the living Jews to come into the Church. Unlike some who also see the last seven years are for the Jews, I see One Church, not a Gentile Church that gets raptured at the beginning of the last seven years (or 3 1/2), then a Jewish Church. I'm not pre-trib.

I don't know how you could miss a new nature if you've been given one. It is not by faith in the unseen. You KNOW it! It changes you immediately. Yes, there is still growing the fruit of the Spirit to maturity, and mistakes will be made, but you've been given power over willful sins of lawlessness, and never have any desire to commit them, 1 John 3:9. That is why I see the "unfortunate" as ignorant of how to become truly saved in the first place, that it takes repentance of all sin, knowing that there is no way for you to be good on your own (the Romans 7 experience), and ask Jesus to cleanse you of all desire to sin so you can live righteously, and be free indeed. John 8:34-36. In the meantime, the unsaved inside the Church are learning, and the Spirit could be drawing them to full repentance where victory awaits.

Again, I'd like to see scripturally when this happens.

Yes, I believe the falling away will be from inside the Church, but I'm not sure they were ever filled with the Holy Spirit and belonged to Christ (Romans 8:9) in the first place. At least, I could never imagine falling away, but don't know if all Spirit-filled believers will endure to the end, or some could someday fall away. As we see in Revelation 2 and 3, even the Laodecians are called a "church" but Jesus is on the outside of the door knocking. That is an unsaved church.

Just so you know, not many people agree with my beliefs, even in Pentecostal circles. My beliefs may be a little extreme for some, but that's what I see in the Word, and will go with it, until someone can show me differently.

Don't forget, I want to see more scripture on this upcoming (of already started) spiritual awakening that some are calling, the glory.

God bless,

lady

Gideons300 · Apr 22, 2019

1stcenturylady said:
Could be LOL

I'm answering one paragraph or more at a time.

Hmmmm. I always thought that the wheat and tares were the saved and the unsaved of mankind, not that they were both in the Church, though some unsaved believe they are saved. As far as your last sentence here, the unsaved lovers of sin inside the Church are no different than unsaved heathens, and both are tares, and do not resemble the wheat at all.

Me- There is a difference between someone who loves their sin and refuses to give it up, and someone who finds themselves in Romans 7, doing what they hate and unable to do what they long to do.

We must be careful not to be too quick to assume all who are caught in the grip of sin must be unsaved. I believe many are simply sheep who have been led into pastures that have left them weak. Think for a minute. Have the sheep been taught HOW to overcome sin? HOW to bring every thought unto the obedience of Christ? Sadly, that is our great lack and what is about to be addressed by God Himself.

Truthfully, right now it is almost impossible to differentiate the wheat from the tares inside the church. But all will be awakened. Yet only the wheat shall respond and light their lamps.

******

I'm really not clear on where you find this in scripture. Can you show me. Many are talking about this, but I don't know where they are getting this before the second coming and the Millennium. What I've believed is this 'eye-opening' will be the last seven years when the partial blindness of national Jews will happen, and all Israel will be saved. Romans 11. But the beginning of that point will be the end of any further Gentiles coming into the Church. Any Gentiles that haven't believed will have a strong delusion placed on them by God. 2 Thes. 2:9-12. It will be time for the rest of the living Jews to come into the Church. Unlike some who also see the last seven years are for the Jews, I see One Church, not a Gentile Church that gets raptured at the beginning of the last seven years (or 3 1/2), then a Jewish Church. I'm not pre-trib.

Me- The main scriptures are in the parables and the old testament. The parable of the 10 virgins is critical in our understanding. Until we "get" what 'lighting our lamp' is, it is an easily overlooked part of scripture.

The early and latter rains are important as well. Pentecost was the early rain, followed by 1900 years of dry weather, with but a few intermittent showers to keep the crop alive. Ahhh, but the harvest is coming! When many in the church are called to ready themselves, they will be too busy with the affairs of this life and prove in tbe end that they were tares. But at the same time, a huge harvest of the lost who are the weak, the poor, the lame, the homeless, the addicts and the prostitutes will respond to the truth that sets them free indeed. We will have come full circle, for in Jesus' day, the religious loved their life, and Jesus found the outcasts of this life far more responsive to His message. And so shall it be again.

*****

I don't know how you could miss a new nature if you've been given one. It is not by faith in the unseen. You KNOW it! It changes you immediately. Yes, there is still growing the fruit of the Spirit to maturity, and mistakes will be made, but you've been given power over willful sins of lawlessness, and never have any desire to commit them, 1 John 3:9. That is why I see the "unfortunate" as ignorant of how to become truly saved in the first place, that it takes repentance of all sin, knowing that there is no way for you to be good on your own (the Romans 7 experience), and ask Jesus to cleanse you of all desire to sin so you can live righteously, and be free indeed. John 8:34-36. In the meantime, the unsaved inside the Church are learning, and the Spirit could be drawing them to full repentance where victory awaits.

Me- What? LOL? Do you realize how many there are of the elect of God who are still laboring under the schoolmaster.... self effort and the law? They were given new natures the day they were saved. Their old flesh was dead from day one. But they have yet to learn that faith is what makes these two truths real. This is what we as a whole are being awakened to!

*******

Again, I'd like to see scripturally when this happens.

Yes, I believe the falling away will be from inside the Church, but I'm not sure they were ever filled with the Holy Spirit and belonged to Christ (Romans 8:9) in the first place. At least, I could never imagine falling away, but don't know if all Spirit-filled believers will endure to the end, or some could someday fall away. As we see in Revelation 2 and 3, even the Laodecians are called a "church" but Jesus is on the outside of the door knocking. That is an unsaved church.

Me- The Laocedian church was most definitely in dire straights and in danger of not making Heaven their home. Enduring to the end is proof that we are the elect. In the parable of the sower, on some ground, the seed fell and sprouted. It was good seed. It sprang to real life. But for one of several reasons, it did not endure to the end and produce fruit.

*****

Just so you know, not many people agree with my beliefs, even in Pentecostal circles. My beliefs may be a little extreme for some, but that's what I see in the Word, and will go with it, until someone can show me differently.

Don't forget, I want to see more scripture on this upcoming (or already started) spiritual awakening that some are calling, the glory.

Me- The best scripture as to our awakening is found in Ezekiel 36. This is when the heathen will know that He is the Lord when He shall be sanctified in us before their very eyes. This occurred in the book of Acts and will again during the harvest.

I believe there are multitudes outside of the organized church right now who are part of the elect, Rhey simply have not seen Christ in the lives of Christians and who can blame them for not wanting what we are selling? All rhat is about to change, and in the end, just as Ezekiel 36 tells us, men will exclaim "Look! That which bore only briars and thorns has become again like the garden of Eden!

Glory! Hope this helps a bit.

Gideon

God bless,

lady

Gideons300 · Apr 22, 2019

1stcenturylady said:
Could be LOL

I'm answering one paragraph or more at a time.

Hmmmm. I always thought that the wheat and tares were the saved and the unsaved of mankind, not that they were both in the Church, though some unsaved believe they are saved. As far as your last sentence here, the unsaved lovers of sin inside the Church are no different than unsaved heathens, and both are tares, and do not resemble the wheat at all.

Me- There is a difference between someone who loves their sin and refuses to give it up, and someone who finds themselves in Romans 7, doing what they hate and unable to do what they long to do.

We must be careful not to be too quick to assume all who are caught in the grip of sin must be unsaved. I believe many are simply sheep who have been led into pastures that have left them weak. Think for a minute. Have the sheep been taught HOW to overcome sin? HOW to bring every thought unto the obedience of Christ? Sadly, that is our great lack and what is about to be addressed by God Himself.

Truthfully, right now it is almost impossible to differentiate the wheat from the tares inside the church. But all will be awakened. Yet only the wheat shall respond and light their lamps.

******

I'm really not clear on where you find this in scripture. Can you show me. Many are talking about this, but I don't know where they are getting this before the second coming and the Millennium. What I've believed is this 'eye-opening' will be the last seven years when the partial blindness of national Jews will happen, and all Israel will be saved. Romans 11. But the beginning of that point will be the end of any further Gentiles coming into the Church. Any Gentiles that haven't believed will have a strong delusion placed on them by God. 2 Thes. 2:9-12. It will be time for the rest of the living Jews to come into the Church. Unlike some who also see the last seven years are for the Jews, I see One Church, not a Gentile Church that gets raptured at the beginning of the last seven years (or 3 1/2), then a Jewish Church. I'm not pre-trib.

I don't know how you could miss a new nature if you've been given one. It is not by faith in the unseen. You KNOW it! It changes you immediately. Yes, there is still growing the fruit of the Spirit to maturity, and mistakes will be made, but you've been given power over willful sins of lawlessness, and never have any desire to commit them, 1 John 3:9. That is why I see the "unfortunate" as ignorant of how to become truly saved in the first place, that it takes repentance of all sin, knowing that there is no way for you to be good on your own (the Romans 7 experience), and ask Jesus to cleanse you of all desire to sin so you can live righteously, and be free indeed. John 8:34-36. In the meantime, the unsaved inside the Church are learning, and the Spirit could be drawing them to full repentance where victory awaits.

Again, I'd like to see scripturally when this happens.

Yes, I believe the falling away will be from inside the Church, but I'm not sure they were ever filled with the Holy Spirit and belonged to Christ (Romans 8:9) in the first place. At least, I could never imagine falling away, but don't know if all Spirit-filled believers will endure to the end, or some could someday fall away. As we see in Revelation 2 and 3, even the Laodecians are called a "church" but Jesus is on the outside of the door knocking. That is an unsaved church.

Just so you know, not many people agree with my beliefs, even in Pentecostal circles. My beliefs may be a little extreme for some, but that's what I see in the Word, and will go with it, until someone can show me differently.

Don't forget, I want to see more scripture on this upcoming (or already started) spiritual awakening that some are calling, the glory.

God bless,

lady

1stcenturylady · Apr 22, 2019

@Gideons300

Gideon - There is a difference between someone who loves their sin and refuses to give it up, and someone who finds themselves in Romans 7, doing what they hate and unable to do what they long to do.

We must be careful not to be too quick to assume all who are caught in the grip of sin must be unsaved. I believe many are simply sheep who have been led into pastures that have left them weak. Think for a minute. Have the sheep been taught HOW to overcome sin? HOW to bring every thought unto the obedience of Christ? Sadly, that is our great lack and what is about to be addressed by God Himself.

Truthfully, right now it is almost impossible to differentiate the wheat from the tares inside the church. But all will be awakened. Yet only the wheat shall respond and light their lamps.

Gideon, I was in that position since I was born in 1947 for 30 years, but it wasn't until I repented in 1977 that I was filled with the Spirit, and there was NO MORE ROMANS 7 STRUGGLE. Don't you get that? I wasn't saved. And neither is anyone trying to keep the law with their old man still alive. They MUST be born again of the Spirit of Christ or they don't belong to Christ.This serious flaw in doctrine that the Reformationists, whose doctrine of we all sin, has infiltrated the whole church, is going to send millions to hell! And that is why Jesus will say to them, "I never knew you."

Me- What? LOL? Do you realize how many there are of the elect of God who are still laboring under the schoolmaster.... self effort and the law? They were given new natures the day they were saved. Their old flesh was dead from day one. But they have yet to learn that faith is what makes these two truths real. This is what we as a whole are being awakened to!

Again, they are not saved if they are laboring/struggling under the schoolmaster! Yes, it is self effort and the law, but NOT OF THE SPIRIT! So they don't belong to Christ, because they haven't truly repented! They must be born again of the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, or they don't belong to Christ. Romans 8:9.

Me- The best scripture as to our awakening is found in Ezekiel 36. This is when the heathen will know that He is the Lord when He shall be sanctified in us before their very eyes. This occurred in the book of Acts and will again during the harvest.

I believe there are multitudes outside of the organized church right now who are part of the elect, Rhey simply have not seen Christ in the lives of Christians and who can blame them for not wanting what we are selling? All rhat is about to change, and in the end, just as Ezekiel 36 tells us, men will exclaim "Look! That which bore only briars and thorns has become again like the garden of Eden!

Glory! Hope this helps a bit.

Thanks. No wonder I couldn't find it. I wasn't looking in the OT.

J.P. Zaleta · Apr 22, 2019

Hello, Lady, Gideon and all

You asked what is the scriptural evidence
of this revival. I'd say the entire
New Testament.

How so? Revival is when people come out
of their past dead beliefs
and see what God is doing
with wide eyed wonderment!
It's growing in grace and knowledge.

Is there a history of this happening
in NT? Yes. At first they saw it as
"us 120, us band of brothers."

Then HS came and the revival began
for Israel. After a short time
it went to the Gentiles.

Then the Judaizers got control stopping it
for the Jews, but it still flourished
among the gentiles.

Tangent: Look at the changing understanding
about circumcision, and meat sacrificed to idols

But now, what evidence is there specifically?...
I'd say it's, more and more people
speaking, proclaiming, believing,
the completed work of the cross,
which allowed us to be in the new covenant
with Him.

The new covenant which is:
I will put my law [instructions] in their minds
and hearts…I will be their God
and they will be my people. That's the good news.

It is the simplicity we now have in Christ.

Heb 10:16, 8:8, Jer 31:33-34
It says "will" because Hebrews is quoting Jeremiah.

The time of this new covenant beginning
was on the first resurrection Sunday.
I believe. It won't happen in the future
because it already has.

If what I've just said is not a good summary
of the good news then what would be better?

Even if the new covenant has not as yet
been entered into…God calls things that are not
as if they were and I think He wants us
to proclaim that good news.

God bless
JP

1stcenturylady · Apr 22, 2019

J.P. Zaleta said:
Hello, Lady, Gideon and all

You asked what is the scriptural evidence
of this revival. I'd say the entire
New Testament.

How so? Revival is when people come out
of their past dead beliefs
and see what God is doing
with wide eyed wonderment!
It's growing in grace and knowledge.

Is there a history of this happening
in NT? Yes. At first they saw it as
"us 120, us band of brothers."

Then HS came and the revival began
for Israel. After a short time
it went to the Gentiles.

Then the Judaizers got control stopping it
for the Jews, but it still flourished
among the gentiles.

Tangent: Look at the changing understanding
about circumcision, and meat sacrificed to idols

But now, what evidence is there specifically?...
I'd say it's, more and more people
speaking, proclaiming, believing,
the completed work of the cross,
which allowed us to be in the new covenant
with Him.

The new covenant which is:
I will put my law [instructions] in their minds
and hearts…I will be their God
and they will be my people. That's the good news.

It is the simplicity we now have in Christ.

Heb 10:16, 8:8, Jer 31:33-34
It says "will" because Hebrews is quoting Jeremiah.

The time of this new covenant beginning
was on the first resurrection Sunday.
I believe. It won't happen in the future
because it already has.

If what I've just said is not a good summary
of the good news then what would be better?

Even if the new covenant has not as yet
been entered into…God calls things that are not
as if they were and I think He wants us
to proclaim that good news.

God bless
JP

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Gideons300 · Apr 22, 2019

1stcenturylady said:
@Gideons300

Gideon - There is a difference between someone who loves their sin and refuses to give it up, and someone who finds themselves in Romans 7, doing what they hate and unable to do what they long to do.

We must be careful not to be too quick to assume all who are caught in the grip of sin must be unsaved. I believe many are simply sheep who have been led into pastures that have left them weak. Think for a minute. Have the sheep been taught HOW to overcome sin? HOW to bring every thought unto the obedience of Christ? Sadly, that is our great lack and what is about to be addressed by God Himself.

Truthfully, right now it is almost impossible to differentiate the wheat from the tares inside the church. But all will be awakened. Yet only the wheat shall respond and light their lamps.

Gideon, I was in that position since I was born in 1947 for 30 years, but it wasn't until I repented in 1977 that I was filled with the Spirit, and there was NO MORE ROMANS 7 STRUGGLE. Don't you get that? I wasn't saved. And neither is anyone trying to keep the law with their old man still alive. They MUST be born again of the Spirit of Christ or they don't belong to Christ.This serious flaw in doctrine that the Reformationists, whose doctrine of we all sin, has infiltrated the whole church, is going to send millions to hell! And that is why Jesus will say to them, "I never knew you."

Me- What? LOL? Do you realize how many there are of the elect of God who are still laboring under the schoolmaster.... self effort and the law? They were given new natures the day they were saved. Their old flesh was dead from day one. But they have yet to learn that faith is what makes these two truths real. This is what we as a whole are being awakened to!

Again, they are not saved if they are laboring/struggling under the schoolmaster! Yes, it is self effort and the law, but NOT OF THE SPIRIT! So they don't belong to Christ, because they haven't truly repented! They must be born again of the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, or they don't belong to Christ. Romans 8:9.

Me- The best scripture as to our awakening is found in Ezekiel 36. This is when the heathen will know that He is the Lord when He shall be sanctified in us before their very eyes. This occurred in the book of Acts and will again during the harvest.

I believe there are multitudes outside of the organized church right now who are part of the elect, Rhey simply have not seen Christ in the lives of Christians and who can blame them for not wanting what we are selling? All rhat is about to change, and in the end, just as Ezekiel 36 tells us, men will exclaim "Look! That which bore only briars and thorns has become again like the garden of Eden!

Glory! Hope this helps a bit.

Thanks. No wonder I couldn't find it. I wasn't looking in the OT.

One thing you will note if you read Ezekiel 36 is that God addresses His own and tells them that they has blasphemed His Holy name wherever they have gone. Ouch. And yet.... and yet they...... we.....are STILL His people!

He then says that He will sanctify His great name that we have blasphemed but He will not do it for our sakes but for His Holy names sake alone. He says that we, His people, have been stiff necked and rebellious. And how will He change peoples' minds about Him? By changing us, His religious, hypocritical backslidden lukewarm children, right before their eyes. WOW!

Here is the interesting thing. He then says that after He has turned us, His wayward elect, it will be only then for multitudes that they will repent and be ashamed. Here repentance will actually follow being drawn back, not before! This is a perfect picture of the amazingly loving and long suffering God that we all serve!

In the parable of the 10 virgins, all slept, even the saved ones. Why? They had the oil..... the Holy Spirit.... but as yet their lamps were not lit. Saved but not safe. Inwardly new but outwardly walking as carnal believers. Romans 7 children of God. Thank God in these last days He will plant us all, some kicking and screaming perhaps, lol, firmly in the glorious victory of Romans 8.

If what you are espousing were true, then in His church, how many are actually walking in the FREE INDEED He promised? How many have found the way to keep their bodies under? How many love Him with ALL of their hearts and love their neighbors as they love themselves? 1%? .0001%? No, less than that. Far less. But that is all about to change.

Praise God, He is not coming back for a defeated church, hanging on by her fingernails. The latter rain still awaits us and praise God forevermore, it will be greater than the former.

Remember, God has said that His house WILL BE FULL!

I fully realize that this is a unique take on things. I will be the last one to encourage people to remain in their sins awaiting some coming awakening. But there are those who hate their old flesh, yet do not know how to rid themselves of its grip on them.

Knowing that the old us is dead and that we are new creatures is part of the answer. But until we see we must appropriate this as OUR victory or nothing happens, we will walk trying to be good, but failing and only be religious.

What I share here is what God has told me. I am fully aware that when I say rhis, many doubt my sanity, lol, and heck, I can hardly blame them. But He did indeed appear to me and yes, He did share with me what I am doing such a poor job trying here to share with others.

Yet I take comfort in the fact that the elect are the elect, and His sheep WILL hear His voice...... and live! The fact that He allows is to partake in sharing His Good News is humbling indeed. So as Paul stated, I strive according to His strivings in me, trusting that the words He gives me will accomplish what they were. meant to.

Blessings to you, my dear sister in Christ.

Gids

1stcenturylady · Apr 22, 2019

Gideons300 said:
One thing you will note if you read Ezekiel 36 is that God addresses His own and tells them that they has blasphemed His Holy name wherever they have gone. Ouch. And yet.... and yet they...... we.....are STILL His people!

He then says that He will sanctify His great name that we have blasphemed but He will not do it for our sakes but for His Holy names sake alone. He says that we, His people, have been stiff necked and rebellious. And how will He change peoples' minds about Him? By changing us, His religious, hypocritical backslidden lukewarm children, right before their eyes. WOW!

Here is the interesting thing. He then says that after He has turned us, His wayward elect, it will be only then for multitudes that they will repent and be ashamed. Here repentance will actually follow being drawn back, not before! This is a perfect picture of the amazingly loving and long suffering God that we all serve!

In the parable of the 10 virgins, all slept, even the saved ones. Why? They had the oil..... the Holy Spirit.... but as yet their lamps were not lit. Saved but not safe. Inwardly new but outwardly walking as carnal believers. Romans 7 children of God. Thank God in these last days He will plant us all, some kicking and screaming perhaps, lol, firmly in the glorious victory of Romans 8.

If what you are espousing were true, then in His church, how many are actually walking in the FREE INDEED He promised? How many have found the way to keep their bodies under? How many love Him with ALL of their hearts and love their neighbors as they love themselves? 1%? .0001%? No, less than that. Far less. But that is all about to change.

Praise God, He is not coming back for a defeated church, hanging on by her fingernails. The latter rain still awaits us and praise God forevermore, it will be greater than the former.

Remember, God has said that His house WILL BE FULL!

I fully realize that this is a unique take on things. I will be the last one to encourage people to remain in their sins awaiting some coming awakening. But there are those who hate their old flesh, yet do not know how to rid themselves of its grip on them.

Knowing that the old us is dead and that we are new creatures is part of the answer. But until we see we must appropriate this as OUR victory or nothing happens, we will walk trying to be good, but failing and only be religious.

What I share here is what God has told me. I am fully aware that when I say rhis, many doubt my sanity, lol, and heck, I can hardly blame them. But He did indeed appear to me and yes, He did share with me what I am doing such a poor job trying here to share with others.

Yet I take comfort in the fact that the elect are the elect, and His sheep WILL hear His voice...... and live! The fact that He allows is to partake in sharing His Good News is humbling indeed. So as Paul stated, I strive according to His strivings in me, trusting that the words He gives me will accomplish what they were. meant to.

Blessings to you, my dear sister in Christ.

Gids

We'll have to agree to disagree, brother. I see him talking about national Israel, not the Church, which ties into Romans 11

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