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What are you referring to as 'Passover week'?
When do you say that He was crucified?
This Year it is this coming week. The last day of Passover is the 27th. He was Crucified on the Preparation Day. See verse 27:62. That would be Thursday sundown to Friday sundown.
And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples.
(Mat 26:18 KJV)
Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
(Mat 27:62 KJV)
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
(Mat 28:1 KJV)
 
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Uggg. Practicing pagan sacrifice is different than a date. A date is a date. We have one everyday.
Solomon was not practicing Pagan Sacrifice he was sacrificing to GOD but doing it in High Places mirroring the Pagan practice of sacrificing to false gods in high places.
 
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That was not posted, This was posted, "The day we celebrate the Resurrection which we call Easter was founded on prejudice and has pagan roots that date back thousands of years."
The Day in which was chosen is the issue.

In answering your question, Here is an excerpt taken from here The Ancient Pagan Origins of Easter

"Most historians, including Biblical scholars, agree that Easter was originally a pagan festival. According to the New Unger’s Bible Dictionary: “The word Easter is of Saxon origin, Eastra, the goddess of spring, in whose honour sacrifices were offered about Passover time each year. By the eighth century Anglo–Saxons had adopted the name to designate the celebration of Christ’s resurrection.” However, even among those who maintain that Easter has pagan roots, there is some disagreement over which pagan tradition the festival emerged from. Here we will explore some of those perspectives...."

Ah, see, that's the problem. It's true that the word "Easter" is of Anglo-Saxon origin, it is taken from an Anglo-Saxon month, Eostremonath, which roughly corresponds to April. According to the Ven. Bede the month is named after an Anglo-Saxon goddess named Eostre.

Here's the thing. Want to know what Bede tells us about Eostre? Maybe that she was a fertility goddess, or that she had a celebration named after her, or maybe people dyed eggs, or she was associated with bunny rabbits? Nothing. Bede tells us nothing.

But that's okay, we can just use some of our other ancient sources. Other ancient writers, archeological evidence. Small problem. There is none.

That's right, Bede is literally the only source we have. Outside of Bede there are people who use Bede's writing and then go on to invent elaborate speculations.

So we have what Bede wrote, and we have people, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years after Bede who have decided to speculate wildly on all sorts of things based on what Bede wrote.

So at best what does this mean? It means claiming Easter is Pagan is like saying celebrating Martin Luther King Day is a Pagan celebration of Janus because it happens in January. A statement that is, indeed, and at best, silly.

But then, there's this other small detail. Most people on the planet don't call it Easter. In fact, the only people who do are English and German speakers, almost everyone else calls it Pascha.

In Greek it is Pascha, in Latin it is Pascha, in Spanish it is Pascua, in French it is Pâques, in Portuguese it is Páscoa, in Dutch it is Pasen, in Italian Pasqua, in Danish it is Paaske, in Bulgarian it is Paskha, in Finnish it is Pääsiäinen, in Irish Gaelic it is Cáisc, in Welsh it is Pasg, in Russian it is Paskha

-CryptoLutheran
 
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This has been posted in previous threads where these arguments came up, but I think Romans 14 is appropriate here...

3 The one who eats anything must not look down on the one who abstains; and the abstainer must not pass judgment on the one who eats anything, because God has accepted him — 4 who are you to pass judgment on someone else’s servant? It is before his own master that he will stand or fall; and the fact is that he will stand, because the Lord is able to make him stand.

5 One person considers some days more holy than others, while someone else regards them as being all alike. What is important is for each to be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes a day as special does so to honor the Lord. Also he who eats anything, eats to honor the Lord, since he gives thanks to God; likewise the abstainer abstains to honor the Lord, and he too gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives only in relation to himself, and none of us dies only in relation to himself; 8 for if we live, we live in relation to the Lord; and if we die, we die in relation to the Lord. So whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord — 9 indeed, it was for this very reason that the Messiah died and came back to life, so that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living. (Romans 14:3-9, Complete Jewish Bible)
 
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Yeshua/Jesus came born.. all heaven rejoiced. Lived died ROSE! Myself I dont care what man wants to argue debate chat about. HE ROSE! That stone is gone...you have to rejoice on the CORRECT DAY? Born rose.. EVERY DAY I rejoice.

Not here to please man.. only HIM! So how when you do it.. let no man tell you when you should. Hes YOUR GOD!
 
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The day we celebrate the Resurrection which we call Easter was founded on prejudice and has pagan roots that date back thousands of years. If We would celebrate HIS Resurrection it should be done on the end of Passover week not tomorrow. That was when it happened. Solomen thought that there was no issue with ascribing to the pagan practice of sacrificing in high places to our GOD. His intentions were pure but it is recorded as a short coming.... Solomon demonstrated his loyalty to the LORD by following the practices of his father David, EXCEPT that he offered sacrifices and burned incense on the high places.
(1Ki 3:3 NET)
You're right about Solomon. However, in the NT era with an international church that Jesus instituted, God is not a localized God with his presence in one place like the temple, where they had to give their sacrifices. My point is that we want to honor our 3-in-1 God's great forgiving power on Good Friday and his new life that he gives us on Resurrection Sunday, which we call Easter. If you are fully focused on Jesus' death and resurrection in your worship, it doesn't matter which days the church uses.

The outward form is far less important than the inner meaning. However, I believe we must celebrate it with the rest of the international church.
 
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Ah, see, that's the problem. It's true that the word "Easter" is of Anglo-Saxon origin, it is taken from an Anglo-Saxon month, Eostremonath, which roughly corresponds to April. According to the Ven. Bede the month is named after an Anglo-Saxon goddess named Eostre.


-CryptoLutheran
No it is the day and what it symbolize prior to Christ
 
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History; He rose after the last day of Passover.
Well brother I think you are fighting a losing battle . Just like Christmas , I loved easter prior to becoming a follower of Jesus . I shake my head when I hear of Christian organizations fighting for our religious freedoms against the "godless atheist and liberals who want to take away our christian holidays . " Give me a break ...The merchants who actually run this country will never let these "holidays" stop . Too much revenue generated ...easter hats and clothes ...eggs ...meals after church at restaurants , etc. And our love of nostalgia and romanticism ( basically putting our hands to the plow and looking back ) will not allow us to give up a "perfectly harmless" deception . I do not know how Jesus will judge these things but minimally we could do truth and admit that Jesus does not want chocolate eggs nor will He share a holiday with Santa . These are man things ..not Jesus things .
 
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No it is the day and what it symbolize prior to Christ

That's apparently what you aren't getting here, it didn't symbolize anything prior to Christ.

You are objectively and factually wrong, you have been misinformed. The facts don't support your position.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Again I don't care what the pagans are doing I'm using this time to be thankful and worship and praise the sacrifice of my Lord.

People like OP who judge other Christian's for celebrating the Lords birth and resurrection actually give credence to panagism and magnify it when they shy away from participating with all other Christians in these holidays. Why not instead have faith that God is pleased that we have such days, recognized by our secular government, that worship His Son for his life, sacrifice and resurrection?

I don't care what the pagans are doing. It's of no concern to me, and I am not so weak in faith as to be chased away from honoring the Lord during these seasons by nonsense.
 
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Like "oh no. Dont acknowledge the Lord's death and resurrection during Easter. That's what the pagans want you to do."

Sorry to be terse. It's beyond ridiculous.
 
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You're right about Solomon.
Praise GOD!
]However, in the NT era with an international church that Jesus instituted, God is not a localized God with his presence in one place like the temple, where they had to give their sacrifices. My point is that we want to honor our 3-in-1 God's great forgiving power on Good Friday and his new life that he gives us on Resurrection Sunday, which we call Easter. If you are fully focused on Jesus' death and resurrection in your worship, it doesn't matter which days the church uses.

The outward form is far less important than the inner meaning. However, I believe we must celebrate it with the rest of the international church.
SO we should pick to celebrate a day picked with pagan roots dealing with false worship which GOD is recorded as abhorring, rather than the celebrate at the end of Passover. The Time which we know that He Rose because every one else is doing it.
 
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SO we should pick to celebrate a day picked with pagan roots

What part of "it doesn't have pagan roots" are you having a hard time understanding exactly?

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Like "oh no. Dont acknowledge the Lord's death and resurrection during Easter. That's what the pagans want you to do."

Sorry to be terse. It's beyond ridiculous.
No you're not.
He Resurrected on the day after the last day of Passover week; which is next week this year. That is when we should celebrate HIS resurrection not on a day with pagan roots which was used for false worship.
 
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It's been pointed out many times how Easter is not pagan historically and I've noticed that those who don't want to deal with the historical facts won't. If you are going to maintain Easter is of Pagan origins in this thread, please do so on a solid basis. How do you deal with non Anglo-Saxon sources which mention the same feast but with different words that demonstrate the historical origin of Easter is in Judaism, not any sort of Paganism?

What I would like to know is where in the traditional Easter services do we see elements of Paganism incorporated into the liturgies? If you've ever been an Orthodox Easter service, the refrain is always to mention Christ, always to quote biblical passages, to place us there as if we were present at the death and resurrection of Christ himself.

What about these sorts of services is wrong? What about fasting during Lent is wrong? We aren't Jews, nor are we subject to the entire law of approved holidays marked out in the Old Testament. We are Christians under a New Covenant and as Paul says we can't really be judged for keeping certain days holy or other days not holy.
 
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Every year somebody wants to argue that Christmas and Easter has pagan roots, like it is going to change. I think it is just satan trying to stop the celebration.After all it is the celebration of His defeat.:clap:
Every year more and more people realize the pagan origins of Christmas & Easter and stop celebrating them.

Easter & Christmas are about the celebration of Satan, not the Messiah.

Satan wants people to celebrate his holidays. Christmas, Easter, Halloween, Valentine’s Day, New Years etc, the list goes on and on. They ALL are satanic.
 
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Solomon was not practicing Pagan Sacrifice he was sacrificing to GOD but doing it in High Places mirroring the Pagan practice of sacrificing to false gods in high places.
I was just reusing your wording. I understand the scripture just fine.

How about this: you worry about the demise of Christianity due to celebrating Easter on the wrong day, and I'll worry about more important things like what color socks to wear to my pagan celebration of Jesus's resurrection this weekend.
 
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No you're not.
He Resurrected on the day after the last day of Passover week; which is next week this year. That is when we should celebrate HIS resurrection not on a day with pagan roots which was used for false worship.

Easter for Orthodox Christians is in fact next week but this isn't due to any sort of consideration of paganism, but due to the accident of following a different calendar. How Easter is selected depends on the Calendar one uses and the time the vernal Equinox takes place.

Given that Easter changes from year to year, do you have any evidence of a pagan feast taking place under the same criteria we use to determine the date of Easter? No secondary sources, but actual primary pagan sources, be it history or whatever.
 
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Every year more and more people realize the pagan origins of Christmas & Easter and stop celebrating them.

Legitimate question. Is there any argument we could make to convince you Easter isn't pagan? I feel like with these debates the "Easter is Pagan" side believes their position as if it were said by the bible itself. So seriously, what would it take to convince you? Please don't say nothing.
 
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