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All of my wealth is in money (I have old furniture, car, cheap clothes, etc.) and is available for borrowing at low interest rates. It also earns low interest rates, thus stabilizing the credit market. :holy:
Kudos to you, but you are the exception, not the rule.
 
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All of my wealth is in money (I have old furniture, car, cheap clothes, etc.) and is available for borrowing at low interest rates. It also earns low interest rates, thus stabilizing the credit market. :holy:
Usury, huh? The Bible talks a lot about usury:
Exodus 22:25 ESV / 2,102 helpful votes
“If you lend money to any of my people with you who is poor, you shall not be like a moneylender to him, and you shall not exact interest from him.

Psalm 15:5 ESV / 1,678 helpful votes
Who does not put out his money at interest and does not take a bribe against the innocent. He who does these things shall never be moved.

Proverbs 28:8 ESV / 1,535 helpful votes
Whoever multiplies his wealth by interest and profit gathers it for him who is generous to the poor.

Ezekiel 18:13 ESV / 1,505 helpful votes
Lends at interest, and takes profit; shall he then live? He shall not live. He has done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon himself.

Deuteronomy 23:19 ESV / 1,422 helpful votes
“You shall not charge interest on loans to your brother, interest on money, interest on food, interest on anything that is lent for interest.

Ezekiel 22:12 ESV / 1,378 helpful votes
In you they take bribes to shed blood; you take interest and profit and make gain of your neighbors by extortion; but me you have forgotten, declares the Lord God.

Deuteronomy 23:19-20 ESV / 1,364 helpful votes
“You shall not charge interest on loans to your brother, interest on money, interest on food, interest on anything that is lent for interest. You may charge a foreigner interest, but you may not charge your brother interest, that the Lord your God may bless you in all that you undertake in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.

Leviticus 25:36 ESV / 1,359 helpful votes
Take no interest from him or profit, but fear your God, that your brother may live beside you.

Jeremiah 15:10 ESV / 1,309 helpful votes
Woe is me, my mother, that you bore me, a man of strife and contention to the whole land! I have not lent, nor have I borrowed, yet all of them curse me.

Ezekiel 18:8 ESV / 1,305 helpful votes
Does not lend at interest or take any profit, withholds his hand from injustice, executes true justice between man and man,

Matthew 25:27 ESV / 1,281 helpful votes
Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest.

Ezekiel 18:17 ESV / 1,272 helpful votes
Withholds his hand from iniquity, takes no interest or profit, obeys my rules, and walks in my statutes; he shall not die for his father's iniquity; he shall surely live.

Leviticus 25:37 ESV / 1,169 helpful votes
You shall not lend him your money at interest, nor give him your food for profit.

Deuteronomy 23:20 ESV / 1,079 helpful votes
You may charge a foreigner interest, but you may not charge your brother interest, that the Lord your God may bless you in all that you undertake in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.

Leviticus 25:35-37 ESV / 1,033 helpful votes
“If your brother becomes poor and cannot maintain himself with you, you shall support him as though he were a stranger and a sojourner, and he shall live with you. Take no interest from him or profit, but fear your God, that your brother may live beside you. You shall not lend him your money at interest, nor give him your food for profit.

Nehemiah 5:7 ESV / 1,004 helpful votes
I took counsel with myself, and I brought charges against the nobles and the officials. I said to them, “You are exacting interest, each from his brother.” And I held a great assembly against them

Proverbs 22:7 ESV / 851 helpful votes
The rich rules over the poor, and the borrower is the slave of the lender.

Luke 19:23 ESV / 830 helpful votes
Why then did you not put my money in the bank, and at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’

Isaiah 24:2 ESV / 687 helpful votes
And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the slave, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the creditor, so with the debtor.

Nehemiah 5:10 ESV / 646 helpful votes
Moreover, I and my brothers and my servants are lending them money and grain. Let us abandon this exacting of interest.

Luke 6:35 ESV / 626 helpful votes
But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil.

Nehemiah 5:1-13 ESV / 547 helpful votes
Now there arose a great outcry of the people and of their wives against their Jewish brothers. For there were those who said, “With our sons and our daughters, we are many. So let us get grain, that we may eat and keep alive.” There were also those who said, “We are mortgaging our fields, our vineyards, and our houses to get grain because of the famine.” And there were those who said, “We have borrowed money for the king's tax on our fields and our vineyards. Now our flesh is as the flesh of our brothers, our children are as their children. Yet we are forcing our sons and our daughters to be slaves, and some of our daughters have already been enslaved, but it is not in our power to help it, for other men have our fields and our vineyards.” ...

Leviticus 25:36-37 ESV / 517 helpful votes
Take no interest from him or profit, but fear your God, that your brother may live beside you. You shall not lend him your money at interest, nor give him your food for profit.

Psalm 15:1-5 ESV / 514 helpful votes
A Psalm of David. O Lord, who shall sojourn in your tent? Who shall dwell on your holy hill? He who walks blamelessly and does what is right and speaks truth in his heart; who does not slander with his tongue and does no evil to his neighbor, nor takes up a reproach against his friend; in whose eyes a vile person is despised, but who honors those who fear the Lord; who swears to his own hurt and does not change; who does not put out his money at interest and does not take a bribe against the innocent. He who does these things shall never be moved.

Psalm 37:21 ESV / 466 helpful votes
The wicked borrows but does not pay back, but the righteous is generous and gives;

Matthew 5:42 ESV / 426 helpful votes
Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

Psalm 112:5 ESV / 410 helpful votes
It is well with the man who deals generously and lends; who conducts his affairs with justice.

Proverbs 19:17 ESV / 386 helpful votes
Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed.

Exodus 22:25-27 ESV / 363 helpful votes
“If you lend money to any of my people with you who is poor, you shall not be like a moneylender to him, and you shall not exact interest from him. If ever you take your neighbor's cloak in pledge, you shall return it to him before the sun goes down, for that is his only covering, and it is his cloak for his body; in what else shall he sleep? And if he cries to me, I will hear, for I am compassionate.

Psalm 112:5-6 ESV / 334 helpful votes
It is well with the man who deals generously and lends; who conducts his affairs with justice. For the righteous will never be moved; he will be remembered forever.

Deuteronomy 15:7-11 ESV / 334 helpful votes
“If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be. Take care lest there be an unworthy thought in your heart and you say, ‘The seventh year, the year of release is near,’ and your eye look grudgingly on your poor brother, and you give him nothing, and he cry to the Lord against you, and you be guilty of sin. You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’

Matthew 25:1-46 ESV / 316 helpful votes
“Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept. ...

Ezekiel 22:1-31 ESV / 312 helpful votes
And the word of the Lord came to me, saying, “And you, son of man, will you judge, will you judge the bloody city? Then declare to her all her abominations. You shall say, Thus says the Lord God: A city that sheds blood in her midst, so that her time may come, and that makes idols to defile herself! You have become guilty by the blood that you have shed, and defiled by the idols that you have made, and you have brought your days near, the appointed time of your years has come. Therefore I have made you a reproach to the nations, and a mockery to all the countries. Those who are near and those who are far from you will mock you; your name is defiled; you are full of tumult. ...

Luke 19:1-48 ESV / 300 helpful votes
He entered Jericho and was passing through. And there was a man named Zacchaeus. He was a chief tax collector and was rich. And he was seeking to see who Jesus was, but on account of the crowd he could not, because he was small of stature. So he ran on ahead and climbed up into a sycamore tree to see him, for he was about to pass that way. And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up and said to him, “Zacchaeus, hurry and come down, for I must stay at your house today.” ...

Isaiah 50:1 ESV / 281 helpful votes
Thus says the Lord: “Where is your mother's certificate of divorce, with which I sent her away? Or which of my creditors is it to whom I have sold you? Behold, for your iniquities you were sold, and for your transgressions your mother was sent away.

Deuteronomy 23:1-25 ESV / 281 helpful votes
“No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord. “No one born of a forbidden union may enter the assembly of the Lord. Even to the tenth generation, none of his descendants may enter the assembly of the Lord. “No Ammonite or Moabite may enter the assembly of the Lord. Even to the tenth generation, none of them may enter the assembly of the Lord forever, because they did not meet you with bread and with water on the way, when you came out of Egypt, and because they hired against you Balaam the son of Beor from Pethor of Mesopotamia, to curse you. But the Lord your God would not listen to Balaam; instead the Lord your God turned the curse into a blessing for you, because the Lord your God loved you. ...

Nehemiah 10:31 ESV / 279 helpful votes
And if the peoples of the land bring in goods or any grain on the Sabbath day to sell, we will not buy from them on the Sabbath or on a holy day. And we will forego the crops of the seventh year and the exaction of every debt.

Habakkuk 2:7 ESV / 260 helpful votes
Will not your debtors suddenly arise, and those awake who will make you tremble? Then you will be spoil for them.

Leviticus 25:35-38 ESV / 253 helpful votes
“If your brother becomes poor and cannot maintain himself with you, you shall support him as though he were a stranger and a sojourner, and he shall live with you. Take no interest from him or profit, but fear your God, that your brother may live beside you. You shall not lend him your money at interest, nor give him your food for profit. I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt to give you the land of Canaan, and to be your God.

Matthew 6:24 ESV / 249 helpful votes
“No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.
 
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Kudos to you, but you are the exception, not the rule.

I know, that's why I have so much trouble getting my points across here. Many think because I am the exception that I'm wrong (Look, everyone's out of step except our Johnny).
Usury, huh? The Bible talks a lot about usury:
Exodus 22:25 ESV / 2,102 helpful votes
“If you lend money to any of my people with you who is poor, you shall not be like a moneylender to him, and you shall not exact interest from him.

Psalm 15:5 ESV / 1,678 helpful votes
Who does not put out his money at interest and does not take a bribe against the innocent. He who does these things shall never be moved.

Proverbs 28:8 ESV / 1,535 helpful votes
Whoever multiplies his wealth by interest and profit gathers it for him who is generous to the poor.

Ezekiel 18:13 ESV / 1,505 helpful votes
Lends at interest, and takes profit; shall he then live? He shall not live. He has done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon himself.

Deuteronomy 23:19 ESV / 1,422 helpful votes
“You shall not charge interest on loans to your brother, interest on money, interest on food, interest on anything that is lent for interest.

Ezekiel 22:12 ESV / 1,378 helpful votes
In you they take bribes to shed blood; you take interest and profit and make gain of your neighbors by extortion; but me you have forgotten, declares the Lord God.

Deuteronomy 23:19-20 ESV / 1,364 helpful votes
“You shall not charge interest on loans to your brother, interest on money, interest on food, interest on anything that is lent for interest. You may charge a foreigner interest, but you may not charge your brother interest, that the Lord your God may bless you in all that you undertake in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.

Leviticus 25:36 ESV / 1,359 helpful votes
Take no interest from him or profit, but fear your God, that your brother may live beside you.

Jeremiah 15:10 ESV / 1,309 helpful votes
Woe is me, my mother, that you bore me, a man of strife and contention to the whole land! I have not lent, nor have I borrowed, yet all of them curse me.

Ezekiel 18:8 ESV / 1,305 helpful votes
Does not lend at interest or take any profit, withholds his hand from injustice, executes true justice between man and man,

Matthew 25:27 ESV / 1,281 helpful votes
Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest.

Ezekiel 18:17 ESV / 1,272 helpful votes
Withholds his hand from iniquity, takes no interest or profit, obeys my rules, and walks in my statutes; he shall not die for his father's iniquity; he shall surely live.

Leviticus 25:37 ESV / 1,169 helpful votes
You shall not lend him your money at interest, nor give him your food for profit.

Deuteronomy 23:20 ESV / 1,079 helpful votes
You may charge a foreigner interest, but you may not charge your brother interest, that the Lord your God may bless you in all that you undertake in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.

Leviticus 25:35-37 ESV / 1,033 helpful votes
“If your brother becomes poor and cannot maintain himself with you, you shall support him as though he were a stranger and a sojourner, and he shall live with you. Take no interest from him or profit, but fear your God, that your brother may live beside you. You shall not lend him your money at interest, nor give him your food for profit.

Nehemiah 5:7 ESV / 1,004 helpful votes
I took counsel with myself, and I brought charges against the nobles and the officials. I said to them, “You are exacting interest, each from his brother.” And I held a great assembly against them

Proverbs 22:7 ESV / 851 helpful votes
The rich rules over the poor, and the borrower is the slave of the lender.

Luke 19:23 ESV / 830 helpful votes
Why then did you not put my money in the bank, and at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’

Isaiah 24:2 ESV / 687 helpful votes
And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the slave, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the creditor, so with the debtor.

Nehemiah 5:10 ESV / 646 helpful votes
Moreover, I and my brothers and my servants are lending them money and grain. Let us abandon this exacting of interest.

Luke 6:35 ESV / 626 helpful votes
But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil.

Nehemiah 5:1-13 ESV / 547 helpful votes
Now there arose a great outcry of the people and of their wives against their Jewish brothers. For there were those who said, “With our sons and our daughters, we are many. So let us get grain, that we may eat and keep alive.” There were also those who said, “We are mortgaging our fields, our vineyards, and our houses to get grain because of the famine.” And there were those who said, “We have borrowed money for the king's tax on our fields and our vineyards. Now our flesh is as the flesh of our brothers, our children are as their children. Yet we are forcing our sons and our daughters to be slaves, and some of our daughters have already been enslaved, but it is not in our power to help it, for other men have our fields and our vineyards.” ...

Leviticus 25:36-37 ESV / 517 helpful votes
Take no interest from him or profit, but fear your God, that your brother may live beside you. You shall not lend him your money at interest, nor give him your food for profit.

Psalm 15:1-5 ESV / 514 helpful votes
A Psalm of David. O Lord, who shall sojourn in your tent? Who shall dwell on your holy hill? He who walks blamelessly and does what is right and speaks truth in his heart; who does not slander with his tongue and does no evil to his neighbor, nor takes up a reproach against his friend; in whose eyes a vile person is despised, but who honors those who fear the Lord; who swears to his own hurt and does not change; who does not put out his money at interest and does not take a bribe against the innocent. He who does these things shall never be moved.

Psalm 37:21 ESV / 466 helpful votes
The wicked borrows but does not pay back, but the righteous is generous and gives;

Matthew 5:42 ESV / 426 helpful votes
Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

Psalm 112:5 ESV / 410 helpful votes
It is well with the man who deals generously and lends; who conducts his affairs with justice.

Proverbs 19:17 ESV / 386 helpful votes
Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed.

Exodus 22:25-27 ESV / 363 helpful votes
“If you lend money to any of my people with you who is poor, you shall not be like a moneylender to him, and you shall not exact interest from him. If ever you take your neighbor's cloak in pledge, you shall return it to him before the sun goes down, for that is his only covering, and it is his cloak for his body; in what else shall he sleep? And if he cries to me, I will hear, for I am compassionate.

Psalm 112:5-6 ESV / 334 helpful votes
It is well with the man who deals generously and lends; who conducts his affairs with justice. For the righteous will never be moved; he will be remembered forever.

Deuteronomy 15:7-11 ESV / 334 helpful votes
“If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be. Take care lest there be an unworthy thought in your heart and you say, ‘The seventh year, the year of release is near,’ and your eye look grudgingly on your poor brother, and you give him nothing, and he cry to the Lord against you, and you be guilty of sin. You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’

Matthew 25:1-46 ESV / 316 helpful votes
“Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept. ...

Ezekiel 22:1-31 ESV / 312 helpful votes
And the word of the Lord came to me, saying, “And you, son of man, will you judge, will you judge the bloody city? Then declare to her all her abominations. You shall say, Thus says the Lord God: A city that sheds blood in her midst, so that her time may come, and that makes idols to defile herself! You have become guilty by the blood that you have shed, and defiled by the idols that you have made, and you have brought your days near, the appointed time of your years has come. Therefore I have made you a reproach to the nations, and a mockery to all the countries. Those who are near and those who are far from you will mock you; your name is defiled; you are full of tumult. ...

Luke 19:1-48 ESV / 300 helpful votes
He entered Jericho and was passing through. And there was a man named Zacchaeus. He was a chief tax collector and was rich. And he was seeking to see who Jesus was, but on account of the crowd he could not, because he was small of stature. So he ran on ahead and climbed up into a sycamore tree to see him, for he was about to pass that way. And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up and said to him, “Zacchaeus, hurry and come down, for I must stay at your house today.” ...

Isaiah 50:1 ESV / 281 helpful votes
Thus says the Lord: “Where is your mother's certificate of divorce, with which I sent her away? Or which of my creditors is it to whom I have sold you? Behold, for your iniquities you were sold, and for your transgressions your mother was sent away.

Deuteronomy 23:1-25 ESV / 281 helpful votes
“No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord. “No one born of a forbidden union may enter the assembly of the Lord. Even to the tenth generation, none of his descendants may enter the assembly of the Lord. “No Ammonite or Moabite may enter the assembly of the Lord. Even to the tenth generation, none of them may enter the assembly of the Lord forever, because they did not meet you with bread and with water on the way, when you came out of Egypt, and because they hired against you Balaam the son of Beor from Pethor of Mesopotamia, to curse you. But the Lord your God would not listen to Balaam; instead the Lord your God turned the curse into a blessing for you, because the Lord your God loved you. ...

Nehemiah 10:31 ESV / 279 helpful votes
And if the peoples of the land bring in goods or any grain on the Sabbath day to sell, we will not buy from them on the Sabbath or on a holy day. And we will forego the crops of the seventh year and the exaction of every debt.

Habakkuk 2:7 ESV / 260 helpful votes
Will not your debtors suddenly arise, and those awake who will make you tremble? Then you will be spoil for them.

Leviticus 25:35-38 ESV / 253 helpful votes
“If your brother becomes poor and cannot maintain himself with you, you shall support him as though he were a stranger and a sojourner, and he shall live with you. Take no interest from him or profit, but fear your God, that your brother may live beside you. You shall not lend him your money at interest, nor give him your food for profit. I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt to give you the land of Canaan, and to be your God.

Matthew 6:24 ESV / 249 helpful votes
“No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.

Thanks for this. The good parts apply to me. :holy:
 
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I know, that's why I have so much trouble getting my points across here. Many think because I am the exception that I'm wrong (Look, everyone's out of step except our Johnny).


Thanks for this. The good parts apply to me. :holy:
Since most "good people" are staying out of lending, its dominated by.. not so good people.
 
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I know, that's why I have so much trouble getting my points across here. Many think because I am the exception that I'm wrong

Amazing, isn't it? It's no different than the issue of suicide. In my opinion, considering my extensive 16 years of wanting to kill myself, I can confidently shout to the entire world that those who want to die, want to do so not because they are abnormal, but because those around them are abnormal. Therefore, wanting to die to get away from crazy people makes sense, particularly when you live according to the Heavenly Realms, understanding that we "live in this body while we are here", etc. Paul wanted to go home and be with Christ, because humans were treating him so well? Paul wasn't crazy....he wanted to die because he was brilliant and those around him were whacked.

Oldwiseguy....I'll follow you 8 days a week, 25 hours a day. :D
 
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The rich dont spend proportionately more than the poor of their total wealth/income. Once they have everything they want, they reinvest their money.

Most poor spend 100% of their income and live from paycheck to paycheck while for the rich, its not unusual to only spend a few percent.

So in the end, this would be something that would punish the poor, again.


The rich still spend more overall because they have more to spend. They may then invest on top of that. But they are often investing in businesses. And businesses also pay the VAT.

In the US you have Amazon which accounts for about 50 percent of the online shopping market paying zero tax. You have a number of wealthy people also using tax loopholes.

As to the poor, it is not punishment. It is asking them to help share in the cost of benefits they would then enjoy. And as mentioned, if they are paying for health care already then this would be paying in taxes what was going to health care. Only now you wouldn't lose it if you switched jobs, etc.

You could exempt things like food if you wanted to reduce the burden on the poor.
 
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Look it up. It is not that difficult to find on Google.
I have looked it up. I visit Seattle about once a month for work and have researched the topic. I also live in a city that has raised the minimum wage and the workers I represent have all received better raises due to the pressure from the minimum going up. Economy here is doing great also, in fact there is a shortage of workers in the food and beverage industry, one of the “hardest hit” by minimum wage increases.
 
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I have liked it up. I visit Seattle about once a month for work and have researched the topic. I also live in a city that has raised the minimum wage and the workers I represent have all received better raises due to the pressure from the minimum going up. Economy here is doing great also, in fact there is a shortage of workers in the food and beverage industry, one of the “hardest hit” by minimum wage increases.

Yes, the income is higher - and so is the cost of living:

Cost of Living Calculator - Cost of Living Comparison Index Tool

for me to have the same lifestyle in Seattle - I would have to make 29% more. And that is before paying one of the highest personal income tax rates in the nation.

Negates the benefits
 
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I have looked it up. I visit Seattle about once a month for work and have researched the topic. I also live in a city that has raised the minimum wage and the workers I represent have all received better raises due to the pressure from the minimum going up. Economy here is doing great also, in fact there is a shortage of workers in the food and beverage industry, one of the “hardest hit” by minimum wage increases.
Either you are lying and didn't look it up or you are lying to yourself.

This was the top of my Google search.
https://phys.org/news/2019-02-published-seattle-minimum-wage-ordinance.html

This one basically says that minimum wage workers got paid more but now work less house. Same income, more free time, less productivity.

Here's how Seattle's $15 wage is working
"The study, conducted by economists at the University of Washington using state unemployment insurance data, found that the increase added about $10 per week on average to the earnings of low-income workers through 2016, even while reducing weekly hours slightly. But more experienced workers made $19 more per week, the research found, partly by making up for lost hours in Seattle at second jobs worked outside city limits.
 
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Yes, the income is higher - and so is the cost of living:

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for me to have the same lifestyle in Seattle - I would have to make 29% more. And that is before paying one of the highest personal income tax rates in the nation.

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Not true. The are payed more per hour. But work less hours. Meaning, over all they have less income. One report said the average weekly income dropped by $126. But I guess it is okay with the extra free time.
 
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Not true. The are payed more per hour. But work less hours. Meaning, over all they have less income. One report said the average weekly income dropped by $126. But I guess it is okay with the extra free time.

Regardless of how much they are p a i d, it costs 29% more to live
 
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Amazing, isn't it? It's no different than the issue of suicide. In my opinion, considering my extensive 16 years of wanting to kill myself, I can confidently shout to the entire world that those who want to die, want to do so not because they are abnormal, but because those around them are abnormal. Therefore, wanting to die to get away from crazy people makes sense, particularly when you live according to the Heavenly Realms, understanding that we "live in this body while we are here", etc. Paul wanted to go home and be with Christ, because humans were treating him so well? Paul wasn't crazy....he wanted to die because he was brilliant and those around him were whacked.

Oldwiseguy....I'll follow you 8 days a week, 25 hours a day. :D

Thanks, but you'll have to demonstrate that you are exceptional by putting your shopping cart away properly from now on. :D
 
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The rich still spend more overall because they have more to spend. They may then invest on top of that. But they are often investing in businesses. And businesses also pay the VAT.

In the US you have Amazon which accounts for about 50 percent of the online shopping market paying zero tax. You have a number of wealthy people also using tax loopholes.

As to the poor, it is not punishment. It is asking them to help share in the cost of benefits they would then enjoy. And as mentioned, if they are paying for health care already then this would be paying in taxes what was going to health care. Only now you wouldn't lose it if you switched jobs, etc.

You could exempt things like food if you wanted to reduce the burden on the poor.

The poor already get free food.
 
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Since most "good people" are staying out of lending, its dominated by.. not so good people.

Most 'investments' are really loans to others, including the government. Lots of good people have investments.
 
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What a great platform for Bernie and what a great message he delivered on several levels! Obviously there was the message of what his platform itself is, which is fantastic. But he also delivered other important messages.

For one, he delivered the message that Fox News and the people who watch it are not "deplorables" to be shunned but rather they are largely working people who can benefit from his platform and deserve to be spoken to like fellow human beings. He sent the message that they are not just "idiots" or any other derisive label to be dismissed as just such but that rather they are people also who should be spoken to and reasoned with. And for this he was actually criticized and hated by many on the Democratic/liberal side of the spectrum.

Another important message was not the platform itself but the fact that the platform resonates and is desired by a large number of people, a majority of people. Fox unwittingly helped him in this regard by setting him up for what they thought would be several "gotcha!" moments which actually backfired in their face! Nearly everything Bernie spoke about was met with huge cheering and applause from the vast majority of the crowd present. The few times it wasn't, it was typically because the hosts would talk over the cheering to try to subdue it.

The best moment was when one of the hosts asked the crowd who had private insurance and almost every hand went up, then he asked how many of them would be willing to give that up for Bernie's Medicare for all and the same hands went up! Fantastic and very telling endorsement of Bernie's plan and of the fact that he is reaching the majority of the people and resonating with them!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...m4QIINMpfNDXrO_0wDJ9Q8&utm_term=.ffc95a81b870

Future President Sanders will be a great leader for our nation and will benefit even those who are against him. I'm looking forward to watching him win the White House and taking the government back from the big-money special interests and giving it back to the people! With him in the White House and more like AOC and Ro Khanna taking over the Democratic Party and Congress we will surely see our lives improve greatly in the US... There's hope yet for the next generations!

BERNIE 2020

Good old Bernie would cost the average taxpayer a ton of money to carry out his platform. Tax everybody right into poverty. Venezuela here we come.
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Good old Bernie would cost the average taxpayer a ton of money to carry out his platform. Tax everybody right into poverty. Venezuela here we come.
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We're getting ready. Millions are learning Spanish. :(
 
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Good old Bernie would cost the average taxpayer a ton of money to carry out his platform. Tax everybody right into poverty. Venezuela here we come.
M-Bob

We might take a detour to Zimbabwe first.
 
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Thanks, but you'll have to demonstrate that you are exceptional by putting your shopping cart away properly from now on. :D

Not only my own, but I always manage to time things just perfectly so that I'm able to take another persons cart to the store as I enter. (15 years in grocery....this was a gimme! haha)
 
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