Destroying the Disastrous Doctrine of Cessationism

topher694 · Apr 20, 2019

Dave L said:
I probably know you better than you do.

Wow, just... Wow

HatGuy · Apr 20, 2019

Dave L said:
The only New Covenant words of God were tongues and prophecy that Paul said spoke mysteries. And Paul said he spoke in tongues more than all. So it makes sense that these along with Christ's words became the NT scriptures, that when collected gave the full revelation.

I literally can't quite fathom what you're saying.

Did scribes collect all the tongues going around all the churches to provide the full revelation? Because 1 Corinthians certainly shows that a lot of people were speaking in tongues.

And what if the fact that tongues was actual languages in Acts 2?

Dave L · Apr 20, 2019

Natsumi Lam said:
I am asking for just a verse. Not rereading a gambit.

Paul says to come behind in no gift waiting for the revelation of Jesus Christ.

That revelation would also confirm them to the end.

And John wrote the Revelation of Jesus Christ about the time tongues dropped from history, some time before the end of the first century.

Dave L · Apr 20, 2019

HatGuy said:
So did scribes collect all the tongues going around all the churches to provide the full revelation?

God watches over his word. So some probably made the cut and others did not.

HatGuy · Apr 20, 2019

Dave L said:
God watches over his word. So some probably made the cut and others did not.

This is also extra-biblical speculation.

None of this is anywhere in the NT. We have no record whatsoever in the NT that people were collecting and interpreting tongues all over in order to compile scripture.

In fact, this is ironically on the level of weird I've seen many Pentecostals claim about tongues.

Dave L · Apr 20, 2019

HatGuy said:
This is also extra-biblical speculation.

None of this is anywhere in the NT. We have no record whatsoever in the NT that people were collecting and interpreting tongues all over in order to compile scripture.

In fact, this is ironically on the level of weird I've seen many Pentecostals claim about tongues.

It is speculation that makes sense. What other NT words were there?

topher694 · Apr 20, 2019

BCsenior said:
Yes, I told you I'm losin' it ...
the RCC and EOC took the Corinthians 13
passage and blew it up into cessationism
that included ALL of the good spiritual
stuff they did NOT have ...
the 3 items above in 1 Corinthians 13
+ the baptism with the Holy Spirit
+ all 9 spiritual power gifts in 1 Corin. 12
+ the 5-fold ministry in Ephesians 4:11
+ who knows what other spiritual things?

All that's left is ...
Believe what we teach you
+ Do what we tell you
+ Confess to a priest (not to God)
+ Pray to Mary and the saints
+ Pay lots of tithes
+ who knows what other unspiritual things?

So, check this out. You ever notice or heard of this?

1 Cor 13:12, this is still talking of the "ceasing", Paul says, "now we see in a mirror, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I am also known"

So, then = when tongues ceases
then we will see Him face to face. Anyone claiming they are seeing him face to face today in a manner that Paul and the Apostles couldn't?

then *I* (Paul) shall know just as I am known. Paul indicates that he will see and experience this moment (when tongues ceases) personally. Only problem is, Paul passed away long before the scriptures were completed. uh, oh!

Natsumi Lam · Apr 20, 2019

Dave L said:
I probably know you better than you do.

Hu?

Dave L · Apr 20, 2019

topher694 said:
So, check this out. You ever notice or heard of this?

1 Cor 13:12, this is still talking of the "ceasing", Paul says, "now we see in a mirror, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I am also known"

So, then = when tongues ceases
then we will see Him face to face. Anyone claiming they are seeing him face to face today in a manner that Paul and the Apostles couldn't?

then *I* (Paul) shall know just as I am known. Paul indicates that he will see and experience this moment (when tongues ceases) personally. Only problem is, Paul passed away long before the scriptures were completed. uh, oh!

Old testament = through a glass darkly. New Testament = face to face.

Dave L · Apr 20, 2019

Natsumi Lam said:
Hu?

If you know how one denomination believes, you know how every member believes.

PoppyB · Apr 20, 2019

Dave L said:
You still reflect denominational bias which I believe was wrong from the start.

I don't belong to a particular denomination. And which denominational bias are you reflecting?

Dave L · Apr 20, 2019

PoppyB said:
I don't belong to a particular denomination. And which denominational bias are you reflecting?

You share common beliefs with Pentecostals.

topher694 · Apr 20, 2019

Dave L said:
Old testament = through a glass darkly. New Testament = face to face.

So you know God better than Paul and the Apostles, got it!

Natsumi Lam · Apr 20, 2019

Dave L said:
If you know how one denomination believes, you know how every member believes.

Unfortunately i dont have a denom i follow

guess you didnt know that. I had to pick one for CF.

topher694 · Apr 20, 2019

Dave L said:
If you know how one denomination believes, you know how every member believes.

BCsenior · Apr 20, 2019

topher694 said:
1 Cor 13:12, this is still talking of the "ceasing", Paul says, "now we see in a mirror, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I am also known"

True BACs see Jesus face to face (in heaven) either when they die or just after He comes back. So, what's the problem?

Dave L · Apr 20, 2019

Natsumi Lam said:
Unfortunately i dont have a denom i follow guess you didnt know that. I had to pick one for CF.

You still come out of the same mold or you wouldn't be on this thread.

Ken C. · Apr 20, 2019

Dave L said:
You know this how?

I know this from experience. Believe it or not, I really do understand where you're coming from. If we were having this discussion prior to 2011, I would be on your side telling the others that they don't know what they're talking about. Our spirits have been re-born. We are still waiting for our souls and body to be redeemed. When that happens, we will be perfect and will no longer have the need for gifts. God will not love you any less if you don't and will not love you any more if you do.

topher694 · Apr 20, 2019

Dave L said:
If you know how one denomination believes, you know how every member believes.

I think with this statement the argument has:

Natsumi Lam · Apr 20, 2019

Dave L said:
You still come out of the same mold or you wouldn't be on this thread.

Then why are you here? Fortunately, He is the potter and i the clay. He made me from the unicorn mold.

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