You must PROVE you LOVE the LORD to be saved!

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You throw in matters not pertinent.

Hardly. Jesus Himself said that we are to be perfect, just as our Heavenly Father is. That's what He said we have to be. We certainly would be perfect and fit for Heaven if we lived a perfect life as Jesus did. But since we are sinners, we cannot. So how to you reconcile that statement made by Jesus with your interpretation of other verses that tell us we have to love God enough, and obey enough of His commandments, and whatever other requirements you believe we need to follow to remain saved?
 
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You think the word of God changes with time? Later books are different than former??

It was BCsenior who was making the reference to Paul and the Book of John. I was simply pointing out that Paul couldn't have been aware of that verse in John because it wasn't even written yet.
 
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I guess I make the points that I have, even if they're not in agreement with whoever is arguing with me.
Not in agreement is not the issue. You introduce passages that have nothing to do with the matter being discussed.
 
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Hardly. Jesus Himself said that we are to be perfect, just as our Heavenly Father is. That's what He said we have to be. We certainly would be perfect and fit for Heaven if we lived a perfect life as Jesus did. But since we are sinners, we cannot. So how to you reconcile that statement made by Jesus with your interpretation of other verses that tell us we have to love God enough, and obey enough of His commandments, and whatever other requirements you believe we need to follow to remain saved?
Find me where I said we need to love God “enough” first.
 
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It was BCsenior who was making the reference to Paul and the Book of John. I was simply pointing out that Paul couldn't have been aware of that verse in John because it wasn't even written yet.
I believe that they who knew Jesus as they did thought the same. Paul’s writings did not disagree with John’s.
 
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I believe that they who knew Jesus as they did thought the same. Paul’s writings did not disagree with John’s.

They can think the same, but they don't have to use the exact same words. Either way, you can argue with BCsenior about it since it was his post you disagreed with.
 
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They can think the same, but they don't have to use the exact same words. Either way, you can argue with BCsenior about it since it was his post you disagreed with.
What difference do the exact words mean for those who seek truth? But yes, it’s BC.
 
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What difference do the exact words mean for those who seek truth? But yes, it’s BC.

Meanings can change when words are changed. It would explain so much of the bickering that goes on here.
 
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Meanings can change when words are changed. It would explain so much of the bickering that goes on here.
Words change the meaning very little if we read all that was written. It only matters if one edits some out in the first place.
 
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Words change the meaning very little if we read all that was written. It only matters if one edits some out in the first place.

Then let's get back to what I asked you about before. Since we are to be perfect, just as God the Father is perfect, how to we achieve that perfection?
 
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Then let's get back to what I asked you about before. Since we are to be perfect, just as God the Father is perfect, how to we achieve that perfection?
The whole question assumes we behave according to goals we want to achieve. That is a false concept. It would be better to set before one the desire to hear “well done” from the Father when we stand before him.
 
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Then you're saying we don't? If not, they what are you saying?
There is no goal as in “enough” to be achieved. When does a man need to love his wife enough? Is that a real question?
 
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The whole question assumes we behave according to goals we want to achieve. That is a false concept. It would be better to set before one the desire to hear “well done” from the Father when we stand before him.

Then the desire to hear "well done" fro the Father is what is needed to hear that rather than "depart from me", correct?
 
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There is no goal as in “enough” to be achieved. When does a man need to love his wife enough? Is that a real question?

Well, I don't know if you were saying it, and I'm not going to go back through all the postings here to find out, but the title of the thread started by BCsenior claims that we have to prove we love the Lord in order to be saved. You seem to have been in agreement with most of what he's said so far, so I assume you believed this as well. If not, then maybe you and I are in agreement about this.

What I believe is that if we believe in Jesus for the forgiveness of our sins and ask Him to be our Lord and Savior, He will put us on the right path to follow and will guide us to keep us there, and we don't become unsaved when we mess up. We are simply chastised and led back.
 
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... we don't become unsaved when we mess up. We are simply chastised and led back
What I've been writing for some time now is:

The NT warns in many verses about several things the BAC can do, which will send him on
his way to eternal death ... UNLESS he sincerely repents ... which we know means CHANGE and start on that narrow path doing God's will.
 
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Then the desire to hear "well done" fro the Father is what is needed to hear that rather than "depart from me", correct?
Do you not see that loving God is not the same as wanting to hear well or done or not wanting to hear depart?
 
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What I've been writing for some time now is:

The NT warns in many verses about several things the BAC can do, which will send him on
his way to eternal death ... UNLESS he sincerely repents ... which we know means CHANGE and start on that narrow path doing God's will.
Notice that they downgrade sin against others to merely "messing up" life forgetting to buy milk at the grocery store. Sin as in damaging the lives or well being of others unrighteously is merely "messing up".....unless someone sins againt them. Then it is NOT called "messing up" anymore.
 
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Well, I don't know if you were saying it, and I'm not going to go back through all the postings here to find out, but the title of the thread started by BCsenior claims that we have to prove we love the Lord in order to be saved. You seem to have been in agreement with most of what he's said so far, so I assume you believed this as well. If not, then maybe you and I are in agreement about this.
I do not think we need to prove our love for God. He does not demand this. He is not a tyrant. But we do need to love God with all our being. And we need to love our neighbors as ourselves. But we should not be measuing that nor thinking we need to measure it by any standards except the holy spirit within. His standard, if let free reign, is pretty high.
What I believe is that if we believe in Jesus for the forgiveness of our sins and ask Him to be our Lord and Savior, He will put us on the right path to follow and will guide us to keep us there, and we don't become unsaved when we mess up. We are simply chastised and led back.
If do not do what he asks us to do, he is not Lord. If he is not Lord, it might be doubtful if he is saviour. I don't know. But saying he is Lord or worse, singing it, does not make it so. Obeying him makes him Lord, nothing less.
 
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