Michele Bachmann: "Will ‘Never See a More Godly, Biblical President’ Than Trump"

JosephZ said:

I really wasn't sure which forum to post this in.

"Trump is highly biblical, and I would say to your listeners, we will in all likelihood never see a more godly, biblical president again in our lifetime." -- Michele Bachmann

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First of all, how can Trump be a highly biblical when he said Two Corinthians when he tried to quote the Bible? Secondly, how can he be a more godly, biblical president when he said he's never asked God for forgiveness for his sins and he doesn't believe adultery is a sin? I'm curious to know.

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“Do you think adultery is a sin?” Trump was asked in the February issue.

“Very good question,” he responded. According to the report at the time, Trump paused and then said: “I don’t think it’s a sin but I don’t think it should be done.”

The reporters pressed: “Would you do it?” After which, Trump coyly responded “I’ll let you guess.”

And that's not to mention his history of infidelity and womanizing, his sexual deviant behavior of groping women, his third marriage to his former mistress, his affair with a inappropriate content star, paying off that inappropriate content star, his perpetual habit of lying, his repeated use of profanity, his $25 million dollar fraudulent Trump University settlement, and his habitual habit of insulting people (alive or dead) he doesn't like.

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JosephZ said:

I really wasn't sure which forum to post this in.

"Trump is highly biblical, and I would say to your listeners, we will in all likelihood never see a more godly, biblical president again in our lifetime." -- Michele Bachmann

Thoughts?

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I wouldn't go so far as to say "godly", but from my limited and selective memories he's the most outspoken and unashamed Presidents to identify with Christianity and openly and actively support Christian faith and religious freedom in general. It is no secret he would end abortion, if it were solely up to him, and so far as politics are concerned, this is probably one of the most important issues to conservative/evangelical Christians. Whether Donald Trump is even a Christian or not is not the issue, the fact he stands with and behind in support of Christianity in America, maybe even over other faiths, makes me proud as a Christian to have him as President, and so easy to say God bless our President. For Christians who feel differently, it might be more constructive and edifying to pray for him. If you see him as unsaved, maybe pray God has mercy on his soul and saves a chief of sinners?

Sorry, but despite the extremities, it's hardly a topic to laugh about friends.

JosephZ said:

I really wasn't sure which forum to post this in.

"Trump is highly biblical, and I would say to your listeners, we will in all likelihood never see a more godly, biblical president again in our lifetime." -- Michele Bachmann

Thoughts?

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I have heard comments from other politicians that are much more dubious than that one.

As a controversy, it all depends on whether the speaker is of your political party...or the other fellow's party.

JosephZ said:

I really wasn't sure which forum to post this in.

"Trump is highly biblical, and I would say to your listeners, we will in all likelihood never see a more godly, biblical president again in our lifetime." -- Michele Bachmann

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I really hope we wont see any more biblical presidents in our lifetime.

Nithavela said:

I really hope we wont see any more biblical presidents in our lifetime.

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If Trump is the epitome of a biblical president, then the U.S. is much better off being non-religious.

Shiloh Raven said:

If Trump is the epitome of a biblical president, then the U.S. is much better off being non-religious.

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Trump and his disciples provide much evidence to that new atheist claim that the world would be much better off without religion.

bekkilyn said:

Trump and his disciples provide much evidence to that new atheist claim that the world would be much better off without religion.

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Agreed and your response reminded me of this quote: “The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians: who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.” - Brennan Manning

Shiloh Raven said:

Agreed and your response reminded me of this quote: “The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians: who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.” - Brennan Manning

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I believe that's been shown to statistically be the case as well (or at least very near the top) when various people are asked why they no longer go to church, are no longer Christians, are a "none", etc.

bekkilyn said:

Trump and his disciples provide much evidence to that new atheist claim that the world would be much better off without religion.

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I think for the sake of the Gospel here in the United States, the Christian faith must be disassociated with Trump. Sadly, I don't see him being disavowed by his most devoted conservative supporters.

Apologetic_Warrior said:

I wouldn't go so far as to say "godly", but from my limited and selective memories he's the most outspoken and unashamed Presidents to identify with Christianity and openly and actively support Christian faith and religious freedom in general. It is no secret he would end abortion, if it were solely up to him, and so far as politics are concerned, this is probably one of the most important issues to conservative/evangelical Christians. Whether Donald Trump is even a Christian or not is not the issue, the fact he stands with and behind in support of Christianity in America, maybe even over other faiths, makes me proud as a Christian to have him as President, and so easy to say God bless our President. For Christians who feel differently, it might be more constructive and edifying to pray for him. If you see him as unsaved, maybe pray God has mercy on his soul and saves a chief of sinners?

Sorry, but despite the extremities, it's hardly a topic to laugh about friends.

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He supports the Christian faith in the same way that Hitler did, wrapping himself in the robes while defiling all that Christianity stands for. If he were able to stay in charge he would remake the Christian Church in similar ways, leaving the vast majority an empty husk and the few who kept faith a persecuted minority.

keith99 said:

He supports the Christian faith in the same way that Hitler did, wrapping himself in the robes while defiling all that Christianity stands for. If he were able to stay in charge he would remake the Christian Church in similar ways, leaving the vast majority an empty husk and the few who kept faith a persecuted minority.

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"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." --- anonymous but falsely attributed to Sinclair Lewis.

Winston Churchill said: "The Americans will always do the right thing ---- after all other possibilities have been tried and found wanting".

keith99 said:

He supports the Christian faith in the same way that Hitler did, wrapping himself in the robes while defiling all that Christianity stands for. If he were able to stay in charge he would remake the Christian Church in similar ways, leaving the vast majority an empty husk and the few who kept faith a persecuted minority.

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He's turning Conservative (Evangelical) Christianity into tattered ruins is what he's doing. He's made a mockery out of the Republican Party's reputation of being the political party of Christian morality.

One good thing he has done is getting Christians and Atheists here agreeing.

keith99 said:

He supports the Christian faith in the same way that Hitler did,

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In what way would that be?

keith99 said:

wrapping himself in the robes while defiling all that Christianity stands for.

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In what way is he "defiling" Christianity? The Apostle Paul referred to himself as the "chief" of sinners. I am a sinner, saved by the grace and mercy of God. I am not there yet, I stumble, I fall, I sin, I repent, God is faithful to forgive the most vile of sinners. I am curious though, how you might know whether the President is repentant or not, and what kind of expectations you have of a sinner being saved?

keith99 said:

If he were able to stay in charge he would remake the Christian Church in similar ways, leaving the vast majority an empty husk and the few who kept faith a persecuted minority.

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Remake the Church? On what basis do you make such a claim? He's done nothing to change any Church that I'm aware of, absolutely nothing that involves beliefs.

I'm still wondering what church "robes" the president allegedly wraps himself in.

Shiloh Raven said:

He's turning Conservative (Evangelical) Christianity into tattered ruins is what he's doing. He's made a mockery out of the Republican Party's reputation of being the political party of Christian morality.

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Nah, if anything he's turned Christian legalism and moralists upside down, which I view as a turn towards grace and mercy, which should be the emphasis, it is what loving one another and forgiving one another is all about. Without forgiveness, Christianity is an empty shell of ancient rules and laws. Evangelical Christianity has been in ruins for years, long before Donald Trump took office.

Apologetic_Warrior said:

In what way is he "defiling" Christianity? The Apostle Paul referred to himself as the "chief" of sinners. I am a sinner, saved by the grace and mercy of God. I am not there yet, I stumble, I fall, I sin, I repent, God is faithful to forgive the most vile of sinners. I am curious though, how you might know whether the President is repentant or not, and what kind of expectations you have of a sinner being saved?

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Trump has said up front that he has not asked for forgiveness. He doesn't even regard adultery as sinful. I take him at his own words. To try to compare him to Paul is almost laughable.

JackRT said:

Trump has said up front that he has not asked for forgiveness. He doesn't even regard adultery as sinful. I take him at his own words. To try to compare him to Paul is almost laughable.

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Maybe you could provide video evidence? A secondary source will not do, especially from sources pushing the Russian collusion lies for two+ years. Sources do matter right?

Apologetic_Warrior said:

Maybe you could provide video evidence? A secondary source will not do, especially from sources pushing the Russian collusion lies for two+ years. Sources do matter right?

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You can do your own research, they have been posted often enough on various threads in this forum. As to whether or not Russian collusion is a lie, we simply don't know whether Trump was involved but some of his disreputable hirelings certainly were.

JackRT said:

Trump has said up front that he has not asked for forgiveness. He doesn't even regard adultery as sinful. I take him at his own words. To try to compare him to Paul is almost laughable.

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Maybe, but is THIS the best that anyone can come up with as todays outrage?

Is it also never understood that the more trivial the basis for the mock outrage gets, the less that people in general pay any attention to it?

Maybe...just maybe...if Michele Bachmann were at present a candidate for president, or were a former president or senator or governor or national party chair or international celebrity of some other sort, there might be some logic to this. But no.