Destroying the Disastrous Doctrine of Cessationism

Dave L said:

You are missing the message unless you understand the way Luke uses the term "Holy Spirit".

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How many baptisms does the Bible teach us?




JLB

JLB777 said:

I pray in tongues every day.


For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding. 1 Corinthians 14:14-15




JLB

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How long did it take you to learn?

JLB777 said:

How many baptisms does the Bible teach us?




JLB

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It depends on how you interpret Paul.

Dave L said:

How long did it take you to learn?

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I never learned.

Dave L said:

It depends on how you interpret Paul.

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That’s like asking how many ways are there to salvation?



JLB

JLB777 said:

I never learned.

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You must have heard about it from others?

Dave L said:

It depends on how you interpret Paul.

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There are three distinct and different baptisms.



JLB

Dave L said:

You must have heard about it from others?

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I was baptized with the Holy Spirit when I was young.


I was baptized in water years later.


When were you baptized in water?



JLB

JLB777 said:

I was baptized with the Holy Spirit when I was young.


I was baptized in water years later.


When were you baptized in water?



JLB

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What makes you think you are actually speaking in tongues? Have you ever studied the original gift from scripture?

Dave L said:

What makes you think you are actually speaking in tongues?

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What makes you think you are actually saved?




JLB

JLB777 said:

What makes you think you are actually saved?




JLB

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I believe in Jesus. And only those whom he saved can believe.

Dave L said:

I believe in Jesus. And only those whom he saved can believe.

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So you believe that He saves us first then we believe?



JLB

BCsenior said:

The Holy Spirit was sent to lead BACs
into all (spiritual) truth ... so it is quite
interesting why He is unable to get though
to some BACs about various important
spiritual truths! One reason would be
they actually do not have the Spirit.

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You are trying to sell long expired gifts to BACs who already have the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and know better.

Dave L said:

You are trying to sell long expired gifts to BACs who already have the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and know better.

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How do you know you have the baptism with the Holy Spirit?


What was the evidence that is seen or heard when you received it.


Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear. Acts 2:33



Jesus continues to pour out the Holy Spirit in these last days.


The Baptism with the Holy Spirit is the Promise of the Father.



And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Acts 1:4-5



JLB

JLB777 said:

How do you know you have the baptism with the Holy Spirit?


What was the evidence that is seen or heard when you received it.


Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear. Acts 2:33



Jesus continues to pour out the Holy Spirit in these last days.


The Baptism with the Holy Spirit is the Promise of the Father.



And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Acts 1:4-5



JLB

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If you have it you will know from experience.

Dave L said:

If you have it you will know from experience.

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When the Lord Jesus baptizes a person with the Holy Spirit, there is evidence that is seen or heard.


Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear. Acts 2:33



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While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.
Then Peter answered, “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days. Acts 10:44-48



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he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”
So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.”
And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?”
So they said, “Into John’s baptism.”
Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.”
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.
Acts 19:2-6




The New Testament scriptures are stacked against your “doctrine” of denial.




JLB

JLB777 said:

When the Lord Jesus baptizes a person with the Holy Spirit, there is evidence that is seen or heard.


Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear. Acts 2:33



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While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.
Then Peter answered, “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days. Acts 10:44-48



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he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”
So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.”
And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?”
So they said, “Into John’s baptism.”
Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.”
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.
Acts 19:2-6




The New Testament scriptures are stacked against your “doctrine” of denial.




JLB

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Only a handful in Acts spoke with tongues. The 12 Apostles in the Jewish outpouring, those they laid their hands on. And those few at the gentile outpouring 7 years later.