Surprised from the Mueller report

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The Surprises in the Mueller Report



‘The campaign certainly tried to collude’
Bradley P. Moss is a national security attorney in Washington

It is shocking how misleading and disingenuous the attorney general’s four-page letter, and his subsequent remarks at the press conference, turned out to be. The Mueller report identifies numerous instances of interactions with Russian nationals—by the Trump campaign or Trump associates—in an effort to gain hacked emails and to coordinate their dissemination. That may not be enough to warrant criminal conspiracy charges, but saying there was no collusion—as Barr did—is brazenly dishonest. The campaign certainly tried to collude.

Similarly, the attorney general’s description of the president’s lack of corrupt intent regarding obstruction is contradicted by the Mueller report. The president repeatedly tried to shut down or interfere with the investigation. He dangled pardons to try to get people to keep quiet. That he was saved by his aides’ willingness to ignore his rants and instructions is a weak defense. This matter will remain a stain on the Trump presidency going into 2020. Whether the public will care remains to be seen.....​

‘Americans should be proud of what we just witnessed’
Mark Zaid is executive director of the James Madison Project and a co-founder of Whistleblower Aid.

What was most intriguing from the report so far was the revelation that 14 criminal referrals had been made by the Office of Special Counsel to various U.S. Attorney's Offices and we had only publicly known of two of them. Clearly, Trump and his family are not out of potential hot water.....


‘If the attack were a bombing rather than a hacking, perhaps the magnitude of the problem would be clearer’
Justin Levitt is an associate dean at Loyola Law School and was a deputy assistant U.S. attorney general from 2015 to 2017.

The Mueller report makes unmistakably clear that Americans were attacked by foreign military units: specifically Russian “Military Units 26165 and 74455.” And it reminds us that the president and members of his campaign invited and welcomed those attacks, even if it did not arrange them, and that they were eager to profit from the proceeds of those attacks. That should be of immense concern. If the attack were a bombing rather than a hacking, perhaps the magnitude of the problem would be clearer. The hack was no less an attack than something more literally explosive.

We should all be disturbed by the lack of clarity regarding our ability—and our will—to deter similar future interference in our election process. And though I don’t know whether that will be the element of the Mueller report that matters most for the remainder of the Trump presidency, it should be.

Interesting article. So there are 12 investigations where we don't know who is being investigated.
 

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I was actually surprised at how damning even the redacted report ended up being to Donny. Barr either did a horrible cover-up job (entirely possible) or the unredacted report is even worse (also entirely possible).

As soon as I heard, though, that Barr was doing that Frank Drebin-esque "nothing to see here" presser long before the scheduled release of the report, I figured that it was probably not going to be good for them.
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It's funny that these unknown people (at least to me, though in fairness, I haven't been here much lately) keep popping out of the woodwork to assure us that "Russiagaters" are tin hatted fools.

These are definitely signs that there's nothing to see here, and the report that was released yesterday was totally exonerating.
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It's funny that these unknown people (at least to me, though in fairness, I haven't been here much lately) keep popping out of the woodwork to assure us that "Russiagaters" are tin hatted fools.

These are definitely signs that there's nothing to see here, and the report that was released yesterday was totally exonerating.
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The left-leaning news site The Intercept showed that Russiagate is nonsense. Robert Mueller Did Not Merely Reject the Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theories. He Obliterated Them.
 
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Glenn Greenwald. I'm not sure what his deal is, but he's been a weird sort of Trump lapdog/Russia disbeliever for a long time.

This statement

That’s precisely what he did: Mueller, in addition to concluding that evidence was insufficient to charge any American with crimes relating to Russian election interference, also stated emphatically in numerous instances that there was no evidence – not merely that there was insufficient evidence to obtain a criminal conviction – that key prongs of this three-year-old conspiracy theory actually happened. As Mueller himself put it: “in some instances, the report points out the absence of evidence or conflicts in the evidence about a particular fact or event.”

...is a lie. Inability to convict (which is the language the report used) is not the same thing as lack of evidence or a lack of a crime.

It's also easily debunked by parts of the report that Greenwald conveniently forgot:

Adam Klasfeld on Twitter
Hunter Walker on Twitter

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I think what I am most surprised by with the Mueller Report is that Trump and his administration told lies to the American People. And not just one negligible lie, but a whole bunch. He may have told upwards of eight lies!

My image of him is tarnished.
 
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Mueller report shows Russians, Trump camp were friends with benefits

To charge a criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, Robert Mueller decided he had to prove the existence of an explicit, corrupt agreement between the two sides. It wasn't enough, his report said, that the Trump campaign and Russia were acting out of mutual interest.

Mueller said he didn't find a conspiracy he could prove. But he did establish in painstaking detail that the Russians and the Trump campaign pursued a relationship of mutual benefit during the election campaign — and afterward.


Some might argue that verges on a different sort of collusion.

Of great concern to me is the extent at which Russia interfered with the election. Mueller Report Raises New Questions About Russia's Hacking Targets In 2016


While the headlines about special counsel Robert Mueller's report have focused on the question of whether President Trump obstructed justice, the report also gave fresh details about Russian efforts to hack into U.S. election systems.

In particular, the report said, "We understand the FBI believes that this operation enabled [Russian military intelligence] to gain access to the network of at least one Florida county government" during the 2016 campaign.

That came as news to Paul Lux, president of the Florida State Association of Supervisors of Elections — which has been working closely with federal authorities to protect their election systems against such attacks.
What has our government done about it?
 
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Mueller report shows Russians, Trump camp were friends with benefits

To charge a criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, Robert Mueller decided he had to prove the existence of an explicit, corrupt agreement between the two sides. It wasn't enough, his report said, that the Trump campaign and Russia were acting out of mutual interest.

Mueller said he didn't find a conspiracy he could prove. But he did establish in painstaking detail that the Russians and the Trump campaign pursued a relationship of mutual benefit during the election campaign — and afterward.


Some might argue that verges on a different sort of collusion.

Of great concern to me is the extent at which Russia interfered with the election. Mueller Report Raises New Questions About Russia's Hacking Targets In 2016


While the headlines about special counsel Robert Mueller's report have focused on the question of whether President Trump obstructed justice, the report also gave fresh details about Russian efforts to hack into U.S. election systems.

In particular, the report said, "We understand the FBI believes that this operation enabled [Russian military intelligence] to gain access to the network of at least one Florida county government" during the 2016 campaign.

That came as news to Paul Lux, president of the Florida State Association of Supervisors of Elections — which has been working closely with federal authorities to protect their election systems against such attacks.
What has our government done about it?

Ensured that more Florida counties go Trump's way in 2020?
 
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The left-leaning news site The Intercept showed that Russiagate is nonsense. Robert Mueller Did Not Merely Reject the Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theories. He Obliterated Them.
The subject of the article focuses on whether the Trump campaign knowingly coordinated with the Russians to interfere with the election. It cites from the report where Mueller could not find any conclusive evidence of such an endeavor. However there is circumstantial evidence such as Manafort's meetings with Kilimnik to deliver polling data and discuss the situation in the swing states of Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, and Pennsylvania in August of 2016.

This article you provided is actually propaganda since it infers from the beginning that the people reporting contacts with Russians publicly, while Trump campaign officials were saying that they never even happened, were somehow floating conspiracy theories. And it's also misleading to say that Mueller proved there was no coordination, when in fact he simply could not prove conclusively that there was. Moreover, it's numerous quotes are factually wrong about the overall reporting. Mueller actually corroborates what Trump was calling fakes news.

I think it's important to remember that people who believe lies to be true are going to be ruled by darkness, so it's important to not be fooled by propaganda. Notice that there's a big difference between saying Russia "tried" to interfere in the election, and Russia's interference was systematic and sweeping.
One of those lines is propaganda and one is the Truth.
 
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Mueller report shows Russians, Trump camp were friends with benefits

To charge a criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, Robert Mueller decided he had to prove the existence of an explicit, corrupt agreement between the two sides. It wasn't enough, his report said, that the Trump campaign and Russia were acting out of mutual interest.

Mueller said he didn't find a conspiracy he could prove. But he did establish in painstaking detail that the Russians and the Trump campaign pursued a relationship of mutual benefit during the election campaign — and afterward.


Some might argue that verges on a different sort of collusion.

Of great concern to me is the extent at which Russia interfered with the election. Mueller Report Raises New Questions About Russia's Hacking Targets In 2016


While the headlines about special counsel Robert Mueller's report have focused on the question of whether President Trump obstructed justice, the report also gave fresh details about Russian efforts to hack into U.S. election systems.

In particular, the report said, "We understand the FBI believes that this operation enabled [Russian military intelligence] to gain access to the network of at least one Florida county government" during the 2016 campaign.

That came as news to Paul Lux, president of the Florida State Association of Supervisors of Elections — which has been working closely with federal authorities to protect their election systems against such attacks.
What has our government done about it?
Yeah, because the mainstream media didn't lie to us before.
 
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