Mueller says messaging apps likely destroyed Trump-Russia evidence

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Mueller says messaging apps likely destroyed Trump-Russia evidence

The special counsel’s office “learned that some of the individuals we interviewed or whose conduct we investigated — including some associated with the Trump Campaign deleted relevant communications or communicated during the relevant period using applications that feature encryption or that do not provide for long term retention of data or communication records,” the report said. “In such cases the Office was not able to corroborate witness statements through comparison to contemporaneous communications or fully question witnesses about statements that appeared inconsistent with the other known facts.”​
 

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Mueller says messaging apps likely destroyed Trump-Russia evidence

The special counsel’s office “learned that some of the individuals we interviewed or whose conduct we investigated — including some associated with the Trump Campaign deleted relevant communications or communicated during the relevant period using applications that feature encryption or that do not provide for long term retention of data or communication records,” the report said. “In such cases the Office was not able to corroborate witness statements through comparison to contemporaneous communications or fully question witnesses about statements that appeared inconsistent with the other known facts.”​
“Likely” here likely means “did” but “we can’t let it out that not only does the NSA have all of the encrypted (yea, verily and the decrypted) messages, because the rabbits will get wise and take steps to avoid our snares!”
 
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Whataboutism and a deliberate ad nauseam attempt to deflect criticism from Trump.

By asking if some sort of app destroyer is similar to bleach bit when it comes to destroying this sort of evidence?
 
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He investigated and found nothing. But wanting something... he says that there isn't evidence because some app "likely" deleted the information but he has no proof of that either. This whole thing comes out of a hatred for a man and a desire to force one ideology on all Americans!
 
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“Likely” here likely means “did” but “we can’t let it out that not only does the NSA have all of the encrypted (yea, verily and the decrypted) messages, because the rabbits will get wise and take steps to avoid our snares!”
Well, there needs to be more guidelines are laws updated to make it so that all snapchats, tweets etc, related to government business needs to be retained and saved like paper documentation.
 
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He investigated and found nothing. But wanting something... he says that there isn't evidence because some app "likely" deleted the information but he has no proof of that either. This whole thing comes out of a hatred for a man and a desire to force one ideology on all Americans!
No, not exactly. He was not exonerated at all. There is a higher standard for criminal conspiracy. Destroying evidence doesn't help.
 
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He investigated and found nothing. But wanting something... he says that there isn't evidence because some app "likely" deleted the information but he has no proof of that either. This whole thing comes out of a hatred for a man and a desire to force one ideology on all Americans!
Well, that and the fact that the only reason to “include” that snippy, “likely ‘deleted’...” (by Meuller) was the fact that encrypted messages were deleted, perhaps by a foreign national, (though not subject to our laws when not on our soil).
 
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No, not exactly. He was not exonerated at all. There is a higher standard for criminal conspiracy. Destroying evidence doesn't help.
Nobody said he destroyed evidence... they said it was LIKELY he did. There is NO EVIDENCE of conclusion and NO EVIDENCE he is connected to Russia in the ways it was claimed to get this thing started to begin with. But they WANT there to be evidence... so this will continue because they won't support him no matter what.
 
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Nobody said he destroyed evidence... they said it was LIKELY he did. There is NO EVIDENCE of conclusion and NO EVIDENCE he is connected to Russia in the ways it was claimed to get this thing started to begin with. But they WANT there to be evidence... so this will continue because they won't support him no matter what.
It doesn't matter. There are plenty of reasons to oppose Trump besides the Russian business. Now that he thinks he's been completely exonerated he will no doubt give us even more reasons.
 
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Nobody said he destroyed evidence... they said it was LIKELY he did. There is NO EVIDENCE of conclusion and NO EVIDENCE he is connected to Russia in the ways it was claimed to get this thing started to begin with. But they WANT there to be evidence... so this will continue because they won't support him no matter what.

There isn't the evidence of criminal conspiracy as fitting the bar Mueller set for that, but there is lots of evidence of collusion in the Mueller report - that Russia interfered on behalf of Trump and that the Trump campaign was expecting electoral benefits from Russia's hacking.

We already know that Jared and Ivanka and Trump are using personal phones for government business that are not secured. That there could be unsecured communication over social media is not a shock at all.
 
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or communicated during the relevant period using applications that feature encryption

Oh well, they used encryption. I guess that's it, we can't see or decrypt the messages.

Darn.

Who would have thought to use encryption when communicating with Russian nationals?
 
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Used it on platforms that destroy communications after a certain time - which, if it is governmental business, violates the law about documentation of official activities.

The Trump administration already learned they cannot rip government documents up.

Richard Nixon Is the Reason President Trump's Aides Have to Repair Documents He Rips Up
President Trump reportedly has a habit of ripping up documents after he’s done with them, a tendency that has sent aides scrambling to quite literally pick up the pieces.

In line with his self-professed desire to metaphorically tear up Washington institutions, the President has apparently declined to adhere to the decades-old law — and even longer-standing tradition — that requires the preservation of presidential documents, leaving aides scrambling to tape them back together, according to a report in Politico.

Longtime government officials developed a system to mend documents after Trump finished with them, sending the pieces to record management to be taped back together before being sent them to the National Archives, according to Politico.

“I had a letter from [Senate Minority Leader Chuck] Schumer — he tore it up,” Solomon Lartey, one of the officials in record management who restored the documents but was terminated this past spring, told Politico. “It was the craziest thing ever. He ripped papers into tiny pieces.”

No, the president can't destroy records. Here's why.


The Presidential Records Act, which Congress passed back in 1978, was meant to deal precisely with this because Richard Nixon had said, "No, all those Watergate tapes, they're my personal property. I can do anything I want to with them." And Congress said, "Nope, that's not right. If you're working for the taxpayer, the records belong to the taxpayer." Where the big disputes are is how much review the courts can have over what the president does and how much people like us at the National Security Archive can intervene. We've got a lawsuit right now about the White House visitor logs because this business with the interpreter's notes, it's not the first time President Trump has tried to push the envelope shall we say, or rip up the envelope.​
 
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Mueller says messaging apps likely destroyed Trump-Russia evidence

The special counsel’s office “learned that some of the individuals we interviewed or whose conduct we investigated — including some associated with the Trump Campaign deleted relevant communications or communicated during the relevant period using applications that feature encryption or that do not provide for long term retention of data or communication records,” the report said. “In such cases the Office was not able to corroborate witness statements through comparison to contemporaneous communications or fully question witnesses about statements that appeared inconsistent with the other known facts.”​
Don't worry. If Trump crosses Putin. We will see the deleted memos. If there's any. But it's quite obvious Trump tried to stop this investigation. I just don't believe an innocent man, would try so hard to stop an investigation .
 
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After someone has been cleared by an investigation, and there was not even enough evidence to charge them with the crime, continuing to construct scenarios by which they are guilty but we just couldn't get them is a bit of a faux pas, isn't it?

Imagine if your son was briefly investigated for an arson and then I wrote a news article emphasizing how we can't really know because he uses Telegram. Who knows what we would've found if he didn't use a secure communication app! There could've been stuff there!

It'd be grasping at straws and considered highly inappropriate & wildly speculative journalism.
 
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“Likely” here likely means “did” but “we can’t let it out that not only does the NSA have all of the encrypted (yea, verily and the decrypted) messages, because the rabbits will get wise and take steps to avoid our snares!”

Eh. Doubtful.
 
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Don't worry. If Trump crosses Putin. We will see the deleted memos. If there's any. But it's quite obvious Trump tried to stop this investigation. I just don't believe an innocent man, would try so hard to stop an investigation .
Why not? People are wrongly convicted and unfairly have their names drug through the mud all the time.
 
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Nobody said he destroyed evidence... they said it was LIKELY he did. There is NO EVIDENCE of conclusion and NO EVIDENCE he is connected to Russia in the ways it was claimed to get this thing started to begin with. But they WANT there to be evidence... so this will continue because they won't support him no matter what.

You’re another one....haven’t read a single word of the report, have you..?

Just parroting what you’ve been told to say...
 
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