Is it impossible to lose your salvation?

Gods not mad said:

ok take your time.

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Meanwhile can you answer my questions, please?

frogoon234 said:

I would be careful telling people they can lose their salvation.

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I would be careful assuring them they can’t no matter what they do or fail to do.

Dorothy Mae said:

Sounds like laziness. Where does Jesus promise he is keeping you faith for you and you don’t need to obey, take care, pray, give, love or anything but convince yourself he does it all for you?

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we will go with a very easy one john 3:16. so in walking in covenant with God through faith to obey to take care to pray to love are all coming from a relationship. if it comes from a works mentality how is that sonship but law.

Dorothy Mae said:

Well this u your exciting day as I will answer your questions as long as you don’t offer questions based on untruth. So, what do you think I believe about salvation and eternal destiny? What do you think my part is in the matter? I said what I think you think (do nothing but think right) so what do I believe, please?

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what? what untruth call it out use scripture what are you talking about. ok this is my point i have no problem answering questions but for some reason mine are never addressed. so what do i think you believe about salvation? you are saved and on your way you heaven if your trust is in the Lord to cover your sins i'm assuming thtis is your stance but you also believe that if you do not perform or please God with your daily actions you may be disciplined harshly or if it were to continue you would lose that salvation. this is not sonship. your part in what matter? the last sentence i could not make out.

Dorothy Mae said:

What is a blood marriage?

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reread the statement i'll add the period as i should have first off. sonship is blood. marriage is an agreement.

the question about repentance really should take no more than two sentences i'm not asking for a seminary breakdown of the topic. what does repentance look like? what do you do when you repent?

see how this goes the osac people are accused of being crazy people but no one will take the time to address our questions seriously while i have no problem with talking about your scriptures if and when they are brought up. like i said i spent 20 years believing your way.

Dorothy Mae said:

Meanwhile can you answer my questions, please?

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thought you were busy on the road.

Dorothy Mae said:

I would be careful assuring them they can’t no matter what they do or fail to do.

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my point right here in your remarks. your stance is that you are walking perfect by the law. you are fulfilling or trying to fulfill what Christ has already conquered in his finished work on the cross. so you feel the need to beat people over the head with the requirements of the law. how do you see one having the mind of Christ? is it that that mind has been imparted to us as a gift and we grow by letting the word cleanse us by faith in the perfect and holy one, or is it that you have that mind by discipline in your works and trying really hard. my point is you do know that the mind of Christ NEVER sinned ever. so when you say no matter what they do or fail to do you set yourself up as an example of being on par with the savior. so when was the last time you failed. someone who can call out others in self righteousness should be able to prove themselves. i take the same stance as paul did i am the chief of sinners. the things i want to do i dont the things i dont want to do i do. paul was HUMAN who knew he needed Christ and because all his trust was in the savior wow look how God honored him you know the many scriptures about God exalting the humble but bringing the proud low. why did he honor him because all glory went back to the savior. why does God want it this way because Jesus is the one who paid the price and deserves it not us. so when we try to accomplish or aid in salvation by our good works not those through faith but those works to help us be redeemed it is a slap in the face of the one who did pay the price.

interested in your answer on repentance.

Dorothy Mae said:

I would be careful assuring them they can’t no matter what they do or fail to do.

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ok. pray for me and pray for them. i disagree. i don't believe the opposing position is Biblical.

MDC said:

So God needs our consent now huh?

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Always has. That's what it means to say "yes" rather than "no".

MDC said:

So where is that in scripture?

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All throughout. Whenever we're asked to choose, to obey God's will/command, to choose between obedience or non-obedience in Eden, between life or death, good or evil, whether to love God and neighbor or not, to refrain from sin or not, to be holy, to believe, to remain in Him, to strive and persevere or not, etc, etc, etc, etc.

MDC said:

And what purpose is lost exactly?

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There's no reason for man to even hear the Word if the only outcome was determined from the beginning, if man's choice is not involved at all. God would be worse than satan if all He did was to create some beings who couldn't help but sin, thereby creating all the evil and strife that has occurred in this world, and later decide to simply save some of the wretches and damn the rest, as if all the drama between Eden and now had no purpose whatsoever, no purpose of allowing man to be exposed to evil so that he may at least be able to compare and contrast it to the good, the good he can witness in creation first of all and witness ultimately in the fulfillment of all good that may be observed in the light that came into the world 2 millenia ago, the very Source of all good, so that he may finally choose.

MDC said:

A choice is just an action or desire that is a result of ones hearts disposition. Man is dead in sin. At enmity with God. Romans 8:7.

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And so this is the reason: God stirs and awakens the dead, He appeals to the good, His own image, within them; He offers them the light. We can remain dead, asleep, lost, but He'd never have allowed all the evil to begin with if He was just going to decide for us which way we'll go.

MDC said:

This is where your pelagian beliefs show. Sinners don’t seek the true God. There is none that seeketh after God. Romans 3:11. Not wothout His help, His grace. The will is in subjection to ones nature. A dead sinner cannot will himself to rest in Christ and forsake his sin. It’s contrary to his nature. It is why one must be born again of the Spirit.

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This is where you have it too black & white-and not aligned with actual experience in life. Man's nature didn't change; he still has the same basic human nature that he was given in Eden. He's fallen now, asleep, wounded, corrupted, compromised, sick, lost: the chief characteristic of the state of Original Sin, of man's "death", is separation from God, 'Apart from Whom man can do nothing.' He didn't inherit some new "sin nature". He "just" needs to be reconciled with God so that justice and order and integrity may begin to prevail in him again. A tall order, this is why Jesus came; this is why He suffered, to reveal the true God:
"Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." John 17:3

So that we may finally choose God, when the time is ripe. So that we may reverse the decision, within ourselves, that Adam made. And continue to make and strengthen that decision for God throughout our lives, by how we believe and how we live and how we love.

Gods not mad said:

my point right here in your remarks. your stance is that you are walking perfect by the law.

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Whete do you get that idea from what I wrote?

you are fulfilling or trying to fulfill what Christ has already conquered in his finished work on the cross.

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You don’t know me st all.

so you feel the need to beat people over the head with the requirements of the law.

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What law did I beat someone with? Love God?

how do you see one having the mind of Christ?

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Easy. Their thinking matches Christ’s.

is it that that mind has been imparted to us as a gift and we grow by letting the word cleanse us by faith in the perfect and holy one, or is it that you have that mind by discipline in your works and trying really hard.

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It’s not a gift for sure. Doesn’t come by works either.

my point is you do know that the mind of Christ NEVER sinned ever.

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Huh?

so when you say no matter what they do or fail to do you set yourself up as an example of being on par with the savior. so when was the last time you failed.

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No I don’t set myself up as anything. You just accuse me.

someone who can call out others in self righteousness should be able to prove themselves. i take the same stance as paul did i am the chief of sinners. the things i want to do i dont the things i dont want to do i do. paul was HUMAN who knew he needed Christ and because all his trust was in the savior wow look how God honored him you know the many scriptures about God exalting the humble but bringing the proud low.

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Where did Paul write, “I did not need to do anything cause all my trust is in christ to do everything for me.”

why did he honor him because all glory went back to the savior. why does God want it this way because Jesus is the one who paid the price and deserves it not us. so when we try to accomplish or aid in salvation by our good works not those through faith but those works to help us be redeemed it is a slap in the face of the one who did pay the price.

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Pretty sure God doesn’t feel slapped in the face when we give a thirsty child a cup of cold Water...or visit those in prison...or feed the hungry...

interested in your answer on repentance.

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First you answer my questions to you. You seem intent on falsely accusing me of wrong.

SeventhFisherofMen said:

I just was curious about those posts online about people who have died that were Christian and experienced going to Hell..

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Satan is not myth.
And we have to be wise when we consider that Those who follow him, will use any device to ensnare and deceive unbelievers and believers.
So, "online" is a snake pit from hell. It offers you inappropriate content, Christ haters, and every imaginable and unimaginable type of lier who has created an impressive blog page or website.
If you go there looking to find a professional liar, who is lying about Jesus, or the Bible, and they use Videos, Scriptures, and any other device.......are you actually surprised?
Don't be.
Wake up.

frogoon234 said:

ok. pray for me and pray for them. i disagree. i don't believe the opposing position is Biblical.

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If you tell a man he needs to love God and man, what harm have you done? If you tell a man he doesn’t need to do anything including loving anyone, what good have you done?

IMO, we have to understand that faith is not an escape from the obligation for man to be obedient or righteous, rather it's the authentic means to it. Because faith establishes relationship or communion with God, the relationship that Adam broke, the relationship man cannot have any true, satisfying, abundant life without.

We're justified via faith, because the resulting communion, itself, is a chief aspect of man's justice or righteousness which then opens the door to the "righteousness of God" that man was created to possess, a righteousness most fully described and defined by the term "love", God's very own nature that we're to be transformed into.

Gods not mad said:

my point right here in your remarks. your stance is that you are walking perfect by the law.

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You made that up.

if you disagree, would you please show us where you got that idea, and I'll give benefit of the doubt/hold further comment on why you would do that until after you answer.

Dorothy Mae said:

A reprobate is a pretty love level of moral behaviour. It is not merely one who no longer believes although those who choose that kind of behaviour no longer believe for sure unless they bought into OSAS. Then they can be a reprobate in their mind and still go to Heaven. That is, of course, very sad.

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It is sad, and the term does mean a few things. Without getting into that, I use it as God does in the bible.

Dorothy Mae said:

I would be careful assuring them they can’t no matter what they do or fail to do.

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At this point in time i'm not worried about it. I checked the forum rules and i can post my email in my profile. If you feel compelled by the Holy Spirit to convert me from my current denomination to your denomination then do it by either sending me a private message (these private message systems work funny sometimes) or send me an email as the email in my profile. I don't feel it necessary to argue/discuss/philosophize/or use the forum out in the open. There are plenty of people on here who might want to hear what you have to say about this subject. I feel if you want to convert me to your brand of Christianity then you should do it privately.

frogoon234 said:

At this point in time i'm not worried about it. I checked the forum rules and i can post my email in my profile. If you feel compelled by the Holy Spirit to convert me from my current denomination to your denomination then do it by either sending me a private message (these private message systems work funny sometimes) or send me an email as the email in my profile. I don't feel it necessary to argue/discuss/philosophize/or use the forum out in the open. There are plenty of people on here who might want to hear what you have to say about this subject. I feel if you want to convert me to your brand of Christianity then you should do it privately.

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I have no wish to convert anyone and I don’t have a denomination.

It’s not the forum you will answer to on judgement day.

Kenny'sID said:

It is sad, and the term does mean a few things. Without getting into that, I use it as God does in the bible.

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Pretty sure God means rebrobate to mean VERY low level of moral
behavior.

Dorothy Mae said:

I have no wish to convert anyone and I don’t have a denomination.

It’s not the forum you will answer to on judgement day.

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I was very polite. I gave you an offer to send me a private message or email me. Don't goad me. I don't know how you act on any given day and you don't know how i act on any given day. Either take my offer of trying to convince me privately or don't but don't goad me or i will report you to the forum admin. If the forum admin has a problem with this message then i'll find one of the other 1000s of other forums on the internet. Do not goad me.

frogoon234 said:

I was very polite. I gave you an offer to send me a private message or email me. Don't goad me.

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I’m not goading you. You said if I want to convert you I should send a private message. I responded I don’t want to convert you so why should I send a private message?

I don't know how you act on any given day and you don't know how i act on any given day.

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Ok, never said any different.

Either take my offer of trying to convince me privately or don't but don't goad me or i will report you to the forum admin.

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Huh? I have no idea where this is coming from.

If the forum admin has a problem with this message then i'll find one of the other 1000s of other forums on the internet. Do not goad me.

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The admin leaves A LOT to be desired here, as raw power seems to go to the head easily in man. Don’t hang any hopes on their fairness or justice. This is a tyranny in operation. But they probably all are. Absolute power corrupts.

I’m just responding to your post.

Dorothy Mae said:

I’m not goading you. You says if I want to convert you I should send a private message. I responded I don’t want to convert you so why should I send a private message?
Ok, never said any different.
Huh? I have no idea where this is coming from.
The admin leaves A LOT to be desired here, as raw power seems to go to the head easily in man. Don’t hang any hopes on their fairness or justice. This is a tyranny in operation.

I’m just responding to your post.

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ok thats fine. you did imply i had something major to fear on judgement day. Perhaps we all do but .....

I'll just ignore your posts in the future. I'll see you in heaven unless we meet in person some day which is probably doubtful.