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Here's a clip from a film, the clip is based on a story in The Acts of Peter which was probably written some time in the second half of the second century AD. The relevant section says:
35 And as they considered these things, Xanthippe took knowledge of the counsel of her husband with Agrippa, and sent and showed Peter, that he might depart from Rome. And the rest of the brethren, together with Marcellus, besought him to depart. But Peter said unto them: Shall we be runaways, brethren and they said to him: Nay, but that thou mayest yet be able to serve the Lord. And he obeyed the brethren's voice and went forth alone, saying: Let none of you come forth with me, but I will go forth alone, having changed the fashion of mine apparel. And as he went forth of the city, he saw the Lord entering into Rome. And when he saw him, he said: Lord, whither goest thou [quo vadis] thus (or here) And the Lord said unto him: I go into Rome to be crucified. And Peter said unto him: Lord, art thou (being) crucified again He said unto him: Yea, Peter, I am (being) crucified again. And Peter came to himself: and having beheld the Lord ascending up into heaven, he returned to Rome, rejoicing, and glorifying the Lord, for that he said: I am being crucified: the which was about to befall Peter.​
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27Wmmt5LQT4
It struck me that the film makers made the young lad seem to be experiencing a charismatic gift (not tongues in this case) that didn't engage his mind but only his voice and language. It's interesting. The film was made in 1951, before the current charismatic movement began but well after the pentecostal movement began.

Any thoughts on the clip, the ancient text, and the film maker's approach?
 

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in Matthew 28:20 Jesus said he will be with the apostles until the end of the AGE. The same (Old covenant) age is that would end with the destruction of the physical temple in 70ad according to Matthew 24:3.

The risen Jesus appeared to Paul on the road to Damascus in about 35ad. And he appeared once again to Peter on the road out of Rome. In about 65ad (quo vadis). He may have appeared once again to John on the island of Patmos the following year 66ad when Revelation was written.

To my knowledge, there are no reports even legendary of any sightings after 70ad?

 
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I like the movie Quo Vadis. I watched it in my youth on TV, already being obsessed with Rome back then. I remember this specific scene quite well.

Nero is well acted therein, I think, too: "oh omniferous power" as he sings in the film. I think they only substituted a boy for Peter's vision in order to not have to either represent Christ or His voice directly. Probably a smart decision.

Obviously not biblical, but certainly entertaining. A Petrine vision to go to his martyrdom in Rome certainly doesn't seem impossible on the face of it.
 
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I thought for a moment MoreCoffee was back.

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And yes, people have encountered Christ after the destruction of the Temple.

If you mean only to the Apostles, then yes, He did appear to the Apostle John the Beloved near the end of his life, which was the end of the period of time during which the Apostles lived.
 
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I thought for a moment MoreCoffee was back.

Resurrected thread ...

And yes, people have encountered Christ after the destruction of the Temple.

If you mean only to the Apostles, then yes, He did appear to the Apostle John the Beloved near the end of his life, which was the end of the period of time during which the Apostles lived.
John was written while Jerusalem still existed, prior to 70 AD (according to Tradition while he was in Ephesus circa 64 AD):

John 5:2
Now there is in Jerusalem by the Sheep Gate a pool, which is called in Hebrew, Bethesda, having five porches​

Revelation was written under the 6th emperor of pagan Rome, Nero (r. 54-68 AD) (according to Tradition while he was exiled to Patmos after miraculously surviving being boiled in oil in the Colosseum during the Neronian persecution, which miracle converted all the Romans attending that day, and probably turned the tide of public opinion against further persecutions of Christians, ultimately probably circa 66-67 AD):

Revelation 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666...

Revelation 17:9-10
Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time.​
 
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John was written while Jerusalem still existed, prior to 70 AD (according to Tradition while he was in Ephesus circa 64 AD):

John 5:2
Now there is in Jerusalem by the Sheep Gate a pool, which is called in Hebrew, Bethesda, having five porches​

Revelation was written under the 6th emperor of pagan Rome, Nero (r. 54-68 AD) (according to Tradition while he was exiled to Patmos after miraculously surviving being boiled in oil in the Colosseum during the Neronian persecution, which miracle converted all the Romans attending that day, and probably turned the tide of public opinion against further persecutions of Christians, ultimately probably circa 66-67 AD):

Revelation 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666...

Revelation 17:9-10
Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time.​
I was replying that Christ had indeed appeared to people. I'm not sure what your point is.

And I'm not sure why you rated my post for prayers. But thanks for prayers. :)
 
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I was replying that Christ had indeed appeared to people. I'm not sure what your point is.

And I'm not sure why you rated my post for prayers. But thanks for prayers. :)
Quo Vadis legend has Saint Peter encountering the risen Christ outside of Rome circa 65 AD, and Revelation has Saint John encountering Christ on Patmos circa 66-67 AD

Both the Gospel of John and Revelation clearly speak of Jerusalem and its temple in the present tense, implying the same was still standing at the time of writing, hence prior to 70 AD

I pray that Scripture is allowed to speak for itself, as opposed to being spoken for by modern minimalist "scholars, who seek to push as much of the NT, as far out of the first century, as the rest of humanity allows them to
 
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Quo Vadis legend has Saint Peter encountering the risen Christ outside of Rome circa 65 AD, and Revelation has Saint John encountering Christ on Patmos circa 66-67 AD

Both the Gospel of John and Revelation clearly speak of Jerusalem and its temple in the present tense, implying the same was still standing at the time of writing, hence prior to 70 AD

I pray that Scripture is allowed to speak for itself, as opposed to being spoken for by modern minimalist "scholars, who seek to push as much of the NT, as far out of the first century, as the rest of humanity allows them to
Ah thanks for explaining.

Yes I was only addressing the question about whether people encountered Christ. The Scriptures speak of John the latest, but Tradition indeed includes other mentions.

And if one isn't asking strictly about the Apostles, people sometimes still encounter Christ, over the centuries since the Apostles. But those of course must be CAREFULLY examined, as the enemy will attempt deception as well.

God be with you.
 
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Quo Vadis legend has Saint Peter encountering the risen Christ outside of Rome circa 65 AD, and Revelation has Saint John encountering Christ on Patmos circa 66-67 AD

Both the Gospel of John and Revelation clearly speak of Jerusalem and its temple in the present tense, implying the same was still standing at the time of writing, hence prior to 70 AD


Yet Nowhere in Rev does John describe anyone destroying the city or temple. The only time the city is damaged is from an earthquake and only a 10th of it fallen. So, AD70 does not fit in with anything John saw regarding the rule of the AC and the great tribulation which ends with the second coming just as Christ said in the gospels that he would return immediately after the tribulation further proving the GT is not related to what happened in AD70.
 
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