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And "selected Congressmen and their staffs" will get to look at the report, but can't actually touch it or get a copy. They'll be able to come into a secure place, look at whatever version Barr wants them to see, and then leave. No copies can be taken.

I don't think that's going to fly.

But it's another confirmation that the report isn't what Barr was telling us.
 
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And "selected Congressmen and their staffs" will get to look at the report, but can't actually touch it or get a copy. They'll be able to come into a secure place, look at whatever version Barr wants them to see, and then leave. No copies can be taken.

I don't think that's going to fly.

But it's another confirmation that the report isn't what Barr was telling us.

So Mueller's report says Trump is neck deep in collusion with the Russians but Barr is publicly lying about it?
 
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So Mueller's report says Trump is neck deep in collusion with the Russians but Barr is publicly lying about it?
Yep. MSNBC and CNN ratings are tanking so they have to move on to the newest conspiracy.
 
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So Mueller's report says Trump is neck deep in collusion with the Russians but Barr is publicly lying about it?

So far, we know that Trump and Barr really, really don't want us to see what's in it.

Why that is, we can only speculate. It's a sure thing that any attempt to keep Congress in the dark will be a disaster for the Trump WH.
 
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If it matched his summary, he wouldn't be trying to find ways to hide it.
Well Barr is following the appropriate statutes. If you listened to him today you would know he did none of the redacting. The sources of the information did so.

So Barr is no idiot and won’t listen to the background noise asking him to break the law.

The Democrats and some media have been riding this hoax investigation for two years have nothing but saw dust and have to salvage some sense of dignity politically. The problem is they are now attacking the very man and document they waited for with baited breath.

The best thing the Democrats can do now is focus on their loser field of candidates and come up with some unified voice for 2020 other than “Trump.”

But they won’t.
 
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With the exception of a few black outs, isn't this the report? HERE
I think he speaks of some of the un-redacted portions the House and Senate Judiciary committees will be able to see but not discuss or copy. But of course there will be and are already leaks.
 
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So far, we know that Trump and Barr really, really don't want us to see what's in it.

Why that is, we can only speculate. It's a sure thing that any attempt to keep Congress in the dark will be a disaster for the Trump WH.

Actually, I watched the new conference and they spoke about how things are going to be released.

They spoke about the copy that congress will see, and what parts are redacted and why. Select committee will be able to go into a secure setting to see the unredacted version minus the grand jury stuff - due to the law. Sounds like the people will also be viewing the redacted version as well.

Not sure what you think they are hiding, and that we won't be able to read enough to get idea of things. People have speculated for years now, and now they have the some truths. They will pick that apart too.

They spoke about the Presidential privileges that he has a right to in order to keep some things redacted, and didn't take advantage of that either.

So, which part sounds they 'really really' don't want us to see what's in it?
 
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So far, we know that Trump and Barr really, really don't want us to see what's in it.

Why that is, we can only speculate. It's a sure thing that any attempt to keep Congress in the dark will be a disaster for the Trump WH.
It’s been released publicly. What’s to hide? Trump could have held back a lot of the report by claiming executive privilege. He did not.
 
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Not sure what you think they are hiding, and that we won't be able to read enough to get idea of things. People have speculated for years now, and now they have the some truths. They will pick that apart too.
Trump could have claimed executive privilege for some of the more embarrassing portions that the press is now reporting. But he did not.

Seems this release is quite transparent.
 
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If it matched his summary, he wouldn't be trying to find ways to hide it.
Again. It’s Mueller's report and Barr and Trump did none of the redacting.

I think this is an exercise in the Leftist media and Democrats not seeing the tall tales they created and promoted was actually in the report.
 
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Again. It’s Mueller's report and Barr and Trump did none of the redacting.

Well, that's not the case, it seems...
White House and Justice Dept. Officials Discussed Mueller Report Before Release

I think this is an exercise in the Leftist media

I don't think that's going to work for you. Barr and Trump were colluding over report.

And we don't know yet what Mueller reported. All we know is that Barr and Trump are inexplicably reluctant to let anyone other than the WH know what's in it. He's apparently hoping that he'll be able to refuse Congress even a redacted copy.

And now, no more talk about exoneration. I think you can connect the dots. Let's see how much Barr decides to hide from the public.
 
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Trump could have claimed executive privilege for some of the more embarrassing portions that the press is now reporting. But he did not.

I'm supposing that someone told him what happened when Nixon tried that one.
 
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And "selected Congressmen and their staffs" will get to look at the report, but can't actually touch it or get a copy. They'll be able to come into a secure place, look at whatever version Barr wants them to see, and then leave. No copies can be taken.
On TV, he said they did not find evidence that any American colluded with Russia to mess with the American election. Also, he said they did not have proof that Donald is guilty of obstruction of the investigation. Also, he said Donald did not use privileges to hold back any information which he did have the legal right to hold back.

And the investigation includes information which needs to be classified, for national security and the safety of certain people.

So, I think it is honest to speak well of the fact that not all information will be released, since this can be good for national security and the safety of certain people.

And it is clear they looked at it and concluded there was no collusion by any American. This should be spoken of well, I would think, by honest reporters who are glad that no American was found to be colluding with the Russians. And they did not find proof of Donald doing any obstruction. So, it is honest to have hope that this is true . . . especially if we are loyal to the Constitution by presuming an accused innocent until proven guilty.

But if anyone is a personal witness of otherwise, you can report this.

There are people, maybe, who want to believe Donald is guilty of these things. But they need to have evidence, don't they? Or else they are in violation of the United States Constitution which requires they present evidence. And an American loyal to the United States Constitution will presume Donald innocent until and if a court finds him guilty. Plus, if we are loyal and informed citizens, we do not judge an accused person's present case by one's past crimes and performance. A past crime does not prove a present accusation, if I understand basic Constitutional law correctly.

Then, of course, we now can observe how well Donald and other candidates uphold these basics of Constitutional law . . . in how they speak about one another.
 
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In an extensive 448-page report sent to Congress Thursday, the former FBI director detailed dozens of instances in which Russian operatives interacted with Trump associates, although he ultimately found no evidence that the campaign worked with Russia in the end.

Although Russia “perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency” and the campaign “expected it would benefit electorally” from Russian hacking efforts, “the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities,” the report said.

When investigators began looking into Russian influence operations, however, Mueller found that Trump attempted to interfere with the investigation in a number of ways, from firing FBI Director James Comey to trying to limit its scope.

Mueller’s team ultimately declined to make a typical prosecutorial recommendation on whether Trump committed obstruction of justice, although they noted that if they could have cleared him, they would have.

“If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment,” the report said.

After reviewing the report in March, Attorney General William Barr and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein announced that they had decided that Trump did not, in fact, obstruct justice, a decision criticized by Democrats in Congress.
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Trump ordered a White House lawyer to fire Mueller

Three days after the media first reported that Mueller was investigating Trump for obstruction of justice, the President ordered former White House lawyer Don McGahn to fire Mueller, but McGahn declined.

Trump called McGahn at his home on June 17, 2017, according to phone records. He ordered McGahn to call the acting attorney general and tell him that Mueller had conflicts of interest and needed to be removed, saying something to the effect of, “You gotta do this. You gotta call Rod [Rosenstein],” McGahn told investigators.

McGahn wasn’t worried about Mueller’s supposed conflicts of interest, and found them to be “silly” and “not real,” the lawyer told investigators.

McGahn told Mueller that he decided that he would rather resign, because he didn’t want to end up like “Saturday Night Massacre Bork” — a reference to Solicitor General Robert Bork, who fired a special prosecutor at President Richard Nixon’s request during the Watergate scandal, setting off a massive political firestorm.

The report noted that many of Trump’s efforts that could be considered obstruction of justice never came to pass.

“The President’s efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests,” the report said.

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After reports emerged in early 2018 that Trump had ordered McGahn to fire Mueller, the President told his aide Rob Porter to ask McGahn to tell the press that he’d never received the order. McGahn again declined, telling Porter that the media reports were true.

Later, the President met with McGahn and asked him to deny that he’d been ordered to remove Mueller.
“I never said to fire Mueller. I never said ‘fire.’ This story doesn’t look good. You need to correct this. You’re the White House Counsel,” Trump said, according to McGahn and former Chief of Staff John Kelly.


Trump also asked McGahn why he had told Mueller about the effort to fire the special counsel, and also why he had decided to take notes during their conversations.

“What about these notes? Why do you take notes? Lawyers don’t take notes. I never had a lawyer who took notes,” Trump said.
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During a press briefing on May 10, 2017, White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders defended Trump’s decision to fire Comey by saying that “the rank and file of the FBI had lost confidence” in him.

A reporter then noted that a number of agents disagreed with that contention, but Sanders defended it.

“Look, we’ve heard from countless members of the FBI that say very different things,” she replied.

But under oath with Mueller’s team, Sanders conceded that she had not heard from any agents, calling it a “slip of the tongue.”
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Two days after James Comey refused to deny that the Trump was under investigation during a 2017 congressional hearing, Trump told his family and advisors that he was planning to remove the FBI Director, according to senior advisor Stephen Miller.
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Trump also insisted that Comey’s resignation letter declared that Trump wasn’t personally under investigation.

Trump later told Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, “I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job. I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off ….. I’m not under investigation,” according a New York Times report cited by the Mueller investigation.
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Barr confirmed that he had shared a redacted version of the Mueller report with White House lawyers.
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Congressional Democrats have indicated that they will push for the release of the entire report. On April 3, the House Judiciary Committee authorized a subpoena for the full report, in addition to all “underlying evidence and related matters.”

Nadler said Wednesday evening that he would have no problem enforcing the subpoena “in short order” if he did not receive these documents.

Here Are the Biggest Takeaways From the Mueller Report
 
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Mueller’s team ultimately declined to make a typical prosecutorial recommendation on whether Trump committed obstruction of justice, although they noted that if they could have cleared him, they would have.
This seems to fit with someone saying there was not enough to indict Donald, but also they did not have enough to clear him.
 
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So Mueller's report says Trump is neck deep in collusion with the Russians but Barr is publicly lying about it?
For the Attorney General to absolve this President of "collusion" is totally misleading, as the head of the Department of Justice he should be well aware that "collusion" is not considered a criminal offense and that the Mueller Investigation was never tasked with making that case!
 
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So Mueller's report says Trump is neck deep in collusion with the Russians but Barr is publicly lying about it?
I've definitely noticed the wording Barr used. He seems to be playing to the White House instead of legalese. Collusion isn't the term which prosecutors use. Conspiracy is.

There was definitely collusion but it doesn't seem to have risen to the point of criminal conspiracy.
 
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