You must PROVE you LOVE the LORD to be saved!

Aldebaran · Apr 18, 2019

Dorothy Mae said:
Do you have children? If one of them started beating, molesting and eventually murdering the other children, would you still not tell the evil one to leave? Do you think this just? Is this a loving father? He lets the abusive one terrorize the others cause he can’t get out of that one being a son? And if he sends him away, does he cease to be a son? Can’t a son end up in jail or hell and remain a son?

Can a son of God end up in hell and remain a son? Let's see how Paul addresses that....

"Now if we are children, then we are heirs--heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory." Romans 8:17

Dorothy Mae said:
The requirements are real. What do you think the requirements of salvation are?

We've just been talking about that this entire time.

Aldebaran · Apr 18, 2019

Dorothy Mae said:
Only if you think Jesus’ warning was nothing special. He warned but it really wasn’t anything, was it? If you think Jesus can’t warn about losing what he gave including salvation, why did he bother to earn at all?

It can be special without referring to salvation itself. A personal relationship and the peace that comes with it is quite special.

Dorothy Mae · Apr 18, 2019

Aldebaran said:
You make it sound like God changes His mind very easily. But even Paul recognizes this to be untrue.

No, there always were conditions. “If you, then I” is very common. By the way, do you think God decides to save some and changes his mind???

"And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession--to the praise of his glory." Ephesians 1:13-14

”Do not quench the Holy Spirit”....a fire quenched is out. If the Holy Spirit is quenched, the seal is gone.

Aldebaran · Apr 18, 2019

Dorothy Mae said:
In Rev Jesus broke some seals. Day of redemption still hasn’t come. The description is not the day of redemption.

The Book of Revelation describes that day.

Dorothy Mae · Apr 18, 2019

Aldebaran said:
Can a son of God end up in hell and remain a son? Let's see how Paul addresses that....

"Now if we are children, then we are heirs--heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory." Romans 8:17

If we refuse to share in his sufferings.....then we aren’t children of God. Notice the requirements?

Dorothy Mae · Apr 18, 2019

Aldebaran said:
The Book of Revelation describes that day.

Please show me where it talks about redemption when He opens the seals?

Aldebaran · Apr 18, 2019

Dorothy Mae said:
No, there always were conditions. “If you, then I” is very common. By the way, do you think God decides to save some and changes his mind???

No. God is not flighty.

Dorothy Mae said:
”Do not quench the Holy Spirit”....a fire quenched is out. If the Holy Spirit is quenched, the seal is gone.

Let's assume that's true. Then what should the person do to get re-saved?

Dorothy Mae · Apr 18, 2019

Aldebaran said:
It can be special without referring to salvation itself. A personal relationship and the peace that comes with it is quite special.

Salvation and relationship with God are not separated. Do you think one is saved with no relationship with God?

Aldebaran · Apr 18, 2019

Dorothy Mae said:
If we refuse to share in his sufferings.....then we aren’t children of God. Notice the requirements?

Do you think we really have a choice? If we belong to Him, then we belong to Him along with everything that goes with that.

Dorothy Mae · Apr 18, 2019

Aldebaran said:
No. God is not flighty.

Correct. The requirements were always there. If we do not fulfill them, the promises are not ours. Has been since the beginning.

Let's assume that's true. Then what should the person do to get re-saved?

You don’t understand the theology that believes there are conditions. I have yet to meet an OSAS believer who does.

Aldebaran · Apr 18, 2019

Dorothy Mae said:
Salvation and relationship with God are not separated. Do you think one is saved with no relationship with God?

Then it sounds like our parents on Earth are more understanding and forgiving than God is, if what you're saying is correct. And yet Jesus used the Prodigal Son parable to describe God's relationship to His children.

Dorothy Mae · Apr 18, 2019

Aldebaran said:
Do you think we really have a choice? If we belong to Him, then we belong to Him along with everything that goes with that.

If we decide sin is better and we don’t want to belong to him, he lets us go. Jesus let the 70 go. They belonged to him and decided to leave. He let them leave.

Aldebaran · Apr 18, 2019

Dorothy Mae said:
Correct. The requirements were always there. If we do not fulfill them, the promises are not ours. Has been since the beginning.

I was answering your question, "By the way, do you think God decides to save some and changes his mind???"

Dorothy Mae · Apr 18, 2019

Aldebaran said:
Then it sounds like our parents on Earth are more understanding and forgiving than God is, if what you're saying is correct. And yet Jesus used the Prodigal Son parable to describe God's relationship to His children.

I know parents who kicked their criminal son out of the house for the sake of the other children. I guess you think God is too squimish to do this.

Aldebaran · Apr 18, 2019

Dorothy Mae said:
I know parents who kicked their criminal son out of the house for the sake of the other children. I guess you think God is too squimish to do this.

Did the son stop being their son?
Clearly not! Although Jesus said we're to be "perfect" as our Heavenly Father is perfect, He obviously doesn't expect us to achieve perfection by following a bunch of rules. That's because we are only perfect because of Christ's gift to us by what He did on the cross. It is NOT achieved by our loving God a sufficient amount.

Matthew 5:48 "Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

BCsenior · Apr 18, 2019

Aldebaran said:
Believing on Jesus Christ is how we are saved, and we remain His forever.

You're going to have to OPEN up to
at least the possibility that ...
your belief in red is very dangerously incorrect.

Aldebaran · Apr 18, 2019

BCsenior said:
You're going to have to OPEN up to
at least the possibility that ...
your belief in red is very dangerously incorrect.

Acts 16:30-31
He then brought them out and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved--you and your household."

Anything else you want to say is "dangerously incorrect"?

BCsenior · Apr 18, 2019

Dorothy Mae said:
No, there always were conditions.
“IF you do this, then I will do that”
is very common.
By the way, do you think God decides to save some and changes his mind???

IMO, God decides to give some a chance,
and does everything in His power to help them
become overcomers.

BUT ... ultimately it's up to them and their
free will choices to cooperate, be obedient, and etc.

I know, I know ... WOW!
But, that's what I see in Scripture.
Sorry, no room to give 1000 proof verses.
My name's not Jason.

BCsenior · Apr 18, 2019

Aldebaran said:
"Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved--you and your household."

You've already been warned that you have absolutely
no idea what the NT belief and faith really mean.

WHY aren't you OPEN to considering the other
dozens of NT verses which are opposed to yours?

IMO, must be because of unbelief in God's word.

You must reconcile ALL of the NT verses, or you're toast.

Aldebaran · Apr 18, 2019

BCsenior said:
You've already been warned that you have absolutely
no idea what the NT belief and faith really mean.

WHY aren't you OPEN to considering the other
dozens of NT verses which are opposed to yours?

Maybe for the same reason you won't consider the dozens that have been shown to you that refute what you continue to claim.

BCsenior said:
IMO, must be because of unbelief in God's word.

Be careful.

You must PROVE you LOVE the LORD to be saved!

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