Who loses their Salvation, and for "what" do they lose it for...?

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"If you have a point", then please "get to the point" and spell or spit it out for us, would you...

God Bless!

I was very clear on the point, and you just helped make it again by asking me what the point was several times, when it's right there in front of you. The same point is as it's been all along, pretending not to understand when you are confronted with the truth. It would bother some of us to be that dishonest, it's basically lying. Then again, some of us attempt to be obedient to God and as some of you have made clear, you don't feel you have to.
 
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That’s great for you, but there are those who assume they’re going to heaven no matter how they live. They are deceived. That’s the point.

I believe they are deceived by choice. You likely know that, as well as the following so this is not necessary directed at you, I only like to make it clear every now and then for those who are searching for the truth. The evidence OSASr's know perfecly well thy haven't a leg to stand on is in their posts, where when they are backed into a corner with no way our and no way to refute the truth, they do some of the strangest things, like:

1) Find an excuse to be mad at their adversary and pretend they aren't talking to them anymore because of something they did, which of course did not happen, but it gets them out of the jam they are in.

2) They suddenly lose grip on the most basic common sense, and they can no loner understand even a simple sentence, but only if it's to their advantage not to understand, they understand perfectly when it's something useful to them.

3)They ignore your post completely like Carl just did/others have done, and/or they skip all or whatever questions in a post that it would incriminate them to answer.

I could go on, but those make my point that they are aware of exactly what's going on, else they wouldn't avoid just the things they know exposes them. I've seen it so many times I'm absolutely convinced they know, but they hold on to it because it's more fun to act how we like and still go to heaven and not have to do good because that requires an action, and what Christ/God did for them clearly is evidently not worth their being obedient to them.

An "all about us" world born of such extreme selfishness, they have no trouble teaching this very dangerous theology to the innocent who seek the truth, and maybe drag them down with them.
 
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3)They ignore your post completely like Carl just did/others have done, and/or they skip all or whatever questions in a post that it would incriminate them to answer.
Which post did I ignore?

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How can many "fall away" from what they never had in the first place, except maybe before men anyway, but, "God", or (truly) with God, not so much, with "some" of them...
Exactly. They can only fall away from a real faith they truly had. Jesus is not interested in a “faith before men” whatever that means. He never mentioned it.

And if it was before men, I guess they might say that one had fallen away, if he fell (in their eyes) (or from their perspective or viewpoint) but then, I think they, or he, or she, never truly had it to begin with...

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What a complex net you weave. There is no such thing as a “faith before men” as far as Jesus is concerned. No one in the Bible describes such either. What is that?

There is only faith and some who have it lose it. Real faith really lost.
 
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Blessings,

Carl Emerson.
Odd that you falsely quote that which I never wrote and then wrote “blessings.”

You really should be honest enough not to bear false witness against me. I never wrote what you wrongly put in quotes. This is not a blessing to anyone including God.
 
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I believe they are deceived by choice. You likely know that, as well as the following so this is not necessary directed at you, I only like to make it clear every now and then for those who are searching for the truth. The evidence OSASr's know perfecly well thy haven't a leg to stand on is in their posts, where when they are backed into a corner with no way our and no way to refute the truth, they do some of the strangest things, like:

1) Find an excuse to be mad at their adversary and pretend they aren't talking to them anymore because of something they did, which of course did not happen, but it gets them out of the jam they are in.

2) They suddenly lose grip on the most basic common sense, and they can no loner understand even a simple sentence, but only if it's to their advantage not to understand, they understand perfectly when it's something useful to them.

3)They ignore your post completely like Carl just did/others have done, and/or they skip all or whatever questions in a post that it would incriminate them to answer.

I could go on, but those make my point that they are aware of exactly what's going on, else they wouldn't avoid just the things they know exposes them. I've seen it so many times I'm absolutely convinced they know, but they hold on to it because it's more fun to act how we like and still go to heaven and not have to do good because that requires an action, and what Christ/God did for them clearly is evidently not worth their being obedient to them.

An "all about us" world born of such extreme selfishness, they have no trouble teaching this very dangerous theology to the innocent who seek the truth, and maybe drag them down with them.
The enemy couldn’t stop the Gospel and so corrupted it rendering believers absorbed in their own salvation promising that no matter what evil they engage in.
 
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Odd that you falsely quote that which I never wrote and then wrote “blessings.”

You really should be honest enough not to bear false witness against me. I never wrote what you wrongly put in quotes. This is not a blessing to anyone including God.



Frankly I haven't a clue what you are talking about...

I find it sad that you attribute malice so easily.

If I have done something wrong it is a complete accident, my intent was to copy your response and add my comments in bold so the reader would undersand who was talking.

I apologise for any mistake of course...

And yes my intent is always to bless...

Blessings,

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Frankly I haven't a clue what you are talking about...

I find it sad that you attribute malice so easily.

If I have done something wrong it is a complete accident, my intent was to copy your response and add my comments in bold so the reader would undersand who was talking.

I apologise for any mistake of course...

And yes my intent is always to bless...

Blessings,

Carl Emerson.
You need to learn how things are done so that you don’t attach my name to what you said.

If the problem is one of ignorance, (which you don’t admit stating merely “if” you’ve done so not that) then you need to Start your response AFTER mine, not in between.

And it would have been better to humbly admit you don’t understand how to correctly answer a post but need to learn instead of attacking my character being “sad” I attributed malice. If you had admitted your error His grace would have been yours. But that you proudly refused, no grace is released.

Accusing me of malice, frankly speaking, was outright malice on your part. But I’ve dealt with OSAS believers before. They easily play accuser of the brethren.
 
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You need to learn how things are done so that you don’t attach my name to what you said.

If the problem is one of ignorance, (which you don’t admit stating merely “if” you’ve done so not that) then you need to Start your response AFTER mine, not in between.

And it would have been better to humbly admit you don’t understand how to correctly answer a post but need to learn instead of attacking my character being “sad” I attributed malice. If you had admitted your error His grace would have been yours. But that you proudly refused, no grace is released.

Accusing me of malice, frankly speaking, was outright malice on your part. But I’ve dealt with OSAS believers before. They easily play accuser of the brethren.
Dorothy - Can you point out where I accidently attributed my words to you please. I was careful to make all my contribution in Bold type to avoid this... did I slip up somewhere?

I invited you to show me where I had attributed my words to you - I still dont know...

I am sorry you consider me proud - I am unsure how you can reach this conclusion without any face to face contact of familiarity with My life.

It is not unusual to respond with embedded text, if this is upsetting and I have violated some protocol I am sorry.

I am glad I don't ultimately need your grace although it would be nice. As His word says - be at peace with all - as far as it is possible.

I did not accuse you of malice.

I said I was sad that you attributed malice to me - you may see that if you read my post again.

It seems you think all OSAS believers are evil or something - this is definitely sad.

Blessings,

Carl Emerson.
 
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Back to topic - if we are instructed to humbly correct those who sin - how does that sit with the claim that we loose salvation by sinning. Paul released a believer for heinous sin that he might be saved.

Blessings,

Carl Emerson.
 
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Dear Carl Emerson,

I will explain to you how we respond to Posts in an online discussion so that EVERYONE knows who said what.

Dorothy - Can you point out where I accidently attributed my words to you please. I was careful to make all my contribution in Bold type to avoid this... did I slip up somewhere?

I invited you to show me where I had attributed my words to you - I still dont know...

I am sorry you consider me proud - I am unsure how you can reach this conclusion without any face to face contact of familiarity with My life.

It is not unusual to respond with embedded text, if this is upsetting and I have violated some protocol I am sorry.

I am glad I don't ultimately need your grace although it would be nice. As His word says - be at peace with all - as far as it is possible.

I did not accuse you of malice.

I said I was sad that you attributed malice to me - you may see that if you read my post again.

It seems you think all OSAS believers are evil or something - this is definitely sad.

Blessings,

Carl Emerson.

Please respond AFTER the last "[ / Q U O T E ]" which tells everyone else that YOU wrote the message. If you put your words BEFORE the last code that indicates my words or done, it means you are saying I wrote that. If does not matter if they are bold or green or blue. They are contained within my Quote and can be rightfully attributed to me if somone decides to do this.

It is like writing, Dottie said, "you Need to stop putting you words in my box, BUT I DID NOT" and you deciding bold is you although no one else knows it. Who knows who is writing what and there are rules so that we can see, everyone who reads it, who wrote what. That you know that bold means your words tells the rest of the world nothing at all.

Now please consider this when responding to posts. Write your words OUTSIDE of the box that I wrote. Anything else is dishonest and I already explained this to you.

Your accusing me of attributing malice to you is malice itself. I did not do so accuse you of malice. You made that up. I said what you did was dishonest. That is not malice. That you were ignorant was not clear at the Point and I am not sure that is the reason anymore.

I never said OSASers are evil. Please stop falsely accusing me of accusing you of wrong. You accuse me of calling some evil, something I never did. The theology is evil. Those who believe it are not and I never said they were.

You Need to stop falsely accusing others of evil and malice if you truly mean to be a Blessing. Accusing others of evil intent is not a Blessing.
 
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Back to topic - if we are instructed to humbly correct those who sin - how does that sit with the claim that we loose salvation by sinning. Paul released a believer for heinous sin that he might be saved.

Blessings,

Carl Emerson.
I think you mean "lose" not loose salvation. Those are two different words with two different meanings. No one says you lose salvation by sinning. You do not understand the theology that you are trying to disagree with. It would be better to understand what you do not agree with first.
 
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FWIW at this point, I've never observed Carl having anything but high standards in his postings, standing for what he believes without personally attacking anyone or displaying any ill intent, whether or not his posting skills could stand improvement, and regardless of whether or not I agree with his theology. JMHO
 
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FWIW at this point, I've never observed Carl having anything but high standards in his postings, standing for what he believes without personally attacking anyone or displaying any ill intent, whether or not his posting skills could stand improvement, and regardless of whether or not I agree with his theology. JMHO
Saying someone’s intent is malicious is NOT a high standard. Falsely Accusing others of saying some are evil is not a high standard. Sorry but these responses are not of a high moral level. False accusations are not of a high standard. If he’d said simply “I’m sorry, WHAT did i do wrong!” that would have been better.
 
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Carl, please just write YOUR answer after the last [ / q u o t e ]
There is a way to break up the other’s post but it’s more complicated. As a believer you are obligated to present the words of the other accurately. That is honesty.
 
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How then do you loose your salvation in your opinion?

Blessings,

Carl Emerson.
Same as a person losing their marriage, by slow but repeated choices that shipwreck the relationship. It happens as the believer decides the pleasures this world offers or the troubles it brings are more than they want to bear by obedience to Christ. They decide in small choices that cumulative become a life direction. Same as losing a marriage. Not easy. Not instant. But possible through neglect.
 
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Back to topic - if we are instructed to humbly correct those who sin - how does that sit with the claim that we loose salvation by sinning. Paul released a believer for heinous sin that he might be saved.
Blessings,
Carl Emerson.
To break up a quote place quote blocks around the text e.g. [QU0TE="Carl"]Back to the topic[/QU0TE] and it will appear as
Carl said:
Back to the topic
You can also use plain quotes without a name e.g. [QU0TE]Back to the topic[/QU0TE]
appears as
Back to the topic
 
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Same as a person losing their marriage, by slow but repeated choices that shipwreck the relationship. It happens as the believer decides the pleasures this world offers or the troubles it brings are more than they want to bear by obedience to Christ. They decide in small choices that cumulative become a life direction. Same as losing a marriage. Not easy. Not instant. But possible through neglect.
Well you said
No one says you lose salvation by sinning.
And what you have described above clearly is sinning.

So How much sinning is allowed before you lose your salvation???

Blessings.

Carl Emerson.
 
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