Is it impossible to lose your salvation?

Jonaitis · Apr 17, 2019

SeventhFisherofMen said:
I just was curious about those posts online about people who have died that were Christian and experienced going to Hell. Do people really think that it’s all made up and you shouldn’t listen to those testimonies? Do people really think it’s impossible to lose your salvation? Cause there are many testimonies of people who have seen the names of some believers removed from the book of life due to backsliding and unrepentant sin.

Tell me what you think about all this, is it something that you just ignore and hope they’re wrong? Please explain what you do to convince yourself of the Once Saved Always Saved doctrine.

I don't believe those stories. The ordinary preaching is sufficient to warn men of that dreadful place, for "if they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead" (Luke 13:31).

I do believe it is impossible to lose your salvation. In fact, we read in Revelation that the names written in the book of life were written before the foundation of the world (Rev. 13:8). Those written to be saved will be saved, and those not found therein will not be saved.

What convinces me of the doctrine known as Perseverance of the Saints, Eternal Security, or commonly known as Once Saved Always Saved is the Scriptures themselves that says that "all that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out" (John 6:37), and, "And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day" (John 6:39), and many other such passages. Salvation belongs to God alone.

mark kennedy · Apr 17, 2019

There is not such thing as once saved always saved, it's a strawman argument. Eternal security is synonymous with eternal life, if it's not forever it's not salvation and never was.

Rescued One · Apr 17, 2019

HTacianas said:
So all that business about willful sin and Judgement and fire consuming adversaries was written to a group of Christians for what?

To teach them. We're supposed to hide the word of God in our hearts. If we aren't obeying Him, we don't know if we are saved.

2 Timothy 3
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

HTacianas · Apr 17, 2019

Phoebe Ann said:
To teach them. We're supposed to hide the word of God in our hearts. If we aren't obeying Him, we don't know if we are saved.

2 Timothy 3
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

To teach them what, exactly? A man writes a letter to a group of people to teach them something but the wording of the letter is meaningless? What lesson are they to learn from it?

Maria Billingsley · Apr 17, 2019

SeventhFisherofMen said:
I just was curious about those posts online about people who have died that were Christian and experienced going to Hell.

This is only in their imagination. Think about it. If they were dead they would not come back to life. They were not dead just disposed to another state for a while. Science has not caught up to this state of being but one day they will.

Maria Billingsley · Apr 17, 2019

SeventhFisherofMen said:
Do people really think it’s impossible to lose your salvation?

The condition you described is not an example of someone loosing their salvation upon their temporary death with an imaginary trip to hell. The way to loose your salvation is to reject Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Blessings

Monk Brendan · Apr 17, 2019

SeventhFisherofMen said:
I just was curious about those posts online about people who have died that were Christian and experienced going to Hell. Do people really think that it’s all made up and you shouldn’t listen to those testimonies? Do people really think it’s impossible to lose your salvation? Cause there are many testimonies of people who have seen the names of some believers removed from the book of life due to backsliding and unrepentant sin.

Tell me what you think about all this, is it something that you just ignore and hope they’re wrong? Please explain what you do to convince yourself of the Once Saved Always Saved doctrine.

Who says that these visions are valid and accurate.

Do they actually think that God will reveal His ultimate judgement to them before the time?

Gregory Thompson · Apr 17, 2019

Monk Brendan said:
Who says that these visions are valid and accurate.

Do they actually think that God will reveal His ultimate judgement to them before the time?

Reminds me of
Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Apr 17, 2019

SeventhFisherofMen said:
I just was curious about those posts online about people who have died that were Christian and experienced going to Hell. Do people really think that it’s all made up and you shouldn’t listen to those testimonies? Do people really think it’s impossible to lose your salvation? Cause there are many testimonies of people who have seen the names of some believers removed from the book of life due to backsliding and unrepentant sin.

Tell me what you think about all this, is it something that you just ignore and hope they’re wrong? Please explain what you do to convince yourself of the Once Saved Always Saved doctrine.

I am actually rather curious to see where this conversation goes. I used to be strongly against OSAS. I believed that the book of life is written in pencil and the only person with the eraser is you. However, I am really not quite sure that is the case. Now it seems to me that the answer is yes. Once saved, always saved. However, there are a lot of people who truly believe that they are saved because they said some prayer and are deceived to following a false Gospel. There are also a lot of people who call themselves Christians who are actually closet atheists trying to hide their skepticism.

worshipjunkie · Apr 17, 2019

This is a very good explanation on the topic.

Question: "Can a Christian lose salvation?" Can a Christian lose salvation?

Answer: First, the term Christian must be defined. A “Christian” is not a person who has said a prayer or walked down an aisle or been raised in a Christian family. While each of these things can be a part of the Christian experience, they are not what makes a Christian. A Christian is a person who has fully trusted in Jesus Christ as the only Savior and therefore possesses the Holy Spirit (John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Ephesians 2:8–9).

So, with this definition in mind, can a Christian lose salvation? It’s a crucially important question. Perhaps the best way to answer it is to examine what the Bible says occurs at salvation and to study what losing salvation would entail:

A Christian is a new creation. “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!” (2 Corinthians 5:17). A Christian is not simply an “improved” version of a person; a Christian is an entirely new creature. He is “in Christ.” For a Christian to lose salvation, the new creation would have to be destroyed.

A Christian is redeemed. “For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect” (1 Peter 1:18–19). The word redeemed refers to a purchase being made, a price being paid. We were purchased at the cost of Christ’s death. For a Christian to lose salvation, God Himself would have to revoke His purchase of the individual for whom He paid with the precious blood of Christ.

A Christian is justified. “Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” (Romans 5:1). To justify is to declare righteous. All those who receive Jesus as Savior are “declared righteous” by God. For a Christian to lose salvation, God would have to go back on His Word and “un-declare” what He had previously declared. Those absolved of guilt would have to be tried again and found guilty. God would have to reverse the sentence handed down from the divine bench.

A Christian is promised eternal life. “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16). Eternal life is the promise of spending forever in heaven with God. God promises, “Believe and you will have eternal life.” For a Christian to lose salvation, eternal life would have to be redefined. The Christian is promised to live forever. Does eternal not mean “eternal”?

A Christian is marked by God and sealed by the Spirit. “You also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory” (Ephesians 1:13–14). At the moment of faith, the new Christian is marked and sealed with the Spirit, who was promised to act as a deposit to guarantee the heavenly inheritance. The end result is that God’s glory is praised. For a Christian to lose salvation, God would have to erase the mark, withdraw the Spirit, cancel the deposit, break His promise, revoke the guarantee, keep the inheritance, forego the praise, and lessen His glory.

A Christian is guaranteed glorification. “Those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified” (Romans 8:30). According to Romans 5:1, justification is ours at the moment of faith. According to Romans 8:30, glorification comes with justification. All those whom God justifies are promised to be glorified. This promise will be fulfilled when Christians receive their perfect resurrection bodies in heaven. If a Christian can lose salvation, then Romans 8:30 is in error, because God could not guarantee glorification for all those whom He predestines, calls, and justifies.

A Christian cannot lose salvation. Most, if not all, of what the Bible says happens to us when we receive Christ would be invalidated if salvation could be lost. Salvation is the gift of God, and God’s gifts are “irrevocable” (Romans 11:29). A Christian cannot be un-newly created. The redeemed cannot be unpurchased. Eternal life cannot be temporary. God cannot renege on His Word. Scripture says that God cannot lie (Titus 1:2).

Two common objections to the belief that a Christian cannot lose salvation concern these experiential issues: 1) What about Christians who live in a sinful, unrepentant lifestyle? 2) What about Christians who reject the faith and deny Christ? The problem with these objections is the assumption that everyone who calls himself a “Christian” has actually been born again. The Bible declares that a true Christian will not live a state of continual, unrepentant sin (1 John 3:6). The Bible also says that anyone who departs the faith is demonstrating that he was never truly a Christian (1 John 2:19). He may have been religious, he may have put on a good show, but he was never born again by the power of God. “By their fruit you will recognize them” (Matthew 7:16). The redeemed of God belong “to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God” (Romans 7:4).

Nothing can separate a child of God from the Father’s love (Romans 8:38–39). Nothing can remove a Christian from God’s hand (John 10:28–29). God guarantees eternal life and maintains the salvation He has given us. The Good Shepherd searches for the lost sheep, and, “when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders and goes home” (Luke 15:5–6). The lamb is found, and the Shepherd gladly bears the burden; our Lord takes full responsibility for bringing the lost one safely home.

Jude 24–25 further emphasizes the goodness and faithfulness of our Savior: “To Him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy—to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.”

Kenny'sID · Apr 17, 2019

SeventhFisherofMen said:
I just was curious about those posts online about people who have died that were Christian and experienced going to Hell. Do people really think that it’s all made up and you shouldn’t listen to those testimonies? Do people really think it’s impossible to lose your salvation? Cause there are many testimonies of people who have seen the names of some believers removed from the book of life due to backsliding and unrepentant sin.

IMO, it's pretty safe to say all of those people are lying for the purpose of getting followers, and/or their money of just attention...there could be several reasons they do that. People just love the supernatural, and to them the simple word of God isn't enough so to buy into that junk it makes Christianity more exciting. Also, it makes people think they are following someone extra holy if they can do supernatural things so it works out perfecly for getting followers. A lot like teaching Once saved Always Saved works for them...Build a better religion and the world will beat a path to your door.

SeventhFisherofMen said:
Tell me what you think about all this, is it something that you just ignore and hope they’re wrong?

I don't ignore them and hope they're wrong, I know they are wrong so i ignore them. I don't even bother to read about them or watch their videos anymore.

SeventhFisherofMen said:
Please explain what you do to convince yourself of the Once Saved Always Saved doctrine.

Nothing, I think it's lie... of course we can lose salvation. Following is a verse they I've been using lately to prove it. But before I post it, there are those that see the simple scripture there as something else and it doesn't prove we can lose salvation...I can point you to some of their posts if you like, they go completely delusional and any really good argument you put in front of them, they find a way to convince themselves not to understand it. My point PLEASE, do not get caught up in that, I've seen what it does to people because they want to believe the easy way so badly they really do go wonky. It's actually a bit scary to watch them.

James 5:19-20 New International Version (NIV)
19 My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, 20 remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.

Rescued One · Apr 17, 2019

Do you believe 2 Tim. 3:16?
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works,

Even Christians can become discouraged. We are here to encourage one another.

Hebrews 6:4-6
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

People have a tendency to stop at verse 6, but we ought to go on reading:

Hebrews 6
9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. 10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister. 11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end: 12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

______________________________________________

The apostle afterwards discoursing of true believers, does in many particulars distinguish them from such as may be apostates; which is supposed of the persons here intended, as was before declared. For, [A.] He ascribes to true believers in general “better things, and such as accompany salvation,” verse 9. [B.] He ascribes to true believers a “work and labor of love,” as it is true faith alone which worketh by love, verse 10; whereof he speaks not one word concerning these. [C.] He asserts their preservation; 1st, On the account of the righteousness and faithfulness of God in verse 10; 2nd, of the immutability of his counsel concerning them, in verses 17 and 18. In all these and many other instances he puts a difference between these apostates and true believers. And whereas the apostle intends to declare the aggravation of the apostates’ sin in falling away by the principal privileges whereof they were made partakers, here is not one word, in name or thing, of those which he expressly assigns to be the chief privileges of true believers, Rom. 8:27–30.
John Owen, An Exposition of the Epistle to the Hebrews, ed. W. H. Goold, vol. 22, Works of John Owen (Edinburgh: Johnstone and Hunter, 1855), 84.

True believers won't fall away from Christ. People may fall away from the visible church, but their hearts will be continually drawn to Christ and His teachings.

Romans 15:4
“For whatever things were written before were written for our learning, that we through the patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope.”

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Apr 17, 2019

Gods not mad said:
1 when is the last time you watched inappropriate content?
2 when is the last time you lusted after a women?
3 when was the last time you have had fear and did not trust God to provide?
4 when was the last time you became angry with someone and wished harm or even death on them?
5 when was the last time you did not appreciate Gods hand in your life and complained against him?
6 when was the last time you put something before God and made Him second an idol lets say?
7 when was the last time you stole time from your employer?
8 have you gossiped about another in any way recently?
9 when was the last time you were not satisfied with what God has given you?
10 when was the last time you did not love another as Christ has loved you?
11 do you have the perfect SINLESS mind of Christ right now?
12 when is the last time you committed a sin and did not catch it or repent?
13 when was the last time you had an arrogant look
14 if you died after not perfectly repenting according to the "law" would you then have gone to hell?

15 how is salvation exactly lost then, your thoughts?
16 how do you personally repent?
17 what do you do to make things right with God in your theology if you perhaps sinned at some point and forgot?

17 questions if you can answer these perfectly i will consider that perhaps a man trying to accomplish the law by his own good works is something to look into. but for now i'll stick with the fact that i dont have the ability to save myself nor do i have a fully new mind or body and still will sin. how about lets start a conversation around your answers to these 17 questions.

be blessed

In all fairness, the issue is not about sin. We are not saved by our own righteousness. Neither would someone lose their salvation because of their sin. If salvation is lost, it is because they rejected the saving grace of the gospel. Whether or not it is actually possible for a regenerated believer to reject the Gospel that brought their salvation is another question.

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Apr 17, 2019

Technically, there is one way someone can have their salvation taken away.
Revelation 22:19
"And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll."

Kenny'sID · Apr 17, 2019

worshipjunkie said:
This is a very good explanation on the topic.

Question: "Can a Christian lose salvation?" Can a Christian lose salvation?

Answer: First, the term Christian must be defined. A “Christian” is not a person who has said a prayer or walked down an aisle or been raised in a Christian family. While each of these things can be a part of the Christian experience, they are not what makes a Christian. A Christian is a person who has fully trusted in Jesus Christ as the only Savior and therefore possesses the Holy Spirit (John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Ephesians 2:8–9).

So, with this definition in mind, can a Christian lose salvation? It’s a crucially important question. Perhaps the best way to answer it is to examine what the Bible says occurs at salvation and to study what losing salvation would entail:

A Christian is a new creation. “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!” (2 Corinthians 5:17). A Christian is not simply an “improved” version of a person; a Christian is an entirely new creature. He is “in Christ.” For a Christian to lose salvation, the new creation would have to be destroyed.

A Christian is redeemed. “For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect” (1 Peter 1:18–19). The word redeemed refers to a purchase being made, a price being paid. We were purchased at the cost of Christ’s death. For a Christian to lose salvation, God Himself would have to revoke His purchase of the individual for whom He paid with the precious blood of Christ.

A Christian is justified. “Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” (Romans 5:1). To justify is to declare righteous. All those who receive Jesus as Savior are “declared righteous” by God. For a Christian to lose salvation, God would have to go back on His Word and “un-declare” what He had previously declared. Those absolved of guilt would have to be tried again and found guilty. God would have to reverse the sentence handed down from the divine bench.

A Christian is promised eternal life. “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16). Eternal life is the promise of spending forever in heaven with God. God promises, “Believe and you will have eternal life.” For a Christian to lose salvation, eternal life would have to be redefined. The Christian is promised to live forever. Does eternal not mean “eternal”?

A Christian is marked by God and sealed by the Spirit. “You also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory” (Ephesians 1:13–14). At the moment of faith, the new Christian is marked and sealed with the Spirit, who was promised to act as a deposit to guarantee the heavenly inheritance. The end result is that God’s glory is praised. For a Christian to lose salvation, God would have to erase the mark, withdraw the Spirit, cancel the deposit, break His promise, revoke the guarantee, keep the inheritance, forego the praise, and lessen His glory.

A Christian is guaranteed glorification. “Those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified” (Romans 8:30). According to Romans 5:1, justification is ours at the moment of faith. According to Romans 8:30, glorification comes with justification. All those whom God justifies are promised to be glorified. This promise will be fulfilled when Christians receive their perfect resurrection bodies in heaven. If a Christian can lose salvation, then Romans 8:30 is in error, because God could not guarantee glorification for all those whom He predestines, calls, and justifies.

A Christian cannot lose salvation. Most, if not all, of what the Bible says happens to us when we receive Christ would be invalidated if salvation could be lost. Salvation is the gift of God, and God’s gifts are “irrevocable” (Romans 11:29). A Christian cannot be un-newly created. The redeemed cannot be unpurchased. Eternal life cannot be temporary. God cannot renege on His Word. Scripture says that God cannot lie (Titus 1:2).

Two common objections to the belief that a Christian cannot lose salvation concern these experiential issues: 1) What about Christians who live in a sinful, unrepentant lifestyle? 2) What about Christians who reject the faith and deny Christ? The problem with these objections is the assumption that everyone who calls himself a “Christian” has actually been born again. The Bible declares that a true Christian will not live a state of continual, unrepentant sin (1 John 3:6). The Bible also says that anyone who departs the faith is demonstrating that he was never truly a Christian (1 John 2:19). He may have been religious, he may have put on a good show, but he was never born again by the power of God. “By their fruit you will recognize them” (Matthew 7:16). The redeemed of God belong “to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God” (Romans 7:4).

Nothing can separate a child of God from the Father’s love (Romans 8:38–39). Nothing can remove a Christian from God’s hand (John 10:28–29). God guarantees eternal life and maintains the salvation He has given us. The Good Shepherd searches for the lost sheep, and, “when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders and goes home” (Luke 15:5–6). The lamb is found, and the Shepherd gladly bears the burden; our Lord takes full responsibility for bringing the lost one safely home.

Jude 24–25 further emphasizes the goodness and faithfulness of our Savior: “To Him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy—to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.”

I didn't read all that, but assuming that's the "they were never saved to begin with" argument, it's pretty much a null point. First, no one knows for certain if they were never saved or not. But mainly, a person can be all of those exact things that are required to be a Christian, and still be tempted by the world and walk away from the faith...happens all the time, Sin is simply more fun than obedience to God for some. It's that simple but for some reason those that taught you that want to attempt to complicate it with their so-called higher knowledge, that means little or nothing.

The parable of the Prodigal Son is a great example of someone who lost salvation, who fell away and went out into the world to take what she had to offer, and then came back to the truth that, in the end, was more appealing.

Gods not mad · Apr 17, 2019

HTacianas said:
Just last week I sacrificed two she goats to Beelzebub.

Now that we have established that, what does it have to do with the warnings in the new testament against falling away?

ok thanks for the clarification. also thanks for the honesty sorry to hear about the desire to sacrifice to satan i pray God deliver you from that bondage.

HTacianas said:
So all that business about willful sin and Judgement and fire consuming adversaries was written to a group of Christians for what?

i assume that you have not willfully committed any of the sins below and are walking perfectly in the law of God. its not hard if you teach others and portray yourself as one who does not transgresses against Gods law intentionally then these 17 questions should be a breeze for you to answer.

HTacianas said:
I don't try to convince myself of the once saved always saved doctrine because it isn't true. The new testament is filled with warnings against falling away. Going solely by the new testament once a person falls away through intentional sin or apostasy that person cannot return.

I cannot comment on someone else's experience with death.

remember what you said here? you said it. so i am curious if the answer to any of my questions is yes. you being a studious well refined man of the word who has studied and is very accomplished should know what and what is not considered a transgression of Gods law. if you have intentionally committed a sin then you are condemned by your own words.

here they are again lets see if you can be honest before the holy spirit and answer them this time.

1 when is the last time you watched inappropriate content?
2 when is the last time you lusted after a women?
3 when was the last time you have had fear and did not trust God to provide?
4 when was the last time you became angry with someone and wished harm or even death on them?
5 when was the last time you did not appreciate Gods hand in your life and complained against him?
6 when was the last time you put something before God and made Him second an idol lets say?
7 when was the last time you stole time from your employer?
8 have you gossiped about another in any way recently?
9 when was the last time you were not satisfied with what God has given you?
10 when was the last time you did not love another as Christ has loved you?
11 do you have the perfect SINLESS mind of Christ right now?
12 when is the last time you committed a sin and did not catch it or repent?
13 when was the last time you had an arrogant look
14 if you died after not perfectly repenting according to the "law" would you then have gone to hell?

15 how is salvation exactly lost then, your thoughts?
16 how do you personally repent?
17 what do you do to make things right with God in your theology if you perhaps sinned at some point and forgot?

17 questions if you can answer these perfectly i will consider that perhaps a man trying to accomplish the law by his own good works is something to look into. but for now i'll stick with the fact that i dont have the ability to save myself nor do i have a fully new mind or body and still will sin. how about lets start a conversation around your answers to these 17 questions.

be blessed

HTacianas · Apr 17, 2019

Gods not mad said:
ok thanks for the clarification. also thanks for the honesty sorry to hear about the desire to sacrifice to satan i pray God deliver you from that bondage.

i assume that you have not willfully committed any of the sins below and are walking perfectly in the law of God. its not hard if you teach others and portray yourself as one who does not transgresses against Gods law intentionally then these 17 questions should be a breeze for you to answer.

remember what you said here? you said it. so i am curious if the answer to any of my questions is yes. you being a studious well refined man of the word who has studied and is very accomplished should know what and what is not considered a transgression of Gods law. if you have intentionally committed a sin then you are condemned by your own words.

here they are again lets see if you can be honest before the holy spirit and answer them this time.

1 when is the last time you watched inappropriate content?
2 when is the last time you lusted after a women?
3 when was the last time you have had fear and did not trust God to provide?
4 when was the last time you became angry with someone and wished harm or even death on them?
5 when was the last time you did not appreciate Gods hand in your life and complained against him?
6 when was the last time you put something before God and made Him second an idol lets say?
7 when was the last time you stole time from your employer?
8 have you gossiped about another in any way recently?
9 when was the last time you were not satisfied with what God has given you?
10 when was the last time you did not love another as Christ has loved you?
11 do you have the perfect SINLESS mind of Christ right now?
12 when is the last time you committed a sin and did not catch it or repent?
13 when was the last time you had an arrogant look
14 if you died after not perfectly repenting according to the "law" would you then have gone to hell?

15 how is salvation exactly lost then, your thoughts?
16 how do you personally repent?
17 what do you do to make things right with God in your theology if you perhaps sinned at some point and forgot?

17 questions if you can answer these perfectly i will consider that perhaps a man trying to accomplish the law by his own good works is something to look into. but for now i'll stick with the fact that i dont have the ability to save myself nor do i have a fully new mind or body and still will sin. how about lets start a conversation around your answers to these 17 questions.

be blessed

We have already established that I am guilty of unrepentant mortal sin. Now what does that have to do with the warnings in the new testament against falling away? How does my personal condition affect what it says?

Kenny'sID · Apr 17, 2019

Gods not mad said:
17 questions if you can answer these perfectly i will consider that perhaps a man trying to accomplish the law by his own good works is something to look into. but for now i'll stick with the fact that i dont have the ability to save myself nor do i have a fully new mind or body and still will sin. how about lets start a conversation around your answers to these 17 questions.

That's an old trick people play on themselves and sometimes on others, and just an excuse to be lazy/do nothing, to fool yourself into believing we can sin all we like because it's more fun than Gods way, and we can still go to heaven that way, when nothing could be further from the truth.

Here is how that works. You name all these sins that in the first place, even God doesn't expect us to adhere to perfectly, the very reason he sent Christ to die. Thing is, you know that, but neglect to make it part of the equation, you devised it with a half truth because if you followed the whole truth...the full equation, of try your best then asking forgiveness when you ere...you'd then have to admit that doing as good as God expects us to do, is actually very doable, not impossible like you make it seem by leaving part of the plan out...the forgiveness factor.

Did you really forget there was a reason Jesus died? It's for one, when we ask forgiveness as he told us to do in the lords Prayer we don't have to worry when we occasionally mess up, and that way, we can do our best to be good...all God really asks of us,

Gods not mad · Apr 17, 2019

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In all fairness, the issue is not about sin. We are not saved by our own righteousness. Neither would someone lose their salvation because of their sin. If salvation is lost, it is because they rejected the saving grace of the gospel. Whether or not it is actually possible for a regenerated believer to reject the Gospel that brought their salvation is another question.

yes of course that is my point. those who do not believe that Christ's sacrifice on the cross was completely sufficient and is the finished work try to add works in order to complete their salvation. this is a slap in the face of the savior and very harmful to the believer. grace and grace alone nothing added to it. we are the righteousness of Christ because of his fulfillment of the law and that accomplished work has been added to us as a free gift. some people who try and base their salvation on Christ and their own works view them selves as third class citizens in Gods kingdom who may be cast off any minute due to their still dealing with their sin nature. so i ask them about their sin and they rarely will admit to it because they hide behind their good works. they are hypocritical in their walk with God before men. a son/daughter knows their father loves them no matter what.

what earthly father will cast his son into fire because of an intentional sin that was committed.

mister rogers · Apr 17, 2019

"If you could lose your salvation, you would."
-John MacArthur

Is it impossible to lose your salvation?

Soli Deo Gloria

Natura non facit saltum

...yet not I, but the grace of God that is with me

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Change is inevitable, feel free to spare some.

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...yet not I, but the grace of God that is with me

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