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Jesus couldn't stay on earth; He had to leave so the Spirit could come which is omnipresent. It is the Spirit that makes us dead to sin. It is the Spirit that is the seed of the Father. He who sins is a slave to sin and does not belong to Christ. Those with the Spirit cannot willfully commit lawless sins unto death.

Revelation 22:11 shows us a separation between those in hell and those going to heaven. Can you tell which is which, or do you think they are all in heaven?

They are the way they are because they rejected Jesus. The saved sinners that still had imperfections and mistakes while living on earth that made it to heaven had struggles with may of the same issues.

Phil 1: 6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: (rather than flush us down the sink first mistake we make)

11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.
 
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Yes I believe the root of His message is that we love each other. Love produces fruit.

“"This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. You are My friends if you do what I command you.”
‭‭JOHN‬ ‭15:12-14‬ ‭NASB‬‬

In both Matthew 25:42-43 and James 2:15-16 the works that are mentioned are works of love. I believe the goats were condemned not so much for failing to do good works but probably more so for not loving others. I think James is giving a similar message in James 2.


Yes, it’s interesting to note that these are not literal goats and sheep, as many have tried to show.


IOW, Jesus likened the dividing of the people “as someone divides sheep from goats”.


The Point:


Contextually all who stand before Him on that Day are His servants not unbelievers and believers mixed together, but those servants of His who were given were given talents, were given stewardship, but did not do anything with what they were given.



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“For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them...
“But his lord answered and said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed. So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest. So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents.
For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations
“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. Matthew 25:14,26-31




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Amen.


Here is how we are instructed to remain in Him.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24




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What about "endeavors or sets out to keep and obey His commandments", ect...?

But, if this is truly by the Holy Spirit, would it be any of their own doing or choosing, striving, whatever, or whatever...? Or their "own will and or strength", ect...?

Or if it is cooperative, how much is us and how much is, or should be God...? and if we do "do" anything, or any of it at all, does that mean we get to take or get the credit for it, ect...?

God Bless!
 
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If you are referring to the law as the commandments of God I would agree but if you are referring to the Mosaic law then I would disagree because the Mosaic law had additions that were not necessarily commandments of God.
We are not on the law of Moses now we are under the law to Christ
 
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Yes, it’s interesting to note that these are not literal goats and sheep, as many have tried to show.


IOW, Jesus likened the dividing of the people “as someone divides sheep from goats”.


The Point:


Contextually all who stand before Him on that Day are His servants not unbelievers and believers mixed together, but those servants of His who were given were given talents, were given stewardship, but did not do anything with what they were given.



Context -


“For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them...
“But his lord answered and said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed. So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest. So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents.
For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations
“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. Matthew 25:14,26-31




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I think the goats were possibly people who believed but yet Christ was not in them. Their actions did not reflect His teachings.
 
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Put down you false teaching charismatic ideas and study the scripture.
BACs of ALL persuasions are in error occasionally.

Since you are anti-charismatic, are you a cessationist?

And I am curious ... what are you referring to here?
"this mystical extra bursts of power nonsense
bcsenior spoke about."
 
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For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world — our faith.
1 John 5:4
May I point out that when John talks about "the world"
he is usually referring to the world of non-believers.

So, in 1 John 5:4-5, he is talking about overcoming
ONLY the world of non-believers,
NOT sin or anything else!

Here Jesus gives His definition of the overcomer ...
Revelation 3:21
"To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne."

So, let us think about what Jesus overcame!
Is this what it takes to become co-heirs with Christ?
 
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But the question still remains ...
Here's a better question ...

Since the abilities (spiritual & otherwise) of BACs
vary widely ... as seen in these forums ...
how can we all be equally responsible for understanding
and following God's desires & requirements for salvation?

I.E. Do we expect too much from our fellow BACs?
Here's where the gift of spiritual discernment (1 Cor 12)
comes in handy ... in discerning who is who!
 
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BACs of ALL persuasions are in error occasionally.

Since you are anti-charismatic, are you a cessationist?

And I am curious ... what are you referring to here?
"this mystical extra bursts of power nonsense
bcsenior spoke about."
After you failed to give a proper response to post 369, you dismissed those godly men, then in post 380 you offered your more of this and that ideas.
 
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Maybe some of us don't fully realize the full power of the Spirit yet maybe...? We may or might have it/Him, but it's also a "journey" to "realize that" usually, first His presence, then His power... And then, each one unique and different as well, custom tailored to them, their personality, ect...

But, Maybe some of us don't fully realize the full power of the Spirit yet maybe...?

God Bless!

Yes, and along with that is not understanding the Scriptures inspired by the Spirit. "14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
 
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Correcting someone in error,is not rude,carnal,or false...it is speaking the truth in love. For you to post that to walk in the Spirit means we are not under law is known as antinomianism that is a heretical idea.
Christians are not law less..
Paul is Not saying that God's law is sin and death.
The law is holy,just, and good.
You seem to fit 1tim1:7-8
Desiring to be teachers of the law,understanding neither what they say,nor whereof they affirm.
But we know the law is good if a man use it lawfully.
In verse 7 Paul asks...is the law sin...his answer, God forbid. Vs12 the law is holy.
Vs22...I delight in the law of God.
Vs25...I myself serve the law of God.

Put down you false teaching charismatic ideas and study the scripture.

What you highlighted in red, the law of sin and death is speaking of...the motions of sin,vs5...which were in our members. .brought forth fruit unto death...Gods law does not bring forth fruit unto death...the motions of sin does.
Jesus was a law keeper...the law of God did not produce fruit unto death in His sinless life.

So, then to understand where you are coming from, you keep the law which includes the 4th commandment, 7th day Sabbath? Friday night to Saturday night? To not keep this holy convocation, you break the whole law. And you keep them unto Christ.

But Christ has a different set of commandments that you don't seem to discern. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 
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Here's a better question ...

Since the abilities (spiritual & otherwise) of BACs
vary widely ... as seen in these forums ...
how can we all be equally responsible for understanding
and following God's desires & requirements for salvation?

I.E. Do we expect too much from our fellow BACs?
Here's where the gift of spiritual discernment (1 Cor 12)
comes in handy ... in discerning who is who!

I don’t think abiding in Christ falls into the category of gifts of the Holy Spirit friend. Anyone who does not abide in Christ is thrown away to wither then thrown into the fire to be burned. I think everyone who possesses the Holy Spirit will be urged by Him to abide in Christ. Our salvation depends on it.
 
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What about "endeavors or sets out to keep and obey His commandments", ect...?

But, if this is truly by the Holy Spirit, would it be any of their own doing or choosing, striving, whatever, or whatever...? Or their "own will and or strength", ect...?

Or if it is cooperative, how much is us and how much is, or should be God...? and if we do "do" anything, or any of it at all, does that mean we get to take or get the credit for it, ect...?

God Bless!


God never overrides our own free will to choose, otherwise all would be saved.




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I don’t think abiding in Christ falls into the category of gifts of the Holy Spirit friend. Anyone who does not abide in Christ is thrown away to wither then thrown into the fire to be burned. I think everyone who possesses the Holy Spirit will be urged by Him to abide in Christ. Our salvation depends on it.
Wanna go back and try that again?
 
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[So, then to understand where you are coming from, you keep the law which includes the 4th commandment, 7th day Sabbath? Friday night to Saturday night? To not keep this holy convocation, you break the whole law. And you keep them unto Christ.]

I never said that did I? does it make you feel better to attack a strawman argument?

I nowhere said I am under mosaic law did I? I am under law to Christ.

[But Christ has a different set of commandments that you don't seem to discern. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.]
I glad you know this verse because right now it looks like it has your name on it. You still do not grasp how wrong you are.
 
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