Why didn't the Right try to even the chances in the Entertainment culture war a bit?

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The real reason is that doing something like this would be like the dog catching the mailman. They need an enemy against which to rail.

Another good reason is that punishing people for having opinions other than your own is exactly the kind of thing they claim (wrongly) is done against them. Not that anyone seems to care about hypocrisy these days, but to do to your enemies what you claim they do to you would be pretty breathtakingly hypocritical.

The Bible says "in the world, not of", but some Christians conveniently seem to miss the "in the world" part. People have different ideas than you. That's OK. Doesn't mean you have to agree with it or follow it, but it's time to get over it.
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Hollywood is full of people loving their guns, 'heroes' who torture people and glamorization of war and wealth.

It's basically a neocons dream already.

It really depends on what movies you watch.
 
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I'm just curious, when we talk about entertainment that fights the culture war on behalf of the left, which entertainment are we talking about?

It might also be worth noting that most of the international film markets that get American movies are not fighting a culture war, and have a social and political center which is well to the left of the US.

Entertainment producers aren't trying to win a culture war. They're trying to make a profit.
Tell that to Dsiney... They missed big with SW.

Purchase the rights?

I'm confused. What sort of property should be helpful in the culture war?

I never said anything liek that in this thread.

Outside of the bubble that the Far Right have constructed, there really is no culture war. That rhetoric is simply created for power brokers to bamboozle people like the carnival barkers they are.

I bet every news source you previously claimed you respected used the term...

Copyright seems not to have prevented them from being created...and yet paid the copyright holders.

But notice that copyright is only upon a specific expression of an idea, not upon the idea itself.

There are many expressions of Ovid's "star-crossed lovers" of Pyramus and Thisby. All of the latest specific expressions of that story are copyrighted, which does not prevent new expressions ever few years, such as Romeo and Juliet (in several versions), "West Side Story," "Romeo Must Die!," "Gnomeo and Juliet," et cetera.

I could write this story: A young Afghani farm boy's family is killed during a wedding ceremony by an American drone. The boy is taken under the wing of an old Mujahadeen who had fought against the Soviets during their invasion. The boy himself is radicalized when the old Mujahadeen is killed by an American combat patrol and then joins the resistance against the invaders. He later becomes a major player in a successful attack against an American base.

Of course, that's just "Star Wars: A New Hope." Same idea, different expression, and can be copyrighted as such...by me.

IP is still valuable at the moment.

Everything is based on an old IP... ain't no such thing as an "original" story..

You have something to argue about?

The real reason is that doing something like this would be like the dog catching the mailman. They need an enemy against which to rail.

Another good reason is that punishing people for having opinions other than your own is exactly the kind of thing they claim (wrongly) is done against them. Not that anyone seems to care about hypocrisy these days, but to do to your enemies what you claim they do to you would be pretty breathtakingly hypocritical.

The Bible says "in the world, not of", but some Christians conveniently seem to miss the "in the world" part. People have different ideas than you. That's OK. Doesn't mean you have to agree with it or follow it, but it's time to get over it.
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How would these devilish ideas from my OP lead to really punishing anyone?

Hollywood is full of people loving their guns, 'heroes' who torture people and glamorization of war and wealth.

It's basically a neocons dream already.

Democrats love that stuff too. I was talking about the broad right.
 
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I bet every news source you previously claimed you respected used the term...

There's a culture war now only in the minds of rightwing political hacks. For everybody else, it ended years ago, and was never as big as it has been given credit, anyways.
 
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There's a culture war now only in the minds of rightwing political hacks. For everybody else, it ended years ago, and was never as big as it has been given credit, anyways.
No, it did not stop.
 
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Tell that to Dsiney... They missed big with SW.
They made over $2 billion on The Force Awakens, $1.3 billion on The Last Jedi, $1.05 billion on Rouge One and even Solo, which is considered a failure, made close to $100 million then it cost to make. Disney made a lot of money off of Star Wars, and that doesn't even take into account merchandise, which the House of Mouse has always been very, very good at.
 
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Tell that to Dsiney... They missed big with SW.

Disney?! You think Disney doesn't want to make money?

I never said anything liek that in this thread.

...I would assume, as I quoted someone else in this post. But I like your ambitious way of pre-informing me of things you haven't said. I never mentioned fire-hydrants in this thread.
 
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i thought it was the Greeks but I can't turn up anything on it. I know Heinlein has said something similar. Apparently someone wrote a research book on the topic.

The Seven Basic Plots - Wikipedia

Aristotle was one of the earliest examples of trying to simplify, study and categorize drama and entertainment.

The idea that there are only so many stories comes more from modern psychology I think.

I don't actually agree with this idea though, it seems easy to come up with a plot that would not neatly fit into any of the seven listed.
 
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Aristotle was one of the earliest examples of trying to simplify, study and categorize drama and entertainment.

The idea that there are only so many stories comes more from modern psychology I think.

I don't actually agree with this idea though, it seems easy to come up with a plot that would not neatly fit into any of the seven listed.
So, you don’t think that our present episodes of “Living in ‘Interesting Times!’” strongly resemble a “madcap mashup” of “Citizen Kane”, “Cool Hand Luke”, (with Bob Mueller in the eponymous role), and at least one “Muppet Movie”?
 
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Disney?! You think Disney doesn't want to make money?



...I would assume, as I quoted someone else in this post. But I like your ambitious way of pre-informing me of things you haven't said. I never mentioned fire-hydrants in this thread.
When one gets the wokeness bug it tries to do that and wokeness.
 
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When one gets the wokeness bug it tries to do that and wokeness.

Disney will do anything and everything that will get them more money. If wokeness is the path to more dollars they will do it. If not they won’t. The only thing I’ve found that would make them more money that they don’t do is selling poutine in the Canada pavilion at Epcot. Wokeness sells, I’m not naive enough to believe their intentions are all pure, wokeness makes them money so that’s what they do.
 
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