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I don't understand why some people believe that only one theory can be correct. What if they all are correct? BTW... penal substitution.
More than one can be valid but not all can be valid since some contradict others and even the Bible.I don't understand why some people believe that only one theory can be correct. What if they all are correct? BTW... penal substitution.
Yeah. I guess ransom and christus victor wouldn't fit well together.More than one can be valid but not all can be valid since some contradict others and even the Bible.
I believe that Jesus is our representative. He inherited our nature through Mary, but as a sinless human being he overcame the initial effects of the sin that was introduced in Eden, and the grave could not hold him Acts 2:24. God raised him from the dead and granted him immortality. He is set forth as our example and representative, and if we believe in him, in his death and resurrection, and in his coming kingdom, then we will be motivated to be baptised into his death and resurrection Romans 6:1-8, Acts 8:5-6,12. This is a ceasing of our old way of life, a crucifixion of the flesh, a burial in water, and then a resurrection to a new way of life motivated by the love of God and love of Jesus Christ Galatians 2:20. We receive forgiveness of sins when we affectionately believe this, the gospel of the Name and Kingdom, and God is thus glorified for his righteousness, truth and mercy Romans 3:25-26. Sin and the sinner are condemned and thus justice and righteousness are upheld, but God's mercy shines.What are your favorite ones and why?
One criticism I have of PSA is that it does not result in actual forgiveness of sins. The Father still punishes sin. The punishment is simply transferred to Our Lord rather than those who are actually guilty of the sins.The Anselmian satisfaction theory, where the Son gives up his life as a pleasing sacrifice to the Father on our behalf, thereby making propitiation for our sins.
As opposed to Penal Substitution Atonement, where the Son becomes something so ugly and disgusting on the cross that the Father cannot stand him, and has to punish him with wrath and hellfire.
One criticism I have of PSA is that it does not result in actual forgiveness of sins. The Father still punishes sin. The punishment is simply transferred to Our Lord rather than those who are actually guilty of the sins.
PSA does not describe forgiveness; it describes a process of debt consolidation.
Satisfaction Theory allows for Sacred Scripture to be correct when it says that Our Lord is how our sins are forgiven.
PSA does not offer forgiveness.If that's your complaint with PSA, I'm afraid that the Satisfaction theory suffers from the same illusory problem. In the Satisfaction theory, God cannot forgive until something of greater value than what was destroyed is offered to him.
One criticism I have of PSA is that it does not result in actual forgiveness of sins. The Father still punishes sin. The punishment is simply transferred to Our Lord rather than those who are actually guilty of the sins.
PSA does not describe forgiveness; it describes a process of debt consolidation.
Satisfaction Theory allows for Sacred Scripture to be correct when it says that Our Lord is how our sins are forgiven.
Yes, I gathered that. But that’s unjust, absolutely illogical and does not result in forgiveness for sins.In order to freely forgive the guilty without compromising his justice, he transfers the guilt to Christ. It is very simple, actually. But there are other ways to look at this from a biblical standpoint.
Yes, I gathered that. But that’s unjust, absolutely illogical and does not result in forgiveness for sins.
The PSA model merely transfers the punishment for sin from one party to another. But nothing whatsoever is forgiven with PSA.
Satisfaction Theory does allow for actual forgiveness.
If you’re searching for a proof text regarding PSA, try again. That passage is wide open to interpretation. Even the Christus Victor crowd will cite that one sometimes.However, this passage comes to mind...
"And you...God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by cancelling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside nailing it to the cross" (Col. 1:13, 14).
What I find interesting about this passage too is what was nailed to the cross? Jesus. Yet, the record of debt that stood against us was nailed. Pretty interesting.
If you’re searching for a proof text regarding PSA, try again. That passage is wide open to interpretation. Even the Christus Victor crowd will cite that one sometimes.