Believers’ faith must endure until the end of their lives!

dad said:

Sorry, since it doesn't say they went to hell why would I think God went back on His promise of eternal life? I mean should I think everyone that fudged their taxes a bit, or put in at work for a little more time than they actually worked, or lied to a police officer about the speed they were going when they got a ticket, or streamed a movie, or didn't go back to a cashier when they got too much change...etc etc etc etc...is going to hell and would lose eternal salvation if the had it?

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They are not saved, because the Holy Spirit would never lead them into willful sin. Here is a post I wrote to another, please read it.

1stcenturylady said:

Even without the Holy Spirit inside me, I never had a desire to steal a piece of candy, or even lie, let alone murder someone. I remember in High School at 15 years old coming into the biology classroom after being out sick the day before when they had a test. The guy next to me was showing me things in his text book, and I asked him what he was trying to show me, and he said "the answers to the test." After class I went up to the teacher and told him he would have to prepare a different test for me because someone tried to show me the answers. But even with all that, I wasn't saved. I just had good parents and my 'nature' was like theirs. I'm saying all this as a warning, because there are many who look at their lives and think they must be going to heaven because they are 'good people.' And I also knew all about Jesus, and was even baptized.

But the night I truly repented, instead of the cursory, "and forgive me of my sins," that I had said all my life, I was actually filled with the Spirit, and the difference was between night and day overnight. I had absolutely no carnal desires to sin, and the Bible became alive with new meaning, not denominational misinterpretations.

So, my friend, the key is true repentance and the desire to be scrubbed totally clean and to never get dirty again, like David's prayer after his sin with Bathsheba, "Create in me a clean heart, O God, And renew a steadfast spirit within me." I even quoted that verse that night. That is when Jesus will give you His Own Spirit to kill every carnal desire, and make you dead to sin, Romans 6:2 and 7.

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BCsenior said:

Any of those boys and girls have the baptism with
the Holy Spirit? Which is an anointing to give more
of the Spirit, more spiritual insight, more spiritual
understanding, more of everything, such as the
9 spiritual power gifts listed in 1 Corinthians 12.

IMO, everyone in ministry back in the NT had it
i.e. those leaders in Ephesians 4:11.

This is available to any BAC!
Just believe it ... and ask Jesus for it.
Believe Matthew 7:7-11 ... and ...
please don't forget the persistent widow!

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I do not think you correctly understand Spirit baptism.
I do not think you can work through that document and find fault with it.
Try.
If you can correct it, I would listen.
All Christian's have the Holy Spirit. If you do not have the Spirit,you are not a Christian.rom8:9
The false teaching of some new and improved super anointing is wof. nonsense.

BCsenior said:

Any of those boys and girls have the baptism with
the Holy Spirit? Which is an anointing to give more
of the Spirit, more spiritual insight, more spiritual
understanding, more of everything, such as the
9 spiritual power gifts listed in 1 Corinthians 12.

IMO, everyone in ministry back in the NT had it
i.e. those leaders in Ephesians 4:11.

This is available to any BAC!
Just believe it ... and ask Jesus for it.
Believe Matthew 7:7-11 ... and ...
please don't forget the persistent widow!

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All Christians (and you don't belong to Jesus unless you have been born again of the Spirit of Christ) is given the signs of Mark 16:16-18.

I don't think that can be said of the gifts of 1 Corinthians 12. All born again of the Spirit of Christ Christians are given, at least, one, and maybe some all nine, but so far I've only received 7. Do you have all nine? I don't have the last two.

ICONO'CLAST said:

I do not think you correctly understand Spirit baptism.
I do not think you can work through that document and find fault with it.
Try.
If you can correct it, I would listen.
All Christian's have the Holy Spirit. If you do not have the Spirit,you are not a Christian.rom8:9
The false teaching of some new and improved super anointing is wof. nonsense.

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You are absolutely right that all born again of the Spirit of Christ Christians, are the only ones who are truly Christians. The others may say, Lord, Lord, but Jesus will say to them "I never knew you." The main purpose of this first filling of the Spirit is to kill the old carnal nature, and make us new creatures in Christ who no longer have to struggle to fulfill the righteous requirements of the law as those Jews who were under the law (Romans 7). We are dead to sin, and are no longer walking in the carnal flesh, but in the Spirit.

However, your second statement is wrong. First, there are two sets of manifestations (signs or gifts) given by the Spirit. The first are our PERSONAL signs of Mark 16:16-18 and given to ALL WHO BELIEVE. The tongues in that list are for PERSONAL prayer and praise TO God, and is part of the whole armor of God given to all believers for praying in the Spirit for all the saints the perfect will of God at home, or in a small group of believers to lift up perfect praise to God. This filling is the same one we receive when we are first born again of the Spirit of Christ.

The second filling comes with a bit more maturity and is for ministry to others, although some receive both fillings at once. They both come from the same Spirit, and it is up to Him how much He releases of His power. And there can be more fillings called anointings as you mature in the Lord. It is the one @BCsenior refers to as the baptism of the Holy Spirit. In that we differ semantically. Those ministry gifts are the ones in 1 Corinthians 12 and are for the profit of all, and are the ones used in the congregation. This group of gifts also has a gift for speaking in tongues, but it is different in that it is for receiving messages FROM God, and is the one of the two manifestations of tongues that is limited to only 2-3, and it MUST be interpreted. Our prayer language is not limited, nor must it be interpreted as it is not to man, but to God only. Their are many uninformed that try to criticize our prayer language and try to enforce rules for the messages gift onto the prayer and praise manifestation. And the other mistake they make is thinking that "no everyone has be given a prayer language" because of 1 Corinthians 12:30. No, that is referring to the ministry gift, not the personal sign.

All scripture must be read to understand 1 Corinthians 14, and you must discern the difference between the two manifestations, and even that there ARE two in the first place, not just one. The difference is the direction and purpose, and separate rules. The message tongues is for the profit of all and with the mandatory interpretation is equal to prophecy. That is what 1 Corinthians 14 is actually about - the difference between the sign of tongues (personal), and the gift of diverse kinds of tongues (ministry). Because all the Corinthians who were already born again of the Spirit could pray in tongues, they were all speaking at once, over a word from a prophet, a psalm (song), or anyone else. It was a cacophony of noise, and out of order. You will notice in verse 23 it refers to them ALL being able to speak in tongues (personal).

1stcenturylady said:

You are absolutely right that all born again of the Spirit of Christ Christians, are the only ones who are truly Christians. The others may say, Lord, Lord, but Jesus will say to them "I never knew you." The main purpose of this first filling of the Spirit is to kill the old carnal nature, and make us new creatures in Christ who no longer have to struggle to fulfill the righteous requirements of the law as those Jews who were under the law (Romans 7). We are dead to sin, and are no longer walking in the carnal flesh, but in the Spirit.

However, your second statement is wrong. First, there are two sets of manifestations (signs or gifts) given by the Spirit. The first are our PERSONAL signs of Mark 16:16-18 and given to ALL WHO BELIEVE. The tongues in that list is for PERSONAL prayer and praise TO God, and is part of the whole armor of God given to all believers for praying in the Spirit for all the saints the perfect will of God at home, or in a small group of believers to lift up perfect praise to God. This filling is the same one we receive when we are first born again of the Spirit of Christ.

The second filling comes with a bit more maturity and is for ministry to others, although some receive both fillings at once. They both come from the same Spirit, and it is up to Him how much He releases of His power. And there can be more fillings called anointings as your mature in the Lord. It is the one @BCsenior refers to as the baptism of the Holy Spirit. In that we differ semantically. Those ministry gifts are the ones in 1 Corinthians 12 and are for the profit of all, and are the ones used in the congregation. This group of gifts also has a gift for speaking in tongues, but it is different in that it is for receiving messages FROM God, and is the one of the two manifestations of tongues that is limited to only 2-3, and it MUST be interpreted. Our prayer language is not limited, nor must it be interpreted as it is not to man, but to God only. Their are many uninformed that try to criticize our prayer language and try to enforce rules for the messages gift onto the prayer and praise manifestation. And the other mistake they make is thinking that "no everyone has be given a prayer language" because of 1 Corinthians 12:30. No, that is referring to the ministry gift, not the personal sign.

All scripture must be read to understand 1 Corinthians 14, and you must discern the difference between the two manifestations, and even that there ARE two in the first place, not just one. The difference is the direction and purpose, and separate rules. The message tongues is for the profit of all and with the mandatory interpretation is equal to prophecy. That is what 1 Corinthians 14 is actually about - the difference between the sign of tongues (personal), and the gift of diverse kinds of tongues (ministry). Because all the Corinthians who were already born again of the Spirit could pray in tongues, they were all speaking at once, over a word from a prophet, a psalm (song), or anyone else. It was a cacophony of noise, and out of order. You will notice in verse 23 it refers to them ALL being able to speak in tongues (personal).

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Thank you for offering help.
I will start a thread soon showing what I believe is the biblical teaching.
When the shekinah glory filled the temple,was that a one time event, or everyday?

ICONO'CLAST said:

Thank you for offering help.
I will start a thread soon showing what I believe is the biblical teaching.
When the shekinah glory filled the temple,was that a one time event, or everyday?

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Everyday. We walk in the Spirit everyday too.

BNR32FAN said:

Bless you friend but in the illustration Jesus gave us in John 15 we are not trees we are the branches that are attached to the vine which is Jesus Christ as stated in verse 5.

“I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.”
‭‭JOHN‬ ‭15:5‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Verse 2 says The Father cuts off or removes every branch IN ME (Christ) that does not bear fruit.

Verse 4 Jesus says remain in Me. According to predestination and eternal security branches who are in Christ and attached to the vine which is Christ cannot fail to remain in Him. So why would Jesus tell them to remain in Him if they are incapable of falling away? Is He warning them of doing something that is impossible for them to do?

Verse 6 again according to predestination and eternal security would seem to be another warning even stating the consequences of doing the impossible failing to remain in Christ. A person cannot remain in Christ unless they are currently in Christ. The consequences in verse 2 and verse 6 indicate a loss of salvation as a result of failing to remain in Christ and failing to bear fruit. The consequences being they are cut off or removed from Christ, thrown away (without care or regard of one’s wellbeing) to wither (dry up and waste away) then thrown (again without care or regard) into the fire to be burned. The consequences given here result in the loss of salvation.

I will address the other questions in another post I would like to keep these separated just to make it easier. I prefer not to get too many subjects mixed up into one post. God bless

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Bless you too friend...if you read my first paragraph you will see that's what I wrote down..."we are the branches " Our purpose is to bear fruit- (fruit for God)....

1stcenturylady said:

Acts 5:
Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”

5 Then Ananias, hearing these words, fell down and breathed his last.

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As I said the sin was grievous, that is why God had to use a strong judgment..to ensure their spirit would be saved.

Mark 3:29
but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation”—

Luke 12:10
“And anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven.

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The unforgivable sin is to reject Jesus. (of course that means also His Spirit). That is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. Now after we accept Jesus, we are not of those that Blaspheme His Spirit by rejecting it. In this case, they disrespected God and lied out of greed to Him. They got His loving judgments. His children are chastised, and in some cases, that means even sickness or death. Nothing to do with salvation.

Ananias and Sapphira lied to the Holy Spirit and thought they could get away with it. Mark 3 and Luke 12 above shows they committed an unpardonable sin. And the sorcerer already belonged to Satan. He wasn't a Christian, but working against them. But if a Christian chose to become a sorcerer, he would also be damned as that would be a willful choice in rebellion against God.

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Knowing that God keeps His promises, and really does give eternal life to those that come to Him, we know that if Ananias and his wife were saved and believers, that they did not blaspheme the Holy Spirit but merely sinned against Him. I have no reason to think that they were not saved, and we can't judge. However if they were God took them home so that there spirit would be saved. If they were not, then they would have blasphemed His Spirit in rejecting it, and their game of being false brethren was ended abruptly. In any case NOTHING to do with salvation being taken away from a believer.

I also printed out that section from your commentary. (I have that one too in hardback c.1872) I like some of the old commentaries, to brainstorm and see how good they were at interpreting the word. I have a whole library of commentaries. This one - not so good on that passage.

I wrote notes all over the printed post. But I need a cup of tea. Will talk to you later.

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When we know Scripture clearly says God will give us eternal life, and we know He is not a liar or a man to change His mind and go back on His word...we interpret verses in that light.

dad said:

to ensure their spirit would be saved

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They were NOT saved, because they didn't endure to the end, but blasphemed the Holy Spirit with willful lying. People who believe the heresy of OSAS believe they can get away with murder. No they can't. The person who willfully sins belongs to the devil. Read 1 John 3

dad said:

His children are chastised, and in some cases, that means even sickness or death. Nothing to do with salvation.

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You are misinterpreting the same scripture, and if you don't understand, I guess you can't. We just keep going over the same ground.

1stcenturylady said:

They are not saved, because the Holy Spirit would never lead them into willful sin. Here is a post I wrote to another, please read it.

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When we blow it, it is not because God made us do it! Making mistakes and failing to heed His Spirit does not come from totally doing as we should, it comes from not listening or following as close as we should. The problem is that sometimes people obey the old man, the flesh. That was a struggle for Paul all his life. Trying to put away the old man, old nature. Now when some believers are weak and fall and fail at times, that doesn't mean they are evil people who blaspheme God's Spirit, and are going to fry in eternal hell.

So, my friend, the key is true repentance and the desire to be scrubbed totally clean and to never get dirty again, like David's prayer after his sin with Bathsheba, "Create in me a clean heart, O God, And renew a steadfast spirit within me." I even quoted that verse that night. That is when Jesus will give you His Own Spirit to kill every carnal desire, and make you dead to sin, Romans 6:2 and 7.

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No matter how good we think we are or try to be, there will always be someone accusing and pointing fingers. Maybe someone would say 'you never turned in the cheater, so you are a horrible sinner and aided and abetted him'. Maybe if you did turn them in people might say 'you were a traitorous rat'. We should worry about pleasing God, not man, or what man thinks about us. I heard someone say once, something like 'When you are feeling so righteous and good, you are not closer to God, just closer to yourself'.

I have never met anyone that was perfect yet. I think we will be made perfect one day. Meanwhile, in this life we should maybe concentrate on being more loving and less on appearing sinless.

1stcenturylady said:

They were NOT saved, because they didn't endure to the end,

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You cannot take one verse from a time talking about a specific few years on earth in the final days, and say that is some measure of eternal salvation for all time. Even for the new believers on earth still in those days, that this is talking about, I am not sure all of them will make it to the very end! Those who do will be saved of course. But what about those who, also in those same days, as Daniel prophesied,

Dan 12: 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. 13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

So people will be dying and falling, and learning things and being made white. If they were all perfect how could we be made white, or made perfect, or etc?

Re 2:26 - And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Rewards have to do with works. Those who are faithful will be made rulers over a lot. Those who were less faithful..over less. Some even apparently will be ashamed. Degrees of reward are not salvation. The end for people is not always the very end of all things either. Our end is what we should be concerned about. Many martyrs will be killed in those end days also, so their end and enduring will not be till the very end. Maybe there will be a special blessing for the poor folks who live through all of that hell and even make it to the very end. Nothing to do with eternal salvation.

but blasphemed the Holy Spirit with willful lying. People who believe the heresy of OSAS believe they can get away with murder. No they can't. The person who willfully sins belongs to the devil. Read 1 John 3

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The only way we could miss out on salvation (therefore be of the children of the wicked one) would be to willfully deny Jesus! THAT is the only sin unto eternal death.
In John 3 we see this..

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

The whole chapter deals with this. How Cain killed his brother, that was not love. How we should not turn away from the suffering of others. When we invited Jesus to live in us, of course we will stat having more love, He IS love.

Now for the context...that doesn't mean no one who is saved could ever not give spare change to all panhandlers. That doesn't mean saved people are suddenly immune to any and all temptation, such as to steal, or be angry or hate or lust etc. But with Him in us, we have the way to escape.
(that escape seems to take longer for some than others!) The problem with some folks being too religious is that they seem to look down on others. They are quick to cast stones. Did we see some weak saint smoking out in the alley one day? Some would say she was deliberately sinning and doomed to hell. Others would pray for her, and maybe see that in a few years she even got the victory over it. People are works in progress when saved, and learn things and lessons of love etc in life.

The folks who thought they were good in Jesus' day did not have the love of God in them. THAT is what makes us good.

1stcenturylady said:

Everyday. We walk in the Spirit everyday too.

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No...it was a one time event.

BNR32FAN said:

Bless you friend but in the illustration Jesus gave us in John 15 we are not trees we are the branches that are attached to the vine which is Jesus Christ as stated in verse 5.

“I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.”
‭‭JOHN‬ ‭15:5‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Verse 2 says The Father cuts off or removes every branch IN ME (Christ) that does not bear fruit.

Verse 4 Jesus says remain in Me. According to predestination and eternal security branches who are in Christ and attached to the vine which is Christ cannot fail to remain in Him. So why would Jesus tell them to remain in Him if they are incapable of falling away? Is He warning them of doing something that is impossible for them to do?

Verse 6 again according to predestination and eternal security would seem to be another warning even stating the consequences of doing the impossible failing to remain in Christ. A person cannot remain in Christ unless they are currently in Christ. The consequences in verse 2 and verse 6 indicate a loss of salvation as a result of failing to remain in Christ and failing to bear fruit. The consequences being they are cut off or removed from Christ, thrown away (without care or regard of one’s wellbeing) to wither (dry up and waste away) then thrown (again without care or regard) into the fire to be burned. The consequences given here result in the loss of salvation.

I will address the other questions in another post I would like to keep these separated just to make it easier. I prefer not to get too many subjects mixed up into one post. God bless

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I will expand my answer on this question from my other post...the main purpose of this parable or any other Parables in NT is for the hearer (them or you and me!) to understand them...there are messages and mysteries are found in those Parables but ONLY those who have understanding are one that will be benefit....(understanding comes from knowledge it's a gift of God)

So, Jesus knew they are incapable of remaining in Him by their own strength....But, the real focus of the Parables is whether the Hearer understand the way Jesus knew that they are unable to remain in Him by their own... unless God Himself is involved...

So some will responded to the message by faith...Eg they said in their heart " If God can create everything and have the power to give life to All creatures on earth and if there is nothing is impossible for Him to do...CERTAINLY Only Him who can enable Us to remain in His Son to be save..

But,

Some will responded in trying to justify or make a point to God of something that God knew they cannot do but given them to do anyway...and then punish them when fail..In other words they put God like an Unjust God, Unkind, Unloving etc...they made God like a HUMAN GOD but not an Almighty God!!! The God whose LOVE ENDURES FOREVER. ...

We can see these groups today!!!

God bless

dad said:

The problem is that sometimes people obey the old man, the flesh. That was a struggle for Paul all his life. Trying to put away the old man, old nature.

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It was NOT a struggle for Paul all his life, but only when he was a Pharisee and UNDER the LAW before Christ! You still don't get it do you?

Romans 7 vs. Romans 8
is the Law vs. Spirit;
ministry of death vs. ministry of Spirit;
old man vs. new man;
unsaved vs. saved.
Understand now?

When Paul became a Christian he was no longer under the LAW, but under the Spirit. Romans 7 no longer applied to Paul!

dad said:

You cannot take one verse from a time talking about a specific few years on earth in the final days, and say that is some measure of eternal salvation for all time. Even for the new believers on earth still in those days, that this is talking about, I am not sure all of them will make it to the very end! Those who do will be saved of course. But what about those who, also in those same days, as Daniel prophesied,

Dan 12: 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. 13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

So people will be dying and falling, and learning things and being made white. If they were all perfect how could we be made white, or made perfect, or etc?

Re 2:26 - And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Rewards have to do with works. Those who are faithful will be made rulers over a lot. Those who were less faithful..over less. Some even apparently will be ashamed. Degrees of reward are not salvation. The end for people is not always the very end of all things either. Our end is what we should be concerned about. Many martyrs will be killed in those end days also, so their end and enduring will not be till the very end. Maybe there will be a special blessing for the poor folks who live through all of that hell and even make it to the very end. Nothing to do with eternal salvation.

The only way we could miss out on salvation (therefore be of the children of the wicked one) would be to willfully deny Jesus! THAT is the only sin unto eternal death.
In John 3 we see this..

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

The whole chapter deals with this. How Cain killed his brother, that was not love. How we should not turn away from the suffering of others. When we invited Jesus to live in us, of course we will stat having more love, He IS love.

Now for the context...that doesn't mean no one who is saved could ever not give spare change to all panhandlers. That doesn't mean saved people are suddenly immune to any and all temptation, such as to steal, or be angry or hate or lust etc. But with Him in us, we have the way to escape.
(that escape seems to take longer for some than others!) The problem with some folks being too religious is that they seem to look down on others. They are quick to cast stones. Did we see some weak saint smoking out in the alley one day? Some would say she was deliberately sinning and doomed to hell. Others would pray for her, and maybe see that in a few years she even got the victory over it. People are works in progress when saved, and learn things and lessons of love etc in life.

The folks who thought they were good in Jesus' day did not have the love of God in them. THAT is what makes us good.

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Jesus couldn't stay on earth; He had to leave so the Spirit could come which is omnipresent. It is the Spirit that makes us dead to sin. It is the Spirit that is the seed of the Father. He who sins is a slave to sin and does not belong to Christ. Those with the Spirit cannot willfully commit lawless sins unto death.

Revelation 22:11 shows us a separation between those in hell and those going to heaven. Can you tell which is which, or do you think they are all in heaven?

ICONO'CLAST said:

No...it was a one time event.

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It didn't leave. And when you are filled with the Spirit, He doesn't leave either, unless you quench Him.

BCsenior said:

Jesus said to shake all of that dust off your feet
and vamoose out of Dodge, or some such thing.

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The church age of Sardis (if you know which that was) did a huge number on the church. Jesus said, they have a reputation for being alive, but they are dead. Their doctrine causes spiritual death. Easy grace is attractive to itching ears, and they would rather stay brainwashed than accept the warnings and stay in the fear of the Lord.

1stcenturylady said:

It was NOT a struggle for Paul all his life, but only when he was a Pharisee and UNDER the LAW before Christ! You still don't get it do you?

Romans 7 vs. Romans 8
is the Law vs. Spirit;
ministry of death vs. ministry of Spirit;
old man vs. new man;
unsaved vs. saved.
Understand now?

When Paul became a Christian he was no longer under the LAW, but under the Spirit. Romans 7 no longer applied to Paul!

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You completely miss the meaning of Romans 7 . That is not what Paul said at all.7:25Paul said he serves the law of God, not that He threw it away.
Looks like are supercharged spirit filled.posse somehow does not get doctrine right,go figure

ICONO'CLAST said:

You completely miss the meaning of Romans 7 . That is not what Paul said at all.7:25Paul said he serves the law of God, not that He threw it away.
Looks like are supercharged spirit filled.posse somehow does not get doctrine right,go figure

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The difference between Romans 7 and Romans 8 is SIN. The law showed us our sin; Christ takes our desire to sin away and makes us dead to sin. Thus, no longer need the law if you walk in the Spirit. You don't get that? Go figure.