Renewed Animal Sacrifices in Modern Jerusalem

BABerean2 · Apr 16, 2019

What does the Book of Hebrews say about animal sacrifices?

Heb 10:8 Previously saying, "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING, BURNT OFFERINGS, AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU DID NOT DESIRE, NOR HAD PLEASURE IN THEM" (which are offered according to the law),
Heb 10:9 then He said, "BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins.
Heb 10:12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God,
Heb 10:13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool.
Heb 10:14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
Heb 10:15 But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before,
Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM," (From the promise of the New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34)
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

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HTacianas · Apr 16, 2019

BABerean2 said:
What does the Book of Hebrews say about animal sacrifices?

Heb 10:8 Previously saying, "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING, BURNT OFFERINGS, AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU DID NOT DESIRE, NOR HAD PLEASURE IN THEM" (which are offered according to the law),
Heb 10:9 then He said, "BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins.
Heb 10:12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God,
Heb 10:13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool.
Heb 10:14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
Heb 10:15 But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before,
Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM," (From the promise of the New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34)
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

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I'm not sure what you're getting at here. You seem to be comparing apples to oranges.

Personally, I see offering animal sacrifices to God after the crucifixion of Christ as a particularly detestable act, but Jews don't accept his sacrifice so the letter to the Hebrews doesn't apply to them. Some Jews, even in modern day New York City, offer sacrifices on an individual basis.

SeventyOne · Apr 16, 2019

Interesting video. Just more prep for the upcoming rebuilding of their temple.

Dave-W · Apr 16, 2019

There are many more sacrifices that are NOT about sins.
I see no conflict on those sacrifices with the Sacrifice of our Lord.

Handmaid for Jesus · Apr 16, 2019

IMHO it is all done in vain, but, they don't think so. :sigh:

Jonathan Mathews · Apr 16, 2019

BABerean2 said:
What does the Book of Hebrews say about animal sacrifices?

Heb 10:8 Previously saying, "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING, BURNT OFFERINGS, AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU DID NOT DESIRE, NOR HAD PLEASURE IN THEM" (which are offered according to the law),
Heb 10:9 then He said, "BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins.
Heb 10:12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God,
Heb 10:13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool.
Heb 10:14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
Heb 10:15 But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before,
Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM," (From the promise of the New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34)
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

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It's both sad and exciting. Sad because they are missing the Feast of the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ and cannot be partakers of the Lord's Supper. But exciting because the sacrifices must resume before the Anti-Christ can abolish them (Daniel 12:11) and setup the "abomination that causes desolation" of the wicked. Prophecy is being fulfilled, and it ends in the Glory of God.

DamianWarS · Apr 16, 2019

Dave-W said:
There are many more sacrifices that are NOT about sins.
I see no conflict on those sacrifices with the Sacrifice of our Lord.

does the death on the cross occupy all those sacrifices? in reference to animal sacrifices which ones did you have in mind?

Hank77 · Apr 16, 2019

HTacianas said:
Personally, I see offering animal sacrifices to God after the crucifixion of Christ as a particularly detestable act,

I agree.

SeventyOne · Apr 16, 2019

DamianWarS said:
does the death on the cross occupy all those sacrifices? in reference to animal sacrifices which ones did you have in mind?

It could pertain to the Nazarite vow.

In Acts 21:26, we see Paul taking four men to the Temple who were under the vow and participated in the offering for each one of them. According to Numbers 6:14, part of that sacrifice was a one-year old lamb as a sin offering, one as a burnt offering, and a ram as a peace offering.

BABerean2 · Apr 16, 2019

HTacianas said:
Personally, I see offering animal sacrifices to God after the crucifixion of Christ as a particularly detestable act, but Jews don't accept his sacrifice so the letter to the Hebrews doesn't apply to them. Some Jews, even in modern day New York City, offer sacrifices on an individual basis.

Heb_7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

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Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—

Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

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1213 · Apr 16, 2019

BABerean2 said:
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Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

Yes, when the sin is removed and rejected, there is no reason for offerings for sin. But it also means person should be righteous after that.

...He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10

HTacianas · Apr 16, 2019

BABerean2 said:
Heb_7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

.................................

Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—

Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

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I've read all of that thank you.

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 16, 2019

HTacianas said:
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. You seem to be comparing apples to oranges.
Personally, I see offering animal sacrifices to God after the crucifixion of Christ as a particularly detestable act, but Jews don't accept his sacrifice so the letter to the Hebrews doesn't apply to them. Some Jews, even in modern day New York City, offer sacrifices on an individual basis.

Yes, it is sad indeed. Does anyone think this event recorded by Josephus literally happened?

https://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/timeline_military.html
The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

3. "As the High Priest were leading a heifer to the altar to be sacrificed, she brought forth a lamb, in the midst of the temple." Such is the strange account given by the historian. Some may regard it as a "Grecian fable," while others may think that they discern in this prodigy a miraculous rebuke of Jewish infidelity and impiety, for rejecting the ANTITYPICAL Lamb, who had offered Up Himself as an atonement, "once for all," and who, by thus completely fulfilling their design, had virtually abrogated the Levitical sacrifices. However this may be, the circumstances of the prodigy are remarkable. It did not occur in an obscure part of the city, but in the temple ; not at an ordinary time, but at the passover, the season of our LORD'S crucifixion in the presence, not of the vulgar merely, but of the High Priests and their attendants, and when they were leading the sacrifice to the altar...................

And this was happening just before the Romans came upon the City. How many Priests were in Jerusalem?

................The three factions, rendered frantic by drunkenness, rage, and desperation, trampling on heaps of slain, fought against each other with brutal savageness and madness. Even such as brou't sacrifices to the temple were murdered. The dead bodies of priests and worshippers, both natives and foreigners were heaped together, and a lake of blood stagnated in the sacred courts. John of Gischala, who headed one of the factions, burnt storehouses full of provisions ; and Simon, his great antagonist, who headed another of them, soon afterwards followed his example............

For five days after the destruction of the Temple, the priests who had escaped, sat, pining with hunger, on the top of one of its broken walls; at length, they came down, and humbly asked the pardon of Titus, which, however, he refused to grant them, saying, that, "as the Temple, for the sake of which he would have spared them, was destroyed, it was but fit that its priests should parish also:" -whereupon he commanded that they should be put to death. .........
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Malachi 2
1 “And now, O priests, this command is for you. 2 If you will not listen, if you will not take it to heart to give honor to my name, says the Lord of hosts, then I will send the curse upon you and I will curse your blessings. Indeed, I have already cursed them, because you do not lay it to heart.
3 Behold, I will rebuke your offspring,a and spread dung on your faces, the dung of your offerings, and you shall be taken away with it
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And this event concerning Jesus driving out the sellers and money changers:

John 2:
14 and He found in the Temple those selling oxen and sheep and doves, and the money-changers sitting,
15 and having made a whip of small cords, He put all forth out of the temple, also the sheep, and the oxen;
and of the money-changers he poured out the coins, and the tables he overthrew,

Jesus giving his 70ad discourse against the City and Temple:

Matthew 24:1
And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple.
2 And Jesus said to them, “ are ye not seeing all these? Amen I am saying to ye, not no may be being left here stone upon stone, which not shall be being thrown-down<2647>.”:

Same animals shown in John 2:14-15

Revelation 18:11
And the merchants of the land are lamenting and are mourning over Her, that the cargo of them no-one is buying anymore 13 and cinnamon and incenses and attars and frankincense and wine and oil and flour and grain and beasts and sheep and of horses and of chariots and of bodies and souls of men.

Nahum 3:2 A sound of a Whip, and sound of a quaking wheel, and horse galloping, and chariot leaping. A horseman mounting. And blazing sword, and flashing spear, and many wounded and mass of corpses and there is no end to bodies.

HTacianas · Apr 16, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said:
Yes, it is sad indeed. Does anyone think this event recorded by Josephus literally happened?

https://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/timeline_military.html
The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

3. "As the High Priest were leading a heifer to the altar to be sacrificed, she brought forth a lamb, in the midst of the temple." Such is the strange account given by the historian. Some may regard it as a "Grecian fable," while others may think that they discern in this prodigy a miraculous rebuke of Jewish infidelity and impiety, for rejecting the ANTITYPICAL Lamb, who had offered Up Himself as an atonement, "once for all," and who, by thus completely fulfilling their design, had virtually abrogated the Levitical sacrifices. However this may be, the circumstances of the prodigy are remarkable. It did not occur in an obscure part of the city, but in the temple ; not at an ordinary time, but at the passover, the season of our LORD'S crucifixion in the presence, not of the vulgar merely, but of the High Priests and their attendants, and when they were leading the sacrifice to the altar...................

And this was happening just before the Romans came upon the City. How many Priests were in Jerusalem?

................The three factions, rendered frantic by drunkenness, rage, and desperation, trampling on heaps of slain, fought against each other with brutal savageness and madness. Even such as brou't sacrifices to the temple were murdered. The dead bodies of priests and worshippers, both natives and foreigners were heaped together, and a lake of blood stagnated in the sacred courts. John of Gischala, who headed one of the factions, burnt storehouses full of provisions ; and Simon, his great antagonist, who headed another of them, soon afterwards followed his example............

For five days after the destruction of the Temple, the priests who had escaped, sat, pining with hunger, on the top of one of its broken walls; at length, they came down, and humbly asked the pardon of Titus, which, however, he refused to grant them, saying, that, "as the Temple, for the sake of which he would have spared them, was destroyed, it was but fit that its priests should parish also:" -whereupon he commanded that they should be put to death. .........
==================================================
Malachi 2
1 “And now, O priests, this command is for you. 2 If you will not listen, if you will not take it to heart to give honor to my name, says the Lord of hosts, then I will send the curse upon you and I will curse your blessings. Indeed, I have already cursed them, because you do not lay it to heart.
3 Behold, I will rebuke your offspring,a and spread dung on your faces, the dung of your offerings, and you shall be taken away with it
=======================================

And this event concerning Jesus driving out the sellers and money changers:

John 2:
14 and He found in the Temple those selling oxen and sheep and doves, and the money-changers sitting,
15 and having made a whip of small cords, He put all forth out of the temple, also the sheep, and the oxen;
and of the money-changers he poured out the coins, and the tables he overthrew,

Jesus giving his 70ad discourse against the City and Temple:

Matthew 24:1
And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple.
2 And Jesus said to them, “ are ye not seeing all these? Amen I am saying to ye, not no may be being left here stone upon stone, which not shall be being thrown-down<2647>.”:

Same animals shown in John 2:14-15

Revelation 18:11
And the merchants of the land are lamenting and are mourning over Her, that the cargo of them no-one is buying not-still 13 and cinnamon and incenses and attars and frankincense and wine and oil and flour and grain and beasts and sheep and of horses and of chariots and of bodies and souls of men.

Nahum 3:2 A sound of a Whip, and sound of a quaking wheel, and horse galloping, and chariot leaping. A horseman mounting. And blazing sword, and flashing spear, and many wounded and mass of corpses and there is no end to bodies.

All of those things.

There was an earthquake in the city shortly before it was destroyed. You mentioned the three factions fighting:

Rev 16:18 - ....and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

Rev 16:19 - And the great city was divided into three parts..

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 16, 2019

HTacianas said:
All of those things.

There was an earthquake in the city shortly before it was destroyed. You mentioned the three factions fighting:

Rev 16:18 - ....and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

Rev 16:19 - And the great city was divided into three parts

There were a few great earthquakes that occurred after the Cross:

Isa 29:6
the LORD Almighty will come with thunder and earthquake and great noise, with windstorm and tempest and flames of a devouring fire.
Ezekiel 38:19
"And in MY jealously, in fire of rage of ME I speak,
if not in that day, shall become a great earthquake<7494> on ground<127> of Israel"
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Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

Matthew 24:7
"For shall be being roused nation upon nation, and kingdom upon kingdom.
And shall be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes<4578> according places.
Mark 13:8
“For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
And there will be earthquakes in various places, and there will be famines and troubles.[fn] These are the beginnings of sorrows.
Luke 21:11
“And there will be great earthquakes<4578> in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven.
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Matthew 27:
51 and behold! the veil of the Sanctuary<3485> was rent in two from top unto bottom. And the land did quake<4579>, and the rocks were rent.
54 And the centurion, and those with him watching Jesus, having seen the earthquake<4578>, and the things that were done, were exceedingly afraid, saying, `Truly this One was Son of God.'

Matthew 28:2
And behold! a great earthquake<4578> became; for a Messenger of Lord descended out of heaven, and approaching, rolls away the stone from the door and sat on it.

Acts 16:26
Yet suddenly! a great earthquake<4578> occurred, so that to be shaken<4531> the foundations<2310> of the prison.
Immediately all the doors and all of the bindings were loosed.

JackRT · Apr 16, 2019

Micah 6:6 "With what shall I come before the Lord, And bow myself before the High God? Shall I come before Him with burnt offerings, With calves a year old? 7 Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rams, Ten thousand rivers of oil? Shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, The fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? 8 He has shown you, O man, what is good; And what does the Lord require of you But to do justly, To love mercy, And to walk humbly with your God."

I find the idea of animal sacrifice to be quite distasteful but when people are convinced of a religious belief, they can be induced to do almost anything. The Aztecs were convinced that a human sacrifice was needed every day to make the sun rise tomorrow.

BABerean2 · Apr 16, 2019

Dave-W said:
There are many more sacrifices that are NOT about sins.
I see no conflict on those sacrifices with the Sacrifice of our Lord.

Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Mat_27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

Mar_15:38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.

Luk_23:45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.

What man or woman can repair the damage to the veil, which God has ripped in half?

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DamianWarS · Apr 16, 2019

SeventyOne said:
It could pertain to the Nazarite vow.

In Acts 21:26, we see Paul taking four men to the Temple who were under the vow and participated in the offering for each one of them. According to Numbers 6:14, part of that sacrifice was a one-year old lamb as a sin offering, one as a burnt offering, and a ram as a peace offering.

and why doesn't Christ occupy the sin, burnt and peace offering? the first two are about sin so it's easy to apply to Christ but the peace offering is unique, an animal is sacrificed then is shared in fellowship as a meal. But isn't Christ also sacrificed and shared in fellowship in communion? Is not Christ the peace offering? Paul's action in Acts 21 are to reach the Jews and to show that he is not telling Jews to reject their heritage

SeventyOne · Apr 16, 2019

DamianWarS said:
and why doesn't Christ occupy the sin, burnt and peace offering? the first two are about sin so it's easy to apply to Christ but the peace offering is unique, an animal is sacrificed then is shared in fellowship as a meal. But isn't Christ also sacrificed and shared in fellowship in communion? Is not Christ the peace offering? Paul's action in Acts 21 are to reach the Jews and to show that he is not telling Jews to reject their heritage

It seems fairly apparent why Paul did what he did. The real question is how do we incorporate the same into our world today with sacrifices being renewed. Seems like Paul himself was under the same Nazarite vow long after he became a believer as well (Acts 18:18). Too many today would immediately condemn him for it.

BABerean2 · Apr 16, 2019

SeventyOne said:
It seems fairly apparent why Paul did what he did. The real question is how do we incorporate the same into our world today with sacrifices being renewed. Seems like Paul himself was under the same Nazarite vow long after he became a believer as well (Acts 18:18). Too many today would immediately condemn him for it.

I have had friends who shaved their head, but it had nothing to do with sacrifices.

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