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I have been around the Messianic movement for over 20 years and I have yet to find ANYONE, let alone our best theologians, who say anything like that.

FAKE NEWS.
DaveW you told me, yourself, at another forum, that the Gentiles have a secondary position. I asked you about the Millennial Kingdom and the ranking of the Jews vs. the Gentiles. I could say you have a FAKE MEMORY.

I've been around the Messianic Movement since the 80s. I posted with them at a Messianic forum for many years. I invited a preacher friend of mine to post there. He couldn't take it because he couldn't tolerate the teachings. A prominent poster there did not believe that Jesus was divine. No one objected.

Did you know that for the first time in America that most Americans claim to not be tied to any religion at all. They no longer claim Christian, Protestant, Catholic, Jewish...

When two salvations are taught; when people like Hagee excuse the Jews because Jesus did not come as the Messiah; when Christian are claiming science as more authoritative than the Bible; etc. etc....It's no wonder that so many are rejecting the Word when the word is mocked from within.
 
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Actually, yeah, He was technically Asian. The Middle East is technically Asia. If you mean what skin color He was, well the most likely answer is that He was brown, as people from that part of the world tend to be brown.

-CryptoLutheran
Do you believe in the pre-existence of the Son of God?

Do you believe what Paul said about God's envisioning of the church before the foundation of the world?

Most of why so many claim that He was a Jew is tied to Judaism which uses this as the standard as to whether or not one is a Jew: Do you have a Jewish mother? If so, you are a Jew. Now, we know that He knew the Scriptures to perfection, and He did come as a Jew to the Jews - no dispute about that - and that was because He was going to do something that no other human being could ever do....Keep the Law to perfection and fulfill it such that it would become obsolete. Read the Book of Hebrews.

When the Law was in effect, a payment was demanded when the Law is broken.

Christ provided what the Father demanded as a once and final payment. The sin of mankind was placed upon the Son and His righteousness was imputed to the Believer. The color of His physical skin is irrelevant compared to this.

Again, read the Book of Hebrews and what is said about Christ's once and final payment. It it was not sufficient then a sacrifice would still be required for sin.

Whose blood was Christ's?
 
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Do you believe in the pre-existence of the Son of God?

Begotten before all ages, God of God, Light of Light, true God of true God.

The Eternal and Uncreated and Almighty God is a Jewish carpenter from Nazareth.

"So, following the holy fathers, we all with one voice teach the confession of one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ: the same perfect in Deity and perfect in humanity, the same truly God and truly man, of a rational soul and a body; consubstantial with the Father as regards his divinity, and the same consubstantial with us as regards his humanity; like us in all respects except for sin; begotten before the ages from the Father as regards his divinity, and in the last days the same for us and for our salvation from Mary, the virgin God-bearer as regards his humanity; one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, only-begotten, acknowledged in two natures which undergo no confusion, no change, no division, no separation; at no point was the difference between the natures taken away through the union, but rather the property of both natures is preserved and comes together into a single person and a single subsistent being; he is not parted or divided into two persons, but is one and the same only-begotten Son, God, Word, Lord Jesus Christ, just as the prophets taught from the beginning about him, and as the Lord Jesus Christ himself instructed us, and as the creed of the fathers handed it down to us." - Definition of Chalcedon

"For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess; that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God, of the Substance of the Father; begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the Substance of his mother, born in the world. Perfect God; and perfect Man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father, as touching his Godhead; and inferior to the Father as touching his Manhood. Who although he is God and Man; yet he is not two, but one Christ. One; not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh; but by assumption of the Manhood into God. One altogether; not by confusion of Substance; but by unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man; so God and Man is one Christ; Who suffered for our salvation; descended into hell; rose again the third day from the dead. He ascended into heaven, he sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty, from whence he will come to judge the living and the dead." - From the Athanasian Creed or Quicumque Vult

The Hypostatic Union means the Eternal Son and Word became man, and this God-Man, Jesus the Christ, Lord, Savior, King Eternal, was conceived and born of the Virgin Mary, God-bearer. A Jew, the Son of David, of the Tribe of Judah, the Seed of Abraham.

Barukh ata Adonai Eloheinu, Melekh ha-Olam.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Those who follow the Kinism belief system don't dismiss non-whites as those who cannot be saved, but instead this belief places various people groups into what I'd call a "pecking order."

Kinism is a white supremacist interpretation of Christianity. The ideology is a "movement of anti-immigrant, 'Southern heritage' separatists who splintered off from Christian Reconstructionism to advocate that God's intended order is 'loving one's kind' by separating people along 'tribal and ethnic' lines to live in large, extended-family groups."

Kinism - Wikipedia

I'm not a religious believer, but I have read the Bible. Seems to me any kind of pecking order among Christians is un-Biblical. I can think of a few passages:

“I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him." Acts 10:34-35

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Gal 3:28

"If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors." James 2:9

And if God expects people of different tribes and ethnic groups to live separately, why would this be part of OT law?

"For the Lord your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe. He executes justice for the orphan and the widow, and shows His love for the alien by giving him food and clothing. So show your love for the alien, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt." Deut. 10:17-19.

I can think of a politician or two who should read that verse. But that's off-topic.
 
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