US makes list of most dangerous countries for journalists.

I believe it . Trump and other RWs vilify the press so much that mentally disturbed people and extremists have killed journalists.

Brightmoon said:

I believe it . Trump and other RWs vilify the press so much that mentally disturbed people and extremists have killed journalists.

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Capital Gazette shooting - Wikipedia

No, it seems five people were killed in a single shooting in 2018 by some nutcase with a personal grudge against the paper, The Capital gazette. (though four were Journos and one a sales team member, but don't know if they have included the sales team member of the gazette into the list, even so, this one incident is responsible for 4/6 or 5/6 of the 2018 deaths)

But hey, spin.

All Englands Skies said:

Capital Gazette shooting - Wikipedia

No, it seems five people were killed in a single shooting in 2018 by some nutcase with a personal grudge against the paper, The Capital gazette. (though four were Journos and one a sales team member, but don't know if they have included the sales team member of the gazette into the list, even so, this one incident is responsible for 4/6 or 5/6 of the 2018 deaths)

But hey, spin.

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No, no spin.

The President of the United States has publicly declared on multiple occasions that the News is the Enemy of the people.

Are you saying that the word of the President of the United States is meaningless?

I'm being serious, no hyperbole.

Where I come from, you take a man on his word.

As a journalist, when the leader of the Executive Branch declares you "The Enemy of the People" and is on record supporting those who threaten journalists, you'd be a fool to not take those threats seriously.

So yes, as a journalist you should be afraid. The IRS could come for you, Law Enforcement could contrive some flimsy excuse to arrest you, etc etc.

Not sure why you feel differently? Why shouldn't I take the President of the United States on his word?

I'm being serious. Please explain to me why I shouldn't believe the multiple threats and statements made by the President of the United States countless times to Journalists?

dgiharris said:

The President of the United States has publicly declared on multiple occasions that the News is the Enemy of the people.

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I've heard him decry "fake news". I've not heard him say that all news is the enemy of the people, or that all news is fake news. He does call CNN "fake news".

Since your claim is that he has called news, in general, the enemy of the people, I am asking for full context citations. Since you state he declared this on multiple occasions, it shouldn't be too difficult to cite 3 or 4, full context examples.

Thanks.

dgiharris said:

No, no spin.

The President of the United States has publicly declared on multiple occasions that the News is the Enemy of the people.

Are you saying that the word of the President of the United States is meaningless?

I'm being serious, no hyperbole.

Where I come from, you take a man on his word.

As a journalist, when the leader of the Executive Branch declares you "The Enemy of the People" and is on record supporting those who threaten journalists, you'd be a fool to not take those threats seriously.

So yes, as a journalist you should be afraid. The IRS could come for you, Law Enforcement could contrive some flimsy excuse to arrest you, etc etc.

Not sure why you feel differently? Why shouldn't I take the President of the United States on his word?

I'm being serious. Please explain to me why I shouldn't believe the multiple threats and statements made by the President of the United States countless times to Journalists?

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That's an issue in itself, what trump says to degrade journalists, but is he actually responsible for all the six US Journalists killed in 2018?......

However four to five (if they include the paper sales team member) of the six journalists killed in 2018 America was one incident, a personal grudge that pre-dates trump.

I found that out with a quick internet search, but here you are saying its actually wrong and trump is to blame.

So yeah, spin...….

This is not even about supporting trump, its about people using anything to further their agenda.

dgiharris said:

No, no spin.

The President of the United States has publicly declared on multiple occasions that the News is the Enemy of the people.

Are you saying that the word of the President of the United States is meaningless?

I'm being serious, no hyperbole.

Where I come from, you take a man on his word.

As a journalist, when the leader of the Executive Branch declares you "The Enemy of the People" and is on record supporting those who threaten journalists, you'd be a fool to not take those threats seriously.

So yes, as a journalist you should be afraid. The IRS could come for you, Law Enforcement could contrive some flimsy excuse to arrest you, etc etc.

Not sure why you feel differently? Why shouldn't I take the President of the United States on his word?

I'm being serious. Please explain to me why I shouldn't believe the multiple threats and statements made by the President of the United States countless times to Journalists?

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Perhaps they should get into a more loyal profession…

TheBear said:

I've heard him decry "fake news". I've not heard him say that all news is the enemy of the people, or that all news is fake news. He does call CNN "fake news".

Since your claim is that he has called news, in general, the enemy of the people, I am asking for full context citations. Since you state he declared this on multiple occasions, it shouldn't be too difficult to cite 3 or 4, full context examples.

Thanks.

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No Sir. You don't get to wiggle out of what an adult says. If I am on record repeatedly saying that Rape isn't that bad I don't get to take those statements back by saying "Well, you don't have the full context so you can't say that I said that rape is bad..."

The only "Fake news" out there is the Enquirer. The New York Times, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, Washington Post, Huffington Post, etc are all "REAL" news orgs. Sure, they are biased, but that doesn't mean they are fake. So you don't get to hide behind "Full context citations"... No. You are an adult, you own what you say. One slip of the tongue or one 30 second sound byte taken out of context and sure, I will agree with you. But let's not pretend that is what happened. You are being ridiculously disingenuous and quite frankly delusional if you think for a nano-second that Trump has not repeatedly called "The Main Stream Media" fake news...

I guess that is what Trump supporters have come to believe, they believe that all those news orgs are fake news therefore when the president threatens those news orgs it is justified???

I just don't understand how this even remotely makes sense to anyone???

BTW, the below links took all of 30 seconds to compile, I could have kept going for the next hour but I'll just stop here

this took all of 30 seconds

Some local newscaster from my parents area received death threats for interrupting the masters with a severe tornado warning so yeah.

Some of the particularly nasty comments on her FB page (which have been deleted) were from seemingly fake accounts and used the same language and phrases such as mentioning we can't trust media, Trump, and fake news. Although I don't know why actual weather would be considered fake news or a topic that you would want to kill a journalist over even if it meant you didn't see a golf game for 5 min.

I do think the current condition of politics have made more nutjob people feel safer in attacking what they deem "media" that have wronged them or their ideals or counting them as enemies , even bottom of the totem pole weather girls.

All Englands Skies said:

That's an issue in itself, what trump says to degrade journalists, but is he actually responsible for all the six US Journalists killed in 2018?......

However four to five (if they include the paper sales team member) of the six journalists killed in 2018 America was one incident, a personal grudge that pre-dates trump.

I found that out with a quick internet search, but here you are saying its actually wrong and trump is to blame.

So yeah, spin...….

This is not even about supporting trump, its about people using anything to further their agenda.

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Please quote where I say that Trump is responsible for the killing of the 6 journalists???

No.

What I am saying is that Trump is creating a very hostile environment for journalists and the power of Unintended Consequences runs rampant in environments such as this.

What I am saying, is that when the leader of the government, ANY GOVERNMENT, declares you an "Enemy of the people" then that declaration puts you in danger and you would be a fool to not take that declaration seriously.

There are a 1001 "legal" ways a government can adversely affect your life. My brother was dating some cop's little sister and the cop hated my brother. So said cop along with his cop friends, decided to literally follow my brother around 24/7 and write him tickets for every little thing they could think of. In just two weeks, my brother racked up over $2k in tickets. It got so bad that he would hop the fence and take the bus to work. He went to the police precinct and they literally laughed him out of the precinct as they all stood by their fellow officers. After a month of this, he decided it wasn't worth it and stopped dating the girl.

and that was just one little cop, not the President of the United States.

So let me be crystal clear in my argument. My argument is that when the leader of any nation declares you an "Enemy of the People" then you would be a complete and total fool to not feel that that declaration will have serious repercussions on your livelihood and life. It is a threat to take seriously.

So you don't need to twist my argument because I'm giving it to your straight up with no spin. That is exactly what I'm saying.

Aryeh Jay said:

Perhaps they should get into a more loyal profession…

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like working for Trump

tons of loyalty there

"I only hire the best people..."

TLK Valentine said:

I didn't mention Donald in the OP, as I would believe that he is not responsible for the deaths of journalists.

That said, however, has Donald's words and deeds made America more safe for journalists, or less safe?

(ETA: we have had a Donald supporter mailing explosives to CNN... fortunately he was not a talented bombmaker.)

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You didn't mention old Donny, I Know, it was other posters replying, I was referring too..

dgiharris said:

No Sir. You don't get to wiggle out of what an adult says. If I am on record repeatedly saying that Rape isn't that bad I don't get to take those statements back by saying "Well, you don't have the full context so you can't say that I said that rape is bad..."

The only "Fake news" out there is the Enquirer. The New York Times, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, Washington Post, Huffington Post, etc are all "REAL" news orgs. Sure, they are biased, but that doesn't mean they are fake. So you don't get to hide behind "Full context citations"... No. You are an adult, you own what you say. One slip of the tongue or one 30 second sound byte taken out of context and sure, I will agree with you. But let's not pretend that is what happened. You are being ridiculously disingenuous and quite frankly delusional if you think for a nano-second that Trump has not repeatedly called "The Main Stream Media" fake news...

I guess that is what Trump supporters have come to believe, they believe that all those news orgs are fake news therefore when the president threatens those news orgs it is justified???

I just don't understand how this even remotely makes sense to anyone???

BTW, the below links took all of 30 seconds to compile, I could have kept going for the next hour but I'll just stop here

this took all of 30 seconds

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All sizzle, no steak.

First of all, I was merely asking for full context citations of Trump declaring that the media, by and large, is the enemy of the people. That was all. There was no intent of "wiggling out of it". You failed to do so. Instead, you cited where he said that fake news is the enemy of the people, (which I agree with and so should you and every other rational citizen), and third party accusations of him claiming that. Of course it only took you 30 seconds ... it was lazy chopping of soundbites. A 3rd grader could do as much, because their thinking lacks nuance. Adults shouldn't have that problem.

If I were a reporter following you around every day, and I only reported anything that could possibly be construed as negative, and interpreted anything you said or did in the worst, most evil way possible, including taking things out of context, omitting any positives, in order to bolster my pre-concieved image of you I'm trying to portray, would you consider me an objective journalist or a propagandist?

Now settle down and try again. This time, put some grownup thought into it.

TheBear said:

All sizzle, no steak.

First of all, I was merely asking for full context citations of Trump declaring that the media, by and large, is the enemy of the people. That was all. There was no intent of "wiggling out of it". You failed to do so. Instead, you cited where he said that fake news is the enemy of the people, (which I agree with and so should you and every other rational citizen), and third party accusations of him claiming that. Of course it only took you 30 seconds ... it was lazy chopping of soundbites. A 3rd grader could do as much, because their thinking lacks nuance. Adults shouldn't have that problem.

If I were a reporter following you around every day, and I only reported anything that could possibly be construed as negative, and interpreted anything you said or did in the worst, most evil way possible, including taking things out of context, omitting any positives, in order to bolster my pre-concieved image of you I'm trying to portray, would you consider me an objective journalist or a propagandist?

Now settle down and try again. This time, put some grownup thought into it.

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No American leader should ever declare any news organization - no matter how biased - an enemy of the people. It's abundantly clear that Trump uses the fake news moniker to label any information that reflects poorly on him. I simply don't understand anyone who would even being to defend such behavior.

I say this as someone who works for a "mainstream" news outlet.

Yes, I say to you in no uncertain terms, there is a problem wherein many so-called professionals, from newspaper reporters to TV news to popular online platforms, just aren't doing their jobs.

I've seen a lot, including lazy coverage, failure to research out even basic material, willful disregard of official style guides, failure to proof-read, failure to properly vet alleged evidence, and even editorial staff overtly declaring a party line when it comes to coverage of a controversial issue.

People all over the US, and in many other parts of the world, are guilty of this.

One major entertainment news website is now potentially staring down a lawsuit because they failed to do their due diligence when a particular voice actor was accused of getting to handsy with female fans; basically, they took all of the "evidence" people were putting forward at face value, only to have a number of folks contact them later on to tell them that various bits of "evidence" were either fake or removed from context (such as one photograph where the involved parties were deliberately posed in an unusual way in an attempt to make a novelty image).

The more people in the industry louse this stuff up, the easier it is for people like Trump to dismiss anything they don't like as "fake" news and keep moving.

As for myself...

The instance where I was in the greatest danger during my time in the industry had *nothing* to do with a deliberate act of violence. Rather, it involved someone who was driving under the influence crashing into the building next door, causing a massive fire.

If you ignore the domestic terror group that is Antifa, I'm more likely to come up against a drunken hooligan or a mugger than anyone specifically targeting me for what I do.

Congratulations. I'm sure you can make number 1, keep at it.