When did Jesus die and come back to life?

ChristianForCats said:

Are either of these ideas Biblical? What about a Wednesday death or Monday resurrection?

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The Lord entered Jerusalem on what should be Palm Saturday fulfilling the selection of the lambs type on Nissan 10.

He was in the "house" of the Jews for several days with the last supper being on what we would call Tuesday night - (which was the preparation meal for Passover with the removal of all leaven and not the Passover meal itself- see the washing of feet and the sending out of Judas by the Lord).

He was arrested on (what we would call) Tuesday night and put on trial and crucified on Wed. morning.

He died late in the Wed. afternoon of the 14th of Nissan just before the "high" sabbath on Thursday the 15th.

He was put in the tomb at dusk on Wed. which was also the beginning of Thursday for the Jews.

The women bought and prepared spices on Friday - between the two sabbaths. There are no errors concerning the scriptures telling us that they rested on the sabbath and then bought and prepared spices and that they bought and prepared spices and then rested on the sabbath.

They came to the tomb while it was still dark on what we would call the predawn of Sunday.

He had already risen by dawn - having risen at dusk on the end of Saturday and what the Jews saw as the beginning of the 1st day of the week.

He was in the tomb exactly 72 hours. He rose "on" the 3rd day; "after" 3 days; and "in" 3 days just as Jesus said on various occasions.

That's 3 days and 3 nights exactly.

This was all in minute fulfillment of the O.T. type from Exodus and Leviticus. I.e.- the selection of the lambs on what the Jews called the "great sabbath"of the 10th; the cleansing of the house of all leaven at the last supper; the death of the sacrifice lamb and the application of His blood; the God caused "wandering" on the Egyptian side of the Red Sea until darkness on the sabbath of the 17th; the crossing of the Red Sea at night; the open show of Pharaoh (the type of Satan) at dawn; the waving of the first fruits offering before the Lord on the day after the sabbath following Passover ---- and many other such prophecies.

The traditional "Easter" times and days leave us with a N.T. that is replete with errors of various kinds. But traditions die hard and churches that don't hold the highest possible regard for the accuracy of the scriptures are ill equipped to correct the mistakes of some 2000 years of obviously inaccurate tradition.

His student said:

The Lord entered Jerusalem on what should be Palm Saturday fulfilling the selection of the lambs type on Nissan 10.

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Um...NO. You are having Him ride a donkey, thus breaking the Sabbath. Also, they were NOT buying their lambs on Shabbat...

ChristianForCats said:

Most people seem to believe Jesus was crucified on a Friday because sundown was the start of that week's Sabbath. The problem with this assumption is Jesus was dead not only three days, but also three nights. There are two nights between Friday at sunset and Sunday at sunrise so that is mathematically impossible unless he rose on a Tuesday.

I actually read an article about that. According to the writer, the only way "on the third day" is the same as "three days and three nights" is if it refers to the third day of the week. Of course, this would move the crucifixion date to a Saturday evening.

1. Saturday night
   
2. Sunday day/night
3. Monday day/night
4. Tuesday morning

This wouldl put The Last Supper on a Friday night - the beginning of a weekly Sabbath.

Another article proposes Jesus was crucified on a Thursday in order to make three nights and a Sunday resurrection. The writer of that one argues the word Sabbath does not have to mean a Friday night-Saturday night break from work because Jewish holidays are their own Sabbaths - meaning it could have been a Thursday night-Friday night Passover Sabbath. It looks like this:

1. Thursday night
2. Friday day/night
3. Saturday day/night
4. Sunday morning

Are either of these ideas Biblical? What about a Wednesday death or Monday resurrection?

Sorry if this post is too long.

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The scholars who do bible commentaries, past and present, have a way of explaining the period in question. These commentaries are where to go to have the difficult bible questions dealt with. In my limited dealings I have always seen commentors start by presuming the bible account is true.

His student said:

...He was put in the tomb at dusk on Wed. which was also the beginning of Thursday for the Jews....

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In this scenario, you actually deny that Sunday (the first day of the week) is the third day, which is a clear contradiction of Scripture. Cleopas said, emphatically, "today is the third day."

Here's a very generous chart of the Wednesday timeline, where the counting is delayed until Wednesday night (the beginning of Thursday). As you can see, there is no possible way that Sunday is the third day.



And like I said, this chart is generous, as the counting should start Wednesday day, if Jesus was indeed crucified Wednesday.

Calminian said:

The only issue is the nights in the sign of Jonah parable, which refers to the heart of the earth, which is not a reference to the grave.

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According to you.

ChristianForCats said:

Of course they presume the Bible is true - becaues it is. Otherwise they would not be Bible scholars.

Are there specific commentaries you recommend?

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I would draw all your attention to the testimony of Cleopas who spoke to Jesus unaware on the road to Emmaus. He said Sunday was the third day from 3 specific events—the incarceration, sentencing and crucifixion of Jesus.


Notice Sunday is the third day since all of the things mentioned. Notice also that Jesus' burial is not specifically mentioned.

This is why the Wednesday and Thursday theories can never work. Sunday was the third day since even the arrest of Jesus, and was passing as they were speaking. This means only Saturday can be the second day, and only Friday the crucifixion day.

ChristianForCats said:

Those verses do not specify "the third day" was the first day of the week (what we call Sunday).

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You're simply wrong. Luke 24 makes this fact explicit.


Clear enough? Now look at Cleopas' statement in its entirety.


Let's also throw Mark into the mix.


To deny Sunday as the third day is to deny the testimony of the Gospel writers.

Calminian said:

No, that's 4 days (Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday morning), 3 nights (Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night). Jesus was placed in the tomb before sundown.

Thursday doesn't work.

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You need to take into consideration of the method of reckoning time during the OT and the time of Jesus. Do not use today's method of reckoning from midnight.

Genesis 1:5
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

on the evening of the sixth day (thursday night) Jesus went to the garden to pray and the disciples fell asleep then Jesus was taken into captivity by the guards.

Luke 22
63 And the men that held Jesus mocked him, and smote him.
64 And when they had blindfolded him, they struck him on the face, and asked him, saying, Prophesy, who is it that smote thee?
65 And many other things blasphemously spake they against him.
66 And as soon as it was day, (friday morning) the elders of the people and the chief priests and the scribes came together, and led him into their council, saying,

on the sixth day (preparation day, Friday day) Jesus died at the ninth hour on the cross.


Jesus laid in the tomb on the Sabbath from sundown on the sixth day to sundown on the seventh day.

Jesus arose from the tomb on the first day of the week which started per OT reckoning Saturday night at sundown

Therefore it is three days and three nights by OT reckoning

Sixth day started at sundown on Thursday night # one
Sixth day died on the cross day # one
ended at sundown on Friday evening the start of the Sabbath night #2
Rested in the tomb on the Sabbath day day #2
The first day of the week started at sundown on the close of the Sabbath night # 3

The OT reckoning of days was that any part of the evening and morning were considered a day.

Thus Jesus was ( He wasn't talking about the tomb or vault. He was talking about the heart of the earth meaning the clutches of the world.) for three days and three nights in the clutches of the world.


See post # 66 above

@Calminian

the above post was not in response to your post it was for prodromos

My error

prodromos said:

It doesn't have to be 72 hours, my post was in reply to someone who said it was. But you still cannot have Jesus dead for 3 days and 3 nights AND rise ON the 3rd day.

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You need to take into consideration of the method of reckoning time during the OT and the time of Jesus. Do not use today's method of reckoning from midnight.

Genesis 1:5
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and themorning were the first day.

on the evening of the sixth day (thursday night) Jesus went to the garden to pray and the disciples fell asleep then Jesus was taken into captivity by the guards.

Luke 22
63 And the men that held Jesus mocked him, and smote him.
64 And when they had blindfolded him, they struck him on the face, and asked him, saying, Prophesy, who is it that smote thee?
65 And many other things blasphemously spake they against him.
66 And as soon as it was day, (friday morning) the elders of the people and the chief priests and the scribes came together, and led him into their council, saying,

on the sixth day (preparation day, Friday day) Jesus died at the ninth hour on the cross.


Jesus laid in the tomb on the Sabbath from sundown on the sixth day to sundown on the seventh day.

Jesus arose from the tomb on the first day of the week which started per OT reckoning Saturday night at sundown

Therefore it is three days and three nights by OT reckoning

Sixth day started at sundown on Thursday night # one
Sixth day died on the cross day # one
ended at sundown on Friday evening the start of the Sabbath night #2
Rested in the tomb on the Sabbath day day #2
The first day of the week started at sundown on the close of the Sabbath night # 3

The OT reckoning of days was that any part of the evening and morning were considered a day.

Thus Jesus was ( He wasn't talking about the tomb or vault. He was talking about the heart of the earth meaning the clutches of the world.) for three days and three nights in the clutches of the world.


See post # 66 above

Hopefully, interest in the meaning of the phrase "heart of the earth" will increase. I think once people research that phrase, it becomes clear it's not a reference to the grave.

ChristianForCats said:

Jesus said Jonah was "in the belly of a fish" for three days and three nights, correct? This would mean the heart of the earth is the grave.

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Why? Even today, when someone is described as entering the "belly of the whale" or "belly of the beast" it's not a reference to the grave. It's rather a dire life threatening situation. And Jonah didn't die, but was rather captive to the whale for 3 days and 3 nights. That seems to correspond better with Christ being captive to earthly sinful men, starting Thursday night in Gethsemane.

Also Jonah willingly entered the sea and the whale of his own accord, just as Christ willingly entered into custody of his own accord in Gethsemane. The analogy works much better with all the events of the Passion.