Do you think the earth reaped time in Rev. 14 is the rapture?

Why do you think Rev. 15:1 refers to the seven last plagues?

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I don't see why you think the 6th vial happens before the 7th trumpet.

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The vials are God's wrath.

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Do you see this verse as about the vials of God's wrath?
Rev. 18:6
...fill to her double. {The vials will be dumped out on the wicked, and then refilled, and poured out again.}}
What do you think the part of "Come out of her, my people,...that ye receive not of her plagues." means?

Who is leaving Babylon?
And what plagues do you think are just starting against Babylon after those people leave?

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You said that the beast kills the two witnesses during the trumpet times.
Okay, so then Satan is come down (has earth and sea woes), the beast is here too, and the trumpets are going}}.

Do you agree that the patience of the saints part of Rev. 14 links back to Rev. 13's saints?

Rev. 13:5
...him a mouth speaking great things...Rev. 13:7
...to make war with the saints 13:10
... Here is the patience...

Here is the patience of the saints...Rev. 14:12

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Do you think the earth and sea woe referred to in Rev. 12:12 and Rev. 7's hurt the earth and the sea parts are for the same time?

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Do you think the 8:13 last three earth woes are letting us know that the last of the woes will be the earth section of plagues?

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vinsight4u said:

Would you say that die in the Lord means the same thing as to die in Christ?

The dead in Christ will rise first.

So are those dying in the Lord in Rev. 14 needng to come in slain before the dead in Christ rise?
Once the dead in Christ rise, do you think there will follow more saints dying in the Lord?

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vinsight4u said:

Hi Lysimachus,

I see you making comments as to Rev. is not in order. I agree. Do you think we can get it in order as to how John saw it? I do.

Do you see how Rev. 18 and 19 both begin new visions?

Rev. 18:1
And after these thngs........Rev. 19:1 And after these things...{{this vision runs into Rev. 22 before it is done.

/Do you take this as showing that for sure chapters 17-22 run already in proper sequence?

Rev. 16:1
And... {So this vision began elsewhere}}
Will it link directly to chaper 17?
16:1
...pour out the vials...
17:1
And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials...
{{So we can tell that the last thing John saw this angel doing something with was a vial.}} This makes chapter 16 link to 17.

This shows chapters 16-22 all connect one right into the other. This section of Rev. doesn't have any missing pieces that were scattered/hidden elsewhere in Revelation. This is because Rev. 22 shows this section as to it all came from this" book. It is referring to the little book that John ate back in chapter 10.
He ate it because there was more to prophesy. Rev 22 refers to the plagues written in this book, and the holy city written in this book. The plagues for the trumpet times will not be found in this book section.

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Choose Wisely said:

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Why do you think that Rev 10:7 says.....But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished........?

I don't see how the 6th trumpet can happen before the 6th vial.
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Revelation 8 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
The Seventh Seal
8 When the Lamb broke the seventh seal... 5 Then the angel took the censer and filled it with the fire of the altar, and threw it to the earth; and there followed peals of thunder and sounds and flashes of lightning and an earthquake.

Revelation 11 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
The Seventh Trumpet—Christ’s Reign Foreseen 15 Then the seventh angel sounded [his trumpet] ...19 ... and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm....

Revelation 16 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
17 Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl upon the air, ... 18 And there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder; and there was a great earthquake,...21 And huge hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, *came down from heaven upon men; and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, because its plague was extremely severe.

The 7'th seal, trumpet, and bowl all say they are associated with lightning, thunder, and an earthquake. The 7'th trumpet and the 7'th bowl mention a severe hailstorm. I think John the Revelator was telling us that they are all the same event, the Second Advent. Revelation is not chronological.

Recall

Revelation 6 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
The Sixth Seal—Terror
12 I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; 13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth ...

Jesus said a darkened sun and moon and falling stars would be moments before the Second Advent. Thus the 6'th seal is moments before the Second Advent. The 7'th seal is the Second Advent.

Matthew 24 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
The Glorious Return
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky...

How may times will the sun and moon be darkened and stars fall from the sky. Probably only once.

Recall also,

Revelation 6 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
The Sixth Seal—Terror
12 I looked when He broke the sixth seal, ... 16 and they said to the mountains and to the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; 17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

The great day of their wrath sure sounds like the second advent.

Recall finally

Revelation 14 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
The Reapers
14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and sitting on the cloud was one like a son of man [i.e. Jesus], having a golden crown on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying out with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, “Put in your sickle and reap, for the hour to reap has come, because the harvest of the earth is ripe.” 16 Then He who sat on the cloud swung His sickle over the earth, and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, and he also had a sharp sickle. ... 19 So the angel swung his sickle to the earth and gathered the clusters from the vine of the earth, and threw them into the great wine press of the wrath of God. 20 And the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood came out from the wine press, up to the horses’ bridles, for a distance of two hundred miles.

Jesus is coming on a cloud, cf Mt. 24:30, and reaping. What could this be but the Rapture? While the angel's reaping is the massive destruction at the Second Advent. Again, Revelation is not chronological.

Don't forget.

Revelation 20:4-5 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
4 ... And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded ... because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.

Everyone agrees the Rapture is the first resurrection. The Second Advent is Rev. 19 and Revelation 20 mentions the first resurrection which contains trib martyrs.

I do not know if the 6'th trumpet happens before the 6'th bowl but I do not think Revelation is chronological.

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