If a local law contradicts the Bible, what should we obey?

Does local laws have authority over the word of God?

  • Yes. God established the authoirty. We must obey regardless of what scripture says.

  • No. God commands are supreme.We are to obey local laws only if they dont contradict God.

  • It depends.

  • I don't know.


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Nobody supports martyrs. That's just dumb.
Nobody is encouraging people to have themselves martyred if they can avoid it. However, there are many places, like India and North Africa, where Christians are martyred for no other reason than worshiping God. Watch this video and tell me these Christians are receiving just punishment for disobeying local authority.
 
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When asked if a parent told their child to murder someone if would it be a sin if the child murdered because they were obeying their parents, you responded with "it depends on what the child thinks is the right thing to do." So if the child thought it right to disobey their parents, would the child be sinning if he or she disobeyed? Then apply this to whether or not it is appropriate to disobey local laws if I felt "it is the right thing to do." Do you not see how your entire argument falls apart?

God's law and local laws are the same on that one. Moses said on Mount Sinai, "You shall not murder."
 
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Sure. The law doesn't care who your enemy is. You are protected and cared for (loved) even in cases where you leave the country. Every law is about love and physical and financial protection for other citizens.

Every law is about love for strangers and even imagined enemies.
What law are you referring to? Mans law or Gods law? If its mans law that you refer to then you are wrong, and i proved it.
 
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What are you talking about? EVERY PERSON except the unborn has commands to obey and knowe it.

I'm talking about the commands you claim, and now insist, for others to follow.
What are they for my examples?
 
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I'm talking about the commands you claim, and now insist, for others to follow.
What are they for my examples?

The Ten Commandments, of course, or whatever they are in other religious scriptures.
 
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God's law and local laws are the same on that one. Moses said on Mount Sinai, "You shall not murder."
I agree. However the intent of the question is to determine which authority was greater, the parent, or the state? If the parent, then it would be appropriate to disobey local laws. If the state, we must conclude that the local authority is greater than the parent? If local laws take priority over the command of a parent, state law take priority over local laws, federal laws would take priority over state laws, international laws would take priority over federal law, and finally God's laws/commands would be supreme over all the laws. Thus, God's law should never be disobeyed for any reason. However, skywriting responded with "it depends on what the child thinks." This statement unravels his entire argument. Now, apparently, it is okay to disobey local laws if we subjectively think it is the right thing to do (according to Skywriting).
 
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Sure. The law doesn't care who your enemy is. You are protected and cared for (loved) even in cases where you leave the country. Every law is about love and physical and financial protection for other citizens.

Since you claimed my theology hinged on this one question,
Today at 8:24 AM#113
then your challenge is over.
Every law is about love for strangers and even imagined enemies.
What about this law you considered to be a result of disobeying the government?
If any people, whatever their race or nation or language, speak a word against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, they will be torn limb from limb, and their houses will be turned into heaps of rubble.
Would this law be about "love and physical and financial protection for other citizens?"
 
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There. We do have some common ground then. Nice.
Although for most Christians, renouncing Christ and submitting to the state is not an option. Thus, those martyrs could not avoid martyrdom. For that reason, they should be praised for their faith. Furthermore, how do you reconcile Revelation 20:4-6 describing martyrs being rewarded for their faith? Accord to your understanding of martyrs, they should be punished.
 
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Charles Manson? Jeffrey Dahmer?
And what commands do you suggest for each?
What is in your heart is how God will Judge you after your death.
That's all that matters. Not what others thought about you.
Apparently if Charles Manson and Jeffery Dahmer believed they were doing the right thing then they are just fine. According to your understanding.
 
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I agree. However the intent of the question is to determine which authority was greater, the parent, or the state? If the parent, then it would be appropriate to disobey local laws. If the state, we must conclude that the local authority is greater than the parent? If local laws take priority over the command of a parent, state law take priority over local laws, federal laws would take priority over state laws, international laws would take priority over federal law, and finally God's laws/commands would be supreme over all the laws. Thus, God's law should never be disobeyed for any reason. However, skywriting responded with "it depends on what the child thinks." This statement unravels his entire argument. Now, apparently, it is okay to disobey local laws if we subjectively think it is the right thing to do (according to Skywriting).

That is exacltly how the law system is: international > federal > state > local. A state is not allowed to let people under age 21 buy alcohol because that has been outlawed at the federal level.

Now, about the "I did not know it is illegal" part: If you are driving in a state where turning right on red is not allowed at any intersectoin and a cop catching you doing that, you will NOT be excused. You will get a ticket for breaking the law.
 
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That is exacltly how the law system is: international > federal > state > local. A state is not allowed to let people under age 21 buy alcohol because that has been outlawed at the federal level.

Now, about the "I did not know it is illegal" part: If you are driving in a state where turning right on red is not allowed at any intersectoin and a cop catching you doing that, you will NOT be excused. You will get a ticket for breaking the law.
Absolutely! This applies to God's law as well. Ignorance is no excuse. Which is why the Psalmist wrote in Psalm 139:
"23 Search me, God, and know my heart;
test me and know my anxious thoughts.
24 See if there is any offensive way in me,
and lead me in the way everlasting.
 
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That is exactly how the law system is: international > federal > state > local.

According to Jesus:
prophesy >international > federal > state > local

51And behold, one of those who were with Jesus reached and drew out his sword, and struck the slave of the high priest and cut off his ear.52Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword. 53“Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels? 54“How then will the Scriptures be fulfilled, which say that it must happen this way?”

55At that time Jesus said to the crowds, “Have you come out with swords and clubs to arrest Me as you would against a robber? Every day I used to sit in the temple teaching and you did not seize Me. 56“But all this has taken place to fulfill the Scriptures of the prophets.” Then all the disciples left Him and fled.
 
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Apparently if Charles Manson and Jeffery Dahmer believed they were doing the right thing then they are just fine. According to your understanding.

That is how they will be judged. No matter if we caught them or not.
 
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Although for most Christians, renouncing Christ and submitting to the state is not an option. Thus, those martyrs could not avoid martyrdom. For that reason, they should be praised for their faith. Furthermore, how do you reconcile Revelation 20:4-6 describing martyrs being rewarded for their faith? Accord to your understanding of martyrs, they should be punished.

I make no serious comments about any dreams. I put Revelation in the same catagory as any dream I've had.
 
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What about this law you considered to be a result of disobeying the government?
Would this law be about "love and physical and financial protection for other citizens?"

That was the rulers goal, yes. God used it to show us how wrong it is to disobey local government.
 
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