Carl Emerson
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Carl Emerson.
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A truly saved person can not lose it
Of course they can.
Read the scripture where Jesus explains the parable of the sower and find this, the first 3 verses:
Luke 8:11-15 King James Version (KJV)
"11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away."
We all know the seed is Gods word, and if you look closely at the second verse, you'll see they "heard" the word but the devil snatched it away before they had a chance to receive it, and be saved.
But the third verse, they heard and "believed" or were clearly saved for awhile, but were temped to the point they would "fall away" from their salvation.
Now the first thing those that choose no to believe that will do (and this or other parts of this post, are not necessarily directed at you, ml5363) is attack the fact that they were saved at all. That is of course clear to me, and others, but they will try to confuse that one issue, however, if they didn't "fall away" from salvation, what did they fall away from?
Then there is this comment.
James 5:19-20 New International Version (NIV)
19 My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, 20 remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.
Those people are "brothers and sisters", meaning they were all saved and if they were "brought back" they had to have been gone from something, and in context, that can only have been their salvation.
Now I realize some of you are thinking "Well Duh, the meanings there is obvious" but I tell you, once some get on the kick they are saved forever no matter what they do, they don't take kindly to someone trying to convince them otherwise. They will fight the obvious truth tooth and nail, and will choose not to believe what was just quoted from the Bible They will throw all kinds of nonsense at the clear and simple truth. That's the reason I explain what is obvious to most, so a child can understand it.
They badly want to believe the very selfish, "We can do as we like and still go to heaven", because it's more fun then being obedient to God. At least that's been my experience with OSASr's, some of the meanest most ungodly selfish people I've had the displeasure of being around... and all because they can, at least in their mind.
Show us the words "saved for a while" and "fall away from their salvation" in Luke 8:11-15. Even though this shallow ground hearer is said to have "believed," yet he is never said to have been "saved." How do we know that the shallow ground hearer was never actually "saved?" I will explain the reasons:Of course they can.
Read the scripture where Jesus explains the parable of the sower and find this, the first 3 verses:
Luke 8:11-15 King James Version (KJV)
"11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away."
We all know the seed is Gods word, and if you look closely at the second verse, you'll see they "heard" the word but the devil snatched it away before they had a chance to receive it, and be saved.
But the third verse, they heard and "believed" or were clearly saved for awhile, but were temped to the point they would "fall away" from their salvation.
In regards to James 5:19-20, *notice - Brethren, if anyone "among" you wanders from the truth..turns a "sinner" from the error of his way.. Some would argue that James says this one who turned from the truth was a "sinner," and was "among" but "not of" the Brethren, then he wasn’t previously saved. That fits 1 John 2:19 - They went out "from" us, but they were "not of" us..Then there is this comment.
James 5:19-20 New International Version (NIV)
19 My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, 20 remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.
Those people are "brothers and sisters", or saved people, and the fallen in this case is "one of you" or were saved like the rest of them. Now, if that saved person was "brought back" they had to have been gone from something, and in context, that can only have been their salvation.
Now I realize some of you are thinking "Well Duh, the meanings there is obvious" but I tell you, once some get on the kick they are saved forever no matter what they do, they don't take kindly to someone trying to convince them otherwise. They will fight the obvious truth tooth and nail, and will choose not to believe what was just quoted from the Bible They will throw all kinds of nonsense at the clear and simple truth. That's the reason I explain what is obvious to most, so a child can understand it.
When all else fails, play the straw man card. I've met people in the NOSAS camp who are very judgmental, mean spirited and self righteous, but I refuse to paint everyone in the NOSAS camp with a broad brush.They badly want to believe the very selfish, "We can do as we like and still go to heaven", because it's more fun then being obedient to God. At least that's been my experience with OSASr's, some of the meanest most ungodly selfish people I've had the displeasure of being around... and all because they can, at least in their mind.
I even heard one NOSAS proponent claim that continuing in the faith, abiding in Christ is an extremely difficult burden that most Christians will surely fail to do and even implied that around 90% of born again Christians will end up losing their salvation.
A person can loose their salvation by no longer believing in the Gospel of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. All other "sins" are worked out through sanctification. Some have a very long and torturous walk due to weakness of the flesh while others have a more fruitful relationship with the Lord. Both are Christians and both are at risk of rejecting the Gospel and loosing their salvation. This is why we need to equip ourselves with the power of the Holy Spirit in order to stay the course.Who loses their Salvation, and for "what" do they lose it for...?
Comments...?
God Bless!
See - Does Hebrews 6:4-6 mean we can lose our salvation?It's an impossibility for certain people to be renewed, to be brought back again to repentance.
Who are these people?
- They've been enlightened by the Spirit through the Word.
- They've an understanding of Christ and of their redemption through Christ.
- They've been called out of the darkness to Christ's light.
- They've tasted the heavenly gift, salvation as grace's gift.
- They've become partakers of the Spirit, they've been sealed with her.
- They've tasted God's Word and the future life's powers.
- They've experienced God's power unto salvation.
- They've anticipated being partakers of heaven's glory.
This is basically the right answer...Legalists can loose Grace for the sake of following law.
But they can be salvaged.
For one who believes, this is the only kind of sin that can cost one their salvation, and as for all other sins, they cannot separate you from the Love of God, but this one, can...This is basically the right answer...
Those who have tasted and know the heavenly gift of Grace and the Holy Spirit, who then go back to law, by way of self-effort, and one's own works, ect, called works of the flesh, ect, of sin now, ect, teaching others to that effect, ect, after knowing Grace, ect... that is the "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit", and is rejecting Grace, ect...
And is how one falls away, and how it is said, that they fall away, and it is impossible to renew them to repentance, from that or because of that, ect, or forsake that (way) ect, for the true and right and better way, ect...
God Bless!
We turn to God, and later, like Adam did originally, we freely turn away from Him, even after 'tasting of the heavenly gift' (Heb 6:4). Persistent serious sin, always an act against love of God and neighbor, is generally the turning point, the expression of our distaste for Him.Who loses their Salvation, and for "what" do they lose it for...?
Comments...?
God Bless!
It's our lack of love for God that can separate us from Him; His love is always consistent and true.For one who believes, this is the only kind of sin that can cost one their salvation, and as for all other sins, they cannot separate you from the Love of God, but this one, can...
God Bless!
Persistent serious sin, always an act against love of God and neighbor
So it is "our love for Him" that saves us...?It's our lack of love for God that can separate us from Him; His love is always consistent and true.
And if "others do not see any evidence of how God's Love has changed us", (by our own Love maybe), then we are not saved...?It's both/and. It's how His love for us has changed us-and continues to change us in a walk with Him taking place throughout our lives.
Well, evidence should definitely be present, even though it also can be false, done for wrong reasons. In any case God judges by the heart, which He knows infinitely better than we do. The rest can judge as they see fit but human judgment can be faulty as we know, for many reasons.And if "others do not see any evidence of how God's Love has changed us", (by our own Love maybe), then we are not saved...?
God Bless!