Who is the harlot of the Apocalypse?

HTacianas · Apr 10, 2019

Rev 17:1 - And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters:

Rev 17:2 - With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication...

Rev 17:4 - And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Rev 17:5 - And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

The answer to the question is found in Ezekiel:

Eze 16:2 - Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations...

Eze 16:3 - And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem...

Eze 16:14 - ...thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD...

Eze 16:15 - But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was...

Eze 16:26 - Thou hast also committed fornication with the Egyptians thy neighbours, great of flesh; and hast increased thy whoredoms, to provoke me to anger...

Eze 16:28 - Thou hast played the harlot also with the Assyrians, because thou wast unsatiable; yea, thou hast played the harlot with them, and yet couldest not be satisfied...

Eze 16:29 - Thou hast moreover multiplied thy fornication in the land of Canaan unto Chaldea; and yet thou wast not satisfied herewith...

Eze 16:30 - How weak is thine heart, saith the Lord GOD, seeing thou doest all these things, the work of an imperious whorish woman...

Eze 16:35 - Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the LORD...

Eze 16:36 - Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them;

Ttalkkugjil · Apr 10, 2019

Rev. 17 is connected with Rev. 16 and with the seven angels' plagues.

One of the angels that'd poured out the vials of God's wrath upon the Antichrist's kingdom and upon his servants took John to show him the antichristian harlot's doom.

She's called the harlot, for her impudence has become a byword among the people groups.

She was a harlot, for she exerted her authority over many. And she was a harlot, for she'd induced the earth's rulers to have sex with her, she'd seduced them into carrying out her desires, and she'd made people groups drunk with her fornication's wine, with her false doctrine's pomp, causing them to forget the love which they owed to Christ alone.

Chris V++ · Apr 10, 2019

I was always taught Babylon the Great was code for a different city, one adorned in purple and scarlet and holding a golden cup and sitting on seven hills. Where does Ezekiel say Jerusalem is Babylon the Great? (Not saying that Ezekiel doesn't dub her a harlot. )

HTacianas · Apr 10, 2019

Chris V++ said:
I was always taught Babylon the Great was code for a different city, one adorned in purple and scarlet and holding a golden cup and sitting on seven hills. Where does Ezekiel say Jerusalem is Babylon the Great? (Not saying that Ezekiel doesn't dub her a harlot. )

Rev 18:24 - And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

All the old testament prophets were killed in Jerusalem. Jesus even said:

Luk 13:33 - “...for it cannot be that a prophet should perish outside of Jerusalem.

Both Saint Stephen and Saint James were killed in Jerusalem. The writer of the Revelation further describes Jerusalem:

Rev 11:8 - And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

That comes from Jeremiah 23:

Jer 23:14 - I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing...they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.

Monk Brendan · Apr 10, 2019

HTacianas said:
Rev 17:1 - And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters:

Rev 17:2 - With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication...

Rev 17:4 - And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Rev 17:5 - And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

The answer to the question is found in Ezekiel:

Eze 16:2 - Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations...

Eze 16:3 - And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem...

Eze 16:14 - ...thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD...

Eze 16:15 - But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was...

Eze 16:26 - Thou hast also committed fornication with the Egyptians thy neighbours, great of flesh; and hast increased thy whoredoms, to provoke me to anger...

Eze 16:28 - Thou hast played the harlot also with the Assyrians, because thou wast unsatiable; yea, thou hast played the harlot with them, and yet couldest not be satisfied...

Eze 16:29 - Thou hast moreover multiplied thy fornication in the land of Canaan unto Chaldea; and yet thou wast not satisfied herewith...

Eze 16:30 - How weak is thine heart, saith the Lord GOD, seeing thou doest all these things, the work of an imperious whorish woman...

Eze 16:35 - Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the LORD...

Eze 16:36 - Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them;

It sure isn't Rome.

There's only ONE nation or people consistently personified in the Bible as a harlot.

BTW, have you read Blessed Seraphim Rose's translation and expansion of Archbishop Averky's APOCALYPSE, a verse by verse commentary on Revelation?

Monk Brendan · Apr 10, 2019

Chris V++ said:
I was always taught Babylon the Great was code for a different city, one adorned in purple and scarlet and holding a golden cup and sitting on seven hills. Where does Ezekiel say Jerusalem is Babylon the Great? (Not saying that Ezekiel doesn't dub her a harlot. )

Jerusalem DOES sit on seven hills.

Rome actually sits on 9.

HTacianas · Apr 10, 2019

Monk Brendan said:
It sure isn't Rome.

There's only ONE nation or people consistently personified in the Bible as a harlot.

BTW, have you read Blessed Seraphim Rose's translation and expansion of Archbishop Averky's APOCALYPSE, a verse by verse commentary on Revelation?

No I haven't. But I will look for it.

I was reading somewhere an Orthodox commentary on "the end times" recently, I forget exactly what it was, but sometimes struck me. If the quotes from the Revelation were removed from it, and only quotes from the other books were taken in consideration, it made so much more sense.

Chris V++ · Apr 10, 2019

Seven hills of Rome - Wikipedia

It depends on who is counting I suppose.

HTacianas · Apr 10, 2019

Chris V++ said:
Seven hills of Rome - Wikipedia

It depends on who is counting I suppose.

Jerusalem is built on seven hills.

Chris V++ · Apr 10, 2019

Well whether Rome or Jerusalem, those inhabitants are/were not without hope. A voice from Heaven says "Come out of her, my people.' implying some of His people are in fact living/lived therein, and apparently have/had the opportunity to 'come out of her. ' Rev 18:4

Ttalkkugjil · Apr 10, 2019

Chris V++ said:
Seven hills of Rome - Wikipedia

It depends on who is counting I suppose.

ewq1938 · Apr 11, 2019

Monk Brendan said:
Jerusalem DOES sit on seven hills.

Rome actually sits on 9.

Rome has at least 10 actually.

Aventine Hill (Latin, Aventinus; Italian, Aventino)
Caelian Hill (Cælius, Celio)
Capitoline Hill (Capitolinus, Campidoglio)
Esquiline Hill (Esquilinus, Esquilino)
Palatine Hill (Palatinus, Palatino)
Quirinal Hill (Quirinalis, Quirinale)
Viminal Hill (Viminalis, Viminale)
Vatican Hill (Latin Collis Vaticanus)
Pincian Hill (Latin Mons Pincius)
Janiculum Hill (Latin Ianiculum)

Jerusalem sits on at least 8:

Zion, Ophel, Moriah, Bezetha, Acra, Gareb, Goath, Herzl.

Monk Brendan · Apr 11, 2019

ewq1938 said:
Rome has at least 10 actually.

Aventine Hill (Latin, Aventinus; Italian, Aventino)
Caelian Hill (Cælius, Celio)
Capitoline Hill (Capitolinus, Campidoglio)
Esquiline Hill (Esquilinus, Esquilino)
Palatine Hill (Palatinus, Palatino)
Quirinal Hill (Quirinalis, Quirinale)
Viminal Hill (Viminalis, Viminale)
Vatican Hill (Latin Collis Vaticanus)
Pincian Hill (Latin Mons Pincius)
Janiculum Hill (Latin Ianiculum)

Jerusalem sits on at least 8:

Zion, Ophel, Moriah, Bezetha, Acra, Gareb, Goath, Herzl.

I just happened to think.

Mecca sits on seven hills.

ewq1938 · Apr 11, 2019

Monk Brendan said:
I just happened to think.

Mecca sits on seven hills.

I read hills surround it but that it isn't even on one hill let alone 7.

I think ppl are thinking too small on this. It doe3sn't even say a city on 7 hills anyways. The beast has 7 mountains and ten kingdoms within those 7 mountains. The harlot sits upon the beast as well as "many waters"

I would say the 7 mountains represent the 7 continents or 7 largest countries...a global concept rather than a single city supposedly on 7 hills. So that would be the entire earth in 7 mains areas of land, with ten new kingdoms spanning those areas. IMO it's going to be something new, unlike things of the past or current religions or powers.

anna ~ grace · Apr 11, 2019

I heard one guy, on YouTube, make the case that the harlot of Babylon is actually New York City. Not sure about that, but he made a good case.

nonaeroterraqueous · Apr 12, 2019

HTacianas said:
Jerusalem is built on seven hills.

Yeah, I remember a thread debating that subject not long ago. The conclusion that I came to was that the old city that existed back then was situated on less than seven, and the modern city sits on more than seven. The number that one arrives at depends on how big a circle one draws around the city, and whether or not one counts the subdivision into two parts of what essentially amounts to only one hill.

Jerusalem is not famously known as the city that sits on seven hills, whether it happens to have seven or not. Rome, however, is known as the city on seven hills, whether that has anything to do with the prophecy or not. The real question is not the number of hills a city has, but whether the seven really refers to hills at all. Generally, while twelve is the number used to describe Israel, I find that seven is the symbolic number used in reference to the church. Even that might be irrelevant for all I know. I find it interesting how often the number is used in the book of Revelation, and the great majority of the time it refers to the church, or the things of God, even if they are sometimes violent things. The exceptions are the beast and the dragon.

While I have to conclude that the number seven probably wasn't put there to symbolize hills, as if God were so obsessed with topography, there does seem to be a link to the church. I also suspect that Rome was identified as the city on seven hills, originally, because the church saw such significance in the number. How it links back to the beast or the dragon...well, I don't know, but I'd be willing to bet there's a connection, there.

ewq1938 · Apr 12, 2019

nonaeroterraqueous said:
While I have to conclude that the number seven probably wasn't put there to symbolize hills

Why would a number symbolize hills? It was the use of heads that symbolized hills/mountains. There are 7 of them according to Rev 13. The issue then is to understand what mountains are.

Mark51 · Apr 13, 2019

The "Harlot/Prostitute" mentioned in Ezekiel and Revelation is simply the World Empire of False Religion.

mister rogers · Apr 13, 2019

Very symbolic book. The harlot being Jerusalem (and representing 1st century apostate Israel) has been my view as of late too, along with other mostly 1st century fulfillments in Revelation. It says these things must "soon come to pass". It seems around Rev. 20 and after however it stretches into the Church age and eternity. I'm still puzzled by the return of the Jewish people to Israel and becoming a nation again however. Not sure if that is a fulfilled prophecy from Ezekiel, and if it fits within a basic amillenial view, or if it only fits in a premillenial view of some sort.

Vicky gould · Aug 27, 2019

nonaeroterraqueous said:
Yeah, I remember a thread debating that subject not long ago. The conclusion that I came to was that the old city that existed back then was situated on less than seven, and the modern city sits on more than seven. The number that one arrives at depends on how big a circle one draws around the city, and whether or not one counts the subdivision into two parts of what essentially amounts to only one hill.

Jerusalem is not famously known as the city that sits on seven hills, whether it happens to have seven or not. Rome, however, is known as the city on seven hills, whether that has anything to do with the prophecy or not. The real question is not the number of hills a city has, but whether the seven really refers to hills at all. Generally, while twelve is the number used to describe Israel, I find that seven is the symbolic number used in reference to the church. Even that might be irrelevant for all I know. I find it interesting how often the number is used in the book of Revelation, and the great majority of the time it refers to the church, or the things of God, even if they are sometimes violent things. The exceptions are the beast and the dragon.

While I have to conclude that the number seven probably wasn't put there to symbolize hills, as if God were so obsessed with topography, there does seem to be a link to the church. I also suspect that Rome was identified as the city on seven hills, originally, because the church saw such significance in the number. How it links back to the beast or the dragon...well, I don't know, but I'd be willing to bet there's a connection, there.

I believe it is not hills but mounts the harlot sits on and Jerusalem does indeed sit on 7 mounts. We must allow Scripture to teach what it says no matter how sad and distasteful it is and what Scripture teaches of Israel and the apostate portion of her people. One of the most distasteful for me deals with the temple anti-christ will come to declaring himself above all that is God. The prophet is given a reed with which to measure the temple but he is told not to measure the outer court as it is the Gentiles but the inner court where temple priests serve the god of that temple, anti- Christ. Or the prophet Isaiah showing us the apostate portion, not the faithful remnant, at the time of anti-christ rich beyond measure in a time no man may buy or sell without the mark. When the Lord rises in His Glory, the Shekinah Glory that He was leading them and following as their rear guard. This the Shekinah Glory will be the sign of the Son of Man. The Shekinah is described as being like lightening. Interestingly enough anti-christ who not only opposes the Christ but counterfeits Him is said as coming as lightening as well. Anti-christ will precede the Lord’s coming by that last Week of Years spoken of by Daniel. Anti-christ coming as the Shekinah is the great delusion that will be sent to apostate Israel. The false prophet will come to Jerusalem and in a scene that will counterfeit Elijah the false prophet will call down fire from heaven. Seven years later the Lord will descend onto the Mount of Olives causing it to split in two forming an escape route for the faithful remnant that reminds of the parting of the Red Sea. This splitting of the Mount of Olives will trigger the great earthquake that will kill 7,000. What amazing things are coming upon this world and all of us when not reading Scripture should be looking up for He draweth nigh. Even so Lord Jesus come.

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