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It seems like all who defend the tradition of praying to/with those who have passed on are getting their arguements from youtubes Catholic Answers and not forming their own Holy Spirit imparted and decerning conversation.

Im waiting for the heat...::taps and raps fingers:
 
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The bible also says:

Deuteronomy 18:10-13 ESV / 103 helpful votes
There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lordyour God is driving them out before you. You shall be blameless before the Lord your God,
Inquire means to ask for information
 
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It seems like all who defend the tradition of praying to/with those who have passed on are getting their arguements from youtubes Catholic Answers and not forming their own Holy Spirit imparted and decerning conversation.

Im waiting for the heat...::taps and raps fingers:
LOL. You are making a habit of being wrong
 
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Arent you ASKing the saints to pray for you?
We are not asking them to tell us any secret information. It isn't the same thing as necromancy no matter how much you want it to be.
 
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It seems like all who defend the tradition of praying to/with those who have passed on are getting their arguements from youtubes Catholic Answers and not forming their own Holy Spirit imparted and decerning conversation.

Im waiting for the heat...::taps and raps fingers:

Praying to the Father is about a profound relationship.

How are we building a relationship with the Father if we pray with/to the saints?

It's funny you should say all this. Because I got a personal testimony concerning it all.

1) For the most part (almost 100% of the time) I do pray primarily to the Trinity and the individual members of the Godhead just like I did when I was a young Protestant.


2) I however consider myself spiritually speaking "to be in an extended family". But even here when I have my problems, I tend to have my best friend, my shepherd, and other close friends pray for me. But it is in that capacity that the saints exist. They are like your great great uncles and aunts that you can ask for their prayers on those occasions when you feel you need it.


3) And talking about the Holy Spirit, I actually had an interesting time a few years ago.

My wife divorced me a few years ago and that happened after I moved away from my home state. Initially that was very painful, I had just come out of a depressing time of being unemployed and now I was socially isolated because all my friends and relatives were back in California, and the divorce would mean I would loose the few social contacts that I had in my new home.

Anyway on this one time of prayer and fasting I did receive a powerful revelation of being of the sensation of "Being in the Body of Christ" and "Being in the Communion of saints". In Orthodoxy we realize that while we may be praying alone here on Earth, our prayers and worship is part of the Greater Worship that takes place in heaven. And that is something that actually is referenced in the book of Revelation a few times.

Anyway it this sort of thing that I don't think many Protestants really get. If you look at the Bible our Faith and Salvation is referenced more in group terms than in individualistic terms.

But I almost forgot the best part. The event took away most of the loneliness etc, that I was feeling! Anyway rather than being unbiblical, this sort of thing is far far from it. In general, I actually pity you that you can't actually relate to this and want to twist this sort of thing into necromancy.
 
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Whats the difference between that and Buddhism?
What's the difference? Buddha did not worship a Personal God, and Buddha's god never became flesh. Our God became flesh, and so He can be depicted personally, and all those in whom He resides (see Galatians 2:20) can be depicted as well, and those depictions, which are symbols of the actual persons being depicted, can be venerated, or in Christ's case, He can be worshiped through His depictions. Buddha is not the Christ, Son of the Living God.
 
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What's the difference? Buddha did not worship a Personal God, and Buddha's god never became flesh. Our God became flesh, and so He can be depicted personally, and all those in whom He resides (see Galatians 2:20) can be depicted as well, and those depictions, which are symbols of the actual persons being depicted, can be venerated, or in Christ's case, He can be worshiped through His depictions. Buddha is not the Christ, Son of the Living God.
I am referring to saints around a person's neck.
 
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I am referring to saints around a person's neck.
Oh, okay. Well, I think the difference in this case is that saints believe in the Holy Trinity: Father, Word, and Holy Spirit, One God. Buddha believed in an impersonal life force that one becomes one with by becoming nothing (i.e. giving up your unique person-hood).

So, We would not wear a statue or image of Buddha around our necks, because He did not follow Jesus Christ, Who is the incarnate Son of God the Father. We may wear the image of a Christian saint though, because God resides in them, and they reflect His Divine glory, which we know because of Holy Tradition and Scripture.
 
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Thus, the tradition is extrabiblical; therefore it could be considered arguable and a tradition of man.

Going by Scripture alone is a tradition of man with no Scriptural proof. I can play that silly game to
 
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“Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart Be acceptable in Your sight, O LORD, my strength and my Redeemer.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭19:14‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

“This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate in it day and night, that you may observe to do according to ALL that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success.”
‭‭Joshua‬ ‭1:8‬

The Word of God is complete and clear. No additions nor substractios. All truth is in His Word. Everything we need to know and what He deems important for us to know, He has spoken in the Word.

That does not say go by the Bible AAlone, going by the Bible Alone is a man made tradition.
 
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