If a local law contradicts the Bible, what should we obey?

Does local laws have authority over the word of God?

  • Yes. God established the authoirty. We must obey regardless of what scripture says.

  • No. God commands are supreme.We are to obey local laws only if they dont contradict God.

  • It depends.

  • I don't know.


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Every law of local government puts the love of others
as it's primary reason for existence. It's not as visible,
when God allows dictators to mame and torture,
but that is part of The Father will for us as well.

It's not the romantic love, but instead,
agape love(pronounced ag-ah'-pay)

from 25; love, i.e. affection or benevolence; specially (plural) a love-feast:--(feast of) charity(-ably), dear, love.

Strongs's #26: agape - Greek/Hebrew Definitions - Bible Tools
There is no law that says i must love others as myself, nor one that says i must love my enemy. To the contrary, freedom of speech protects hate. And Hitler sure didnt pass laws about loving Jews.
 
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There is no law that says i must love others as myself, nor one that says i must love my enemy. To the contrary, freedom of speech protects hate. And Hitler sure didnt pass laws about loving Jews.

Every law is written for the love of your neighbor, even the enemies you imagine.

Jesus was a Jew. He died out of His love for us.

Matthew 26:52-54
Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then should the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must be so?”
 
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Jesus was a Jew. He died out of His love for us.

Matthew 26:52-54
Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then should the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must be so?”
And?
 
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The work of the government is the fulfilling of the scriptures and
the will of the Father.

Matthew 26:52-54
Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then should the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must be so?”
 
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The work of the government is the fulfilling of the scriptures and
the will of the Father.

Matthew 26:52-54
Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then should the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must be so?”
Hitler didnt pass laws about loving Jews. Get real.
 
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We all die too.
That was a wonderful dodge. Why would God save Daniel for disobeying the government. Why was miraculous wonders displayed to protect and preserve disobedience to the government. If God doesn't like idolatry He seems rather counterproductive about dealing with it.
 
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The work of the government is the fulfilling of the scriptures and
the will of the Father.

Matthew 26:52-54
Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then should the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must be so?”
Did you ever think that the will of the Father is to use wicked governments to test the faith of Christians? You know, "separate the wheat from the chaff?"
 
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Long story short,
I grew up with the children of all the theologians who worked at the National Seminary for my church. In my youth, I helped my dad fix the roofs on their homes. Your analysis that theologians are smarter than average has no merit. I knew their teachers and how they lived.




What does the Bible say about government?

The Purpose and Role of Government | ESV.org

As normal, the exceptions are not teachings, but flawed stories of very sad events where believers did not honor the government and scores of people, perhaps their own families, died as a result.


John 19:11
Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above.

Matthew 26
55 In that hour Jesus said to the crowd, “Am I leading a rebellion, that you have come out with swords and clubs to capture me? Every day I sat in the temple courts teaching, and you did not arrest me. 56 But this has all taken place that the writings of the prophets might be fulfilled.” Then all the disciples deserted him and fled.

I am convinced, that Jesus was convinced, that the working government of the world is by way of His Father's hand. Jesus never quoted scripture as the authority over local government. Rather, Jesus embraced local government as how prophesy is fulfilled.
From the references YOU provided. The part you didn't read.

"At times, however, Christians must choose not to obey governments or laws, when such obedience would mean disobedience to God. Clear examples include Daniel’s disobeying the law forbidding prayer to any god or man other than King Darius (Daniel 6); the wise men disobeying Herod’s instructions to tell him of the Christ’s birthplace (Matt. 2:7–12); and Peter’s conviction that “we must obey God rather than men” (Acts 5:29) when commanded not to preach the gospel. Civil disobedience is justified when authority is exercised in ways contrary to God’s express purposes and commands for his people.

At different times and in various places governmental opposition has sought to crush the church. Such suffering is to be expected and is often a vital part of our sanctification (see Rom. 5:3–5; 2 Cor. 12:9–10). Indeed, many times persecution and martyrdom have actually fueled revival and great spiritual advance as part of God’s wise purposes (see Gen. 50:20; Prov. 19:21)."


I also think you might want to read this too.
10 reasons taxpayers should defund Planned Parenthood
 
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From the references YOU provided. The part you didn't read.

"At times, however, Christians must choose not to obey governments or laws, when such obedience would mean disobedience to God. Clear examples include Daniel’s disobeying the law forbidding prayer to any god or man other than King Darius (Daniel 6); the wise men disobeying Herod’s instructions to tell him of the Christ’s birthplace (Matt. 2:7–12); and Peter’s conviction that “we must obey God rather than men” (Acts 5:29) when commanded not to preach the gospel. Civil disobedience is justified when authority is exercised in ways contrary to God’s express purposes and commands for his people.

At different times and in various places governmental opposition has sought to crush the church. Such suffering is to be expected and is often a vital part of our sanctification (see Rom. 5:3–5; 2 Cor. 12:9–10). Indeed, many times persecution and martyrdom have actually fueled revival and great spiritual advance as part of God’s wise purposes (see Gen. 50:20; Prov. 19:21)."


I also think you might want to read this too.
10 reasons taxpayers should defund Planned Parenthood

I did read my research. Civil disobedience is not taught.
Jesus = right. Daniel - wrong.
Historical figures screw up in scripture. People you read about
in scripture are not Jesus or God incarnate.

“we must obey God rather than (Priests)”
I agree.
 
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Did you ever think that the will of the Father is to use wicked governments to test the faith of Christians? You know, "separate the wheat from the chaff?"
Only in the dreams of homeless street preachers.
 
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There is no law that says i must love others as myself, nor one that says i must love my enemy. To the contrary, freedom of speech protects hate.

Sure. The law doesn't care who your enemy is. You are protected and cared for (loved) even in cases where you leave the country. Every law is about love and physical and financial protection for other citizens.

Since you claimed my theology hinged on this one question,
Today at 8:24 AM#113
then your challenge is over.
Every law is about love for strangers and even imagined enemies.
 
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It’s unknown whether or not they were innocent. God is a just God. I would expect there was a reason for His decision.

I would expect that there are consequences for civil disobedience.
By reading, I found them.


They defied the king’s command and were willing to die rather than serve or worship any god except their own God. 29 Therefore, I make this decree: If any people, whatever their race or nation or language, speak a word against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, they will be torn limb from limb, and their houses will be turned into heaps of rubble.

So they may have lost all extended family members and neighbors.
Have you ever chatted with a heap of torn-off limbs and torso's?
Invited them to Sunday School?
 
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I did read my research. Civil disobedience is not taught.
Obviously you did do your own "research" on an island by yourself using only openbible.info and YOUR research has much to be desired. Are you really suggesting that you are the only person in history enlightened and intelligent enough to have come this realization that local laws are to be obeyed over God's word?
 
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Do you realize that this article is talking about Christians generally being law abiding citizens. It is saying that even Trump should be respected and prayed for. Then goes on about the martyrs of the early church. Do you not know why the martyrs were executed? Because Christianity was illegal! Their only crime was being Christian. This article doesn't say that you should disregard scripture to appease the Government. Rather, it is saying that if you are persecuted or suffer because of your faith, that is God's will.
 
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Do you realize that this article is talking about Christians generally being law abiding citizens. It is saying that even Trump should be respected and prayed for. Then goes on about the martyrs of the early church. Do you not know why the martyrs were executed? Because Christianity was illegal! Their only crime was being Christian. This article doesn't say that you should disregard scripture to appease the Government. Rather, it is saying that if you are persecuted or suffer because of your faith, that is God's will.

True enough. There is no support for martyrs anywhere, by anyone.
Are you still mad for loosing the challenge?
 
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True enough. There is no support for martyrs anywhere, by anyone.
Are you living in a cave? No support for martyrs? Really? Do you realize that I support Christian martyrs? My statement alone prove you are wrong. But there are millions of people who provide support for the families of martyrs. Many of the catholic saints are martyrs. In fact, ALL the apostles were martyred except John. Do you not support the apostles?
 
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Are you living in a cave? No support for martyrs? Really? Do you realize that I support Christian martyrs? My statement alone prove you are wrong. But there are millions of people who provide support for the families of martyrs. Many of the catholic saints are martyrs. In fact, ALL the apostles were martyred except John. Do you not support the apostles?
Nobody supports martyrs. That's just dumb.
 
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