Bible says science cannot possibly know how many years since creation

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Being real and being of God are different issues.
You clearly do not know that. You only believe that. It is too bad that you can't think of any valid tests for your beliefs. Just a reminder, to be valid a test needs to be able to refute an idea.
 
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You clearly do not know that. You only believe that. It is too bad that you can't think of any valid tests for your beliefs. Just a reminder, to be valid a test needs to be able to refute an idea.
Regardless of what you or I believe, Scripture points out man (therefore science of man) cannot know the beginning or end. Ha.
 
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Regardless of what you or I believe, Scripture points out man (therefore science of man) cannot know the beginning or end. Ha.
So? What does that have to do with anything? The fact that we can date the Big Bang seems to indicate that at least part of that is wrong. Or perhaps it is your interpretation.
 
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So? What does that have to do with anything?
The fact that God relegates science to the bargain basement of hopeless ignorance means that no one should believe their pipe dream tales about the future or creation/origins.
The fact that we can date the Big Bang seems to indicate that at least part of that is wrong.
The way you date is religious nonsense.
 
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The fact that God relegates science to the bargain basement of hopeless ignorance means that no one should believe their pipe dream tales about the future or creation/origins.
The way you date is religious nonsense.

But God does not do that. That is only your personal interpretation of the Bible. And no, science only appears religious to the ignorant. But it is amazing that you denigrate your own beliefs by trying to call science "religion". It demonstrates that you do know that your thinking is flawed.
 
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Ha. Far as I am concerned when we can truly show so called science claims to be based on faith alone, the battle is over. Hey, beliefs are a dime a dozen.

And you haven't even been able to do that, since scientific claims are based on actual testable and repeatable evidence.

I am not a judge, so I can't argue that at some point you did reach out to God. I have met folks who have said that as they looked back on their life, they realized God was working and doing various things that they never realized He was doing at the time. Perhaps time will tell. I have noticed also that sometimes when life gets hard, we tend to maybe double check our relationship with God, and often dark times bring us closer to Him also. I think a relationship depends on both parties.

James 4:8 - Come near to God and he will come near to you.

And another non-answer.

My life has been plenty hard, and yet I have never "double checked" my relationship with God.

And if a relationship depends on both parties? Well, I agree with you there. Both my husband and I put effort into our marriage, and we've got a pretty good one. But if my relationship with God is non-existent, and I put the effort in, what does that tell you?
 
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I would not expect you to show me that God works in my life, nor anyone to be able or expected to show that. My tests I run myself. Believers are to deal with Him directly. The results of the friendship are not something meant usually to be visible to the rest of the world directly. It is not up to my neighbor to tell me if God is working in my life. (they may notice changes over time if they are close)
It is not up to me to test your relationship with God. I can say that I have seen that He never fails to answer in my experience, and in Scripture.

So your claim that religion is testable really meant it is testable in a way that can't be demonstrated to anyone else at all?

Now if I felt that God had not revealed Himself clearly to me, I might try seeking Him a little more, reading the gospels, doing what I thought He wanted..etc. trying to make sure there was no problem on my end of the phone line.

Of course, that's starting with the assumption that he is working, and then trying to find out why you can't see it.

You can't start with assumptions like that. If you do, you can never be sure that your results are accurate.
 
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So your claim that religion is testable really meant it is testable in a way that can't be demonstrated to anyone else at all?



Of course, that's starting with the assumption that he is working, and then trying to find out why you can't see it.

You can't start with assumptions like that. If you do, you can never be sure that your results are accurate.

That brings up a very important point that some do not seem to understand. In the sciences one actively tries to prove one's ideas wrong. One cannot have a scientific hypothesis, much less a theory, if one does not have a reasonable test that can refute it. In fact one often learns more when an idea is shown to be wrong than when an idea is confirmed. For example in the news the first every pictures of black holes were just released. But scientists knew what they would look like before that event occurred. The math of relativity can be used to make predictions of what a black hole would look like and these images looked exactly like that. So it was nice that relativity and the existence of black holes was confirmed, but in some ways it would be nice if the images did not match predictions. That could have led to a whole new series of discoveries.
 
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But God does not do that. That is only your personal interpretation of the Bible. And no, science only appears religious to the ignorant. But it is amazing that you denigrate your own beliefs by trying to call science "religion". It demonstrates that you do know that your thinking is flawed.
If you want to debate what Scripture/God said, do so. Meanwhile He did say that.
 
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And you haven't even been able to do that, since scientific claims are based on actual testable and repeatable evidence.
Not claims of what nature existed in the past.

And another non-answer.

My life has been plenty hard, and yet I have never "double checked" my relationship with God.
Let's hope you do one day.
And if a relationship depends on both parties? Well, I agree with you there. Both my husband and I put effort into our marriage, and we've got a pretty good one. But if my relationship with God is non-existent, and I put the effort in, what does that tell you?
Not sure.
 
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If you want to debate what Scripture/God said, do so. Meanwhile He did say that.
No, the Bible was written by man so it is hardly "God saying that". That is an unjustified translation of the Bible that some but not all Christians make. The errors in the Bible, if one reads it literally, make such a claim rather blasphemous. The Bible claims to be inspired by God, it does not claim to be perfect.
 
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Not claims of what nature existed in the past.

Yes, claims of the past nature of the Earth. Don't make the error in thinking that just because you cannot do something that others cannot. Scientists have to show that their concepts are testable and that the tests produce repeatable results.
 
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Yes, claims of the past nature of the Earth. Don't make the error in thinking that just because you cannot do something that others cannot. Scientists have to show that their concepts are testable and that the tests produce repeatable results.
They test in the fishbowl things of the fishbowl.
 
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Regardless of your opinion of God's word, it says what it says about your little science god.
Nope, that is only your poor interpretation at best. And science is not my god. Again you insult your own beliefs by treating religion as something that is contemptible.
 
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Not claims of what nature existed in the past.

Actually, yes, as I have demonstrated to you countless times in the past. You only deny them because you do not understand how science works.

Let's hope you do one day.

There we go with that arrogance, thinking that anyone who disagrees with you just hasn't done it right.

Not sure.

You don't seem to have any understanding of science and you don't seem to have put any thought at all into your position. Why are you even in these discussion threads?
 
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Nope, that is only your poor interpretation at best. And science is not my god. Again you insult your own beliefs by treating religion as something that is contemptible.
Let's review
You claim this is my interpretation?


Ecc 3: 11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end.
 
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They test our universe. I am sorry that you won't even try to learn.
They do all of what they do here in the fishbowl and the present and whatever times and origins they ascribe due to their godless limited perspectives and beliefs are religious garbage.
 
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