Believers’ faith must endure until the end of their lives!

dad · Apr 11, 2019

pasifika said:
My friend, you CANNOT REPENT unless God puts repentance into your heart. 1Timothy 2:3 " Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that GOD WILL GRANT THEM REPENTANCE leading them to a knowledge of the truth"..

Hmm. Yes God grants repentance to those that ask with their free will for it.

GingerBeer · Apr 11, 2019

BCsenior said:
Continuing belief-faith is necessary for
continuing salvation-eternal life

You must know that people are going to say that you're teaching works righteousness.

GingerBeer · Apr 11, 2019

pasifika said:
My friend, you CANNOT REPENT unless God puts repentance into your heart.

If that were so then who could be blamed for not repenting? And being granted repentance isn't the same as having repentance given to you.

Kenny'sID · Apr 11, 2019

Nope,

MDC said:
You aren’t looking to see if I believe obedience follows a believer. All you want to prove is that your works is the bases for salvation. See your doctrine lacks faith in the gospel. Jesus does His part huh? While man must do his to be saved. That’s deception! Jesus said, “ come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Mathew 11:28. Only those who are weighed down by their sin and seek forgiveness come unto Christ alone for salvation. Those who are well are in no need for Him

Nope, that is another of the same common untrue/deceptive canned responses you've been throwing this way.

Who here ever once said we were works based only, show us? That's right, no one, it's faith and works just exactly like the bible says. Yet a few of you still insist on trying to make it look like there is something wrong with us with that half truth comment, when in reality that's what you all have to do in order to make your end of this believable, conjure up lies. All you are doing to some of us is showing us who is in charge of your false doctrine...and I assure you, he loves it. He now has you right where he wants you, the perfect religion, "now we can do as we wish and still go to heaven".

Yes, he will give us all rest if we come to him, so? whats your point? How in the world does that mean he did not say to do good or go to hell?

Kenny'sID · Apr 11, 2019

pasifika said:
Nothing is conditional, regarding our faith, salvation etc. But all about God's Sovereign choice and mercy. Titus 3:4,5 " But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us not because of righteous things we have done, but because of His mercy.."

Of course it is, read the verse...doing good is a condition.

lsume said:
There are things that happen to a wayward born again Christian that can be extremely unpleasant. God will not lose any of His elect. However, chastisement and scourging will not be far from those who begin to fall. First you have to believe. Ones obedience is directly related to that person’s faith. I can’t say that it’s proportional though it may be. The more you believe, the more obedient you should be.

The verse that follows this says differently.

dad said:
You saying you can keep the commandments? You saying works keep you saved?

Nope, I've broken them, asked for forgiveness and moved on, and I make a sincere effort not to break them. What would you have me do other than that? This is no different than what our parents expected, make a sincere effort to act right, and apologize when we mess up, and any good parent will be happy with their child, and they will call then "good" kids, even if they aren't perfect....so simple. If "works" means doing good, being good and taking care of the poor, yes, I am saying that. Read the scripture about the sheep and the goats, and see who goes to hell and why. I'll post the following for the third time:

John 5:28-29 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

Do any of you believe Jesus is in error there? I mean I really don't get how just that one scripture doesn't tell all 3 of you that you are wrong?

Kenny'sID · Apr 11, 2019

His student said:
"You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace." Galatians 5:4

Show us one person who is seeking that/has made that claim? I break the law, and still expect to be saved, did you all forget what Jesus died for? Now does that sound like works only theology, something i have never once seen anyone claim.

And, how about you, are you saying there are no conditions, that we need not do good in order to make it to heaven?

pasifika · Apr 11, 2019

GingerBeer said:
If that were so then who could be blamed for not repenting? And being granted repentance isn't the same as having repentance given to you.

We already stand condemned before God the results of our sins. And we are All sins therefore we are all guilty before Him. Nothing we can Do!!! As Romans 5:6" You see, at the right time, when we were still POWERLESS, Christ died for the ungodly. You see, if we can choose to genuinely repent then Jesus doesn't need to come and save you and me. Who can be blamed for not repenting? Romans9:19-21" But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? Shall what is formed say to the who formed it. Why did you make this? Does not the Potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use"..

SkyWriting · Apr 11, 2019

BCsenior said:
Continuing belief-faith is necessary for
continuing salvation-eternal life

“… whoever believes [continues to believe] in Him may have [may continue to have] eternal life. For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes [continues to believe] in Him should not perish but have [continue to have] eternal life.” (John 3:15-16)
These verbs in Greek and English are in the
present tense … always believing and having!

“He has reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight — IF indeed you continue in the faith … and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel” (Colossians 1:22-23)

“It is this Good News (the gospel) that saves you, IF you continue to believe the message I told you” (1 Corinthians 15:1-2)

“So we must listen very carefully to the truth we have heard, or we may drift away from it … every act of disobedience was punished. So what makes us think we can escape, IF we ignore this great salvation” (Hebrews 2:1-3)

“And we are God’s house, IF we keep our courage and remain confident in our hope in Christ …
Make sure that your own hearts are not evil and unbelieving, turning you away from the living God … so that none of you will be deceived by sin and hardened against God. For IF we are faithful to the end, trusting God just as firmly as when we first believed, we will share in all that belongs to Christ.” (Hebrews 3:6,12-14)

“IF we endure, we shall also reign with Him.”
(2 Timothy 2:12)

“… follow the example of those who are going to inherit God’s promises because of their faith and endurance.” (Hebrews 6:11-12)

“Patient endurance is what you need, so that you will continue to do God’s will. Then you will receive all that he has promised. … ‘And my righteous ones will live by faith. But I will take no pleasure in anyone who turns away.’ But we are not like those who turn away from God to their own destruction (eternal death).” (Hebrews 10:36-39)

“Stay true to what is right (the true gospel) for
the sake of your own salvation and the salvation
of those who hear you.” (1 Timothy 4:16)

“… work out your own salvation with fear
and trembling … holding fast the word of life,
so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ
that I have not run in vain or labored in vain.”
(Philippians 2:12,16)
If they fail to endure, Paul has wasted his efforts!

“... you have been grieved by various trials
that the genuineness of your faith … though it is
tested by fire … receiving the end of your faith
— the salvation of your souls.” (1 Peter 1:7-9)

This has nothing to do with rewards …
“God blesses those who patiently endure testing and temptation. Afterward they will receive the crown of (eternal) life that God has promised to those who love him.” (James 1:12)

4 times in John 14, Jesus said (paraphrasing): Those
who love Me will obey (keep) My commandments.

“God’s holy people must endure persecution patiently, obeying his commands and maintaining their faith in Jesus.” (Revelation 14:12)

Because of all of the above verses,
this also refers to salvation …
“But the one who endures to the end
(of his/her life) will be saved.”
(Matthew 10:22, Matthew 24:13, Mark 13:13)

Everything is CONDITIONAL … so …
Those who endure in the faith to the end
keep their righteous standing with God!

Salvation can never be taken away
from any believer for any reason.
But they can refuse it, true.
The one and only sin that leads
to Hell, is refusing Heaven.

pasifika · Apr 11, 2019

Kenny'sID said:
Of course it is, read the verse...doing good is a condition.

The verse that follows this says differently.

Nope, I've broken them, asked for forgiveness and moved on, and I make a sincere effort not to break them. What would you have me do other than that? This is no different than what our parents expected, make a sincere effort to act right, and apologize when we mess up, and any good parent will be happy with their child, and they will call then "good" kids, even if they aren't perfect....so simple. If "works" means doing good, being good and taking care of the poor, yes, I am saying that. Read the scripture about the sheep and the goats, and see who goes to hell and why. I'll post the following for the third time:

John 5:28-29 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

Do any of you believe Jesus is in error there? I mean I really don't get how just that one scripture doesn't tell all 3 of you that you are wrong?

Okay,

dad said:
Hmm. Yes God grants repentance to those that ask with their free will for it.

free will???? We are all sinners!!. And a sinner is a Slave John 8:34-36 Jesus speaking.." Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a Slave to sin. Now a Slave has NO permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. So if the Son SETS YOU FREE you will be FREE INDEED...
Our free will ONLY doing the will of the one that enslaved us which is SIN...

lsume · Apr 11, 2019

Kenny'sID said:
Of course it is, read the verse...doing good is a condition.

The verse that follows this says differently.

Nope, I've broken them, asked for forgiveness and moved on, and I make a sincere effort not to break them. What would you have me do other than that? This is no different than what our parents expected, make a sincere effort to act right, and apologize when we mess up, and any good parent will be happy with their child, and they will call then "good" kids, even if they aren't perfect....so simple. If "works" means doing good, being good and taking care of the poor, yes, I am saying that. Read the scripture about the sheep and the goats, and see who goes to hell and why. I'll post the following for the third time:

John 5:28-29 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

Do any of you believe Jesus is in error there? I mean I really don't get how just that one scripture doesn't tell all 3 of you that you are wrong?

All anyone can do is try to do their best. However, once your born again, Christ helps to protect you from both yourself and the world making it easier to be obedient.

Neogaia777 · Apr 11, 2019

1stcenturylady said:
It is my understanding that if you have the Holy Spirit you do show proof of being saved, and God is not against you, so don't know what you are basing your statement on. That is not to say that the Spirit has shown us all truth from day one, but when you have been shown a new truth to you, you have the desire to do it. The Spirit gives us revelation knowledge at different stages of our walk with Him.

The Holy Spirit is YHWH, for He is the Spirit of God, always was, always has been, and is now, (who we were once at war with and enemies of and with before we knew Him or Christ, and who Christ reconciled us to, ect)...

We do not have peace with God, if we do not yet have or truly believe in Christ yet... And know who they are, ect... Then we receive the Holy Spirit... Then we walk in that, and with them, ect...

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Apr 11, 2019

pasifika said:
My friend, you CANNOT REPENT unless God puts repentance into your heart. 1Timothy 2:3 " Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that GOD WILL GRANT THEM REPENTANCE leading them to a knowledge of the truth"..

Yes, see, they understood this concept...?

And who's the judge, or judges of that...?

God Bless!

MDC · Apr 11, 2019

Kenny'sID said:
Nope,

Nope, that is another of the same common untrue/deceptive canned responses you've been throwing this way.

Who here ever once said we were works based only, show us? That's right, no one, it's faith and works just exactly like the bible says. Yet a few of you still insist on trying to make it look like there is something wrong with us with that half truth comment, when in reality that's what you all have to do in order to make your end of this believable, conjure up lies. All you are doing to some of us is showing us who is in charge of your false doctrine...and I assure you, he loves it. He now has you right where he wants you, the perfect religion, "now we can do as we wish and still go to heaven".

Yes, he will give us all rest if we come to him, so? whats your point? How in the world does that mean he did not say to do good or go to hell?

If you are teaching that man must cooperate in salvation then you are teaching a works based salvation void of Christ. Salvation is by Gods Sovereign grace alone apart from the works of men. Salvation is conditioned in Christ and His merits alone received by faith apart from the works of men. You who are well see no need to rest in Christ and forsake SELF

GingerBeer · Apr 11, 2019

pasifika said:
Nothing we can Do!!!

Nonsense; we can repent and believe the gospel.

pasifika · Apr 11, 2019

Kenny'sID said:
Of course it is, read the verse...doing good is a condition.

The verse that follows this says differently.

Nope, I've broken them, asked for forgiveness and moved on, and I make a sincere effort not to break them. What would you have me do other than that? This is no different than what our parents expected, make a sincere effort to act right, and apologize when we mess up, and any good parent will be happy with their child, and they will call then "good" kids, even if they aren't perfect....so simple. If "works" means doing good, being good and taking care of the poor, yes, I am saying that. Read the scripture about the sheep and the goats, and see who goes to hell and why. I'll post the following for the third time:

John 5:28-29 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

Do any of you believe Jesus is in error there? I mean I really don't get how just that one scripture doesn't tell all 3 of you that you are wrong?

Hello,

dad said:
Hmm. Yes God grants repentance to those that ask with their free will for it.

Our free will exercise according to the Will of the one we offer ourselves as an obedient slave to...to sin or to righteousness

pasifika · Apr 11, 2019

GingerBeer said:
Nonsense; we can repent and believe the gospel.

Friend the Gospel is a message from ABOVE (Heaven)! You and Me are from the Earth. Only those from Above speak and testify to the things they know and see...

Neogaia777 · Apr 11, 2019

It's not about trying to repent by some kind of sin consciousness or work of your own, but (it) is not about (focusing on) sin, but is on your own (supposedly free) "will", and laying it down in complete submission and surrender to His, and having that "be about you", (I guess you might say), all the time, to where it's a state of mind, or heart attitude, ect... Part of your personality and person-hood, eventually, even, ect... If you can do that, you will get free from sin...

It's about a laying down and forsaking of your own will, for His... Sin will then be, or will begin to be taken care of...

God Bless!

GingerBeer · Apr 11, 2019

pasifika said:
Friend the Gospel is a message from ABOVE (Heaven)! You and Me are from the Earth. Only those from Above speak and testify to the things they know and see...

That looks like gibberish. The words of the gospel are in a book on my book shelf, and in another on my side table, and in an app on my computer none of these things is "above" all of them are here on Earth.

Blade · Apr 11, 2019

BCsenior lets remember just WHOS we are and who we are. We are no ones God. Salvation is not yours to hand out or take away. I know the names of those in GODS word. I know MANY in this world GOD called but yours I dont know. You were never given authority over any man.

So.. let us on this site RESPECT others and how they believe as we do you. You again were given no power no authority over man. So how you personally interpret the word of God for your self praise God. People are not our to control to make listen so forth so on.

This warning will back fire against. The Father REALLY does not like it when we do this against HIS nor yours HIS Children. PLEASE respect others

"I've already warned you that
you insist on ignoring/rejecting
God's many warnings about losing salvation!"

1stcenturylady · Apr 11, 2019

pasifika said:
My friend, you CANNOT REPENT unless God puts repentance into your heart. 1Timothy 2:3 " Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that GOD WILL GRANT THEM REPENTANCE leading them to a knowledge of the truth"..

That sounds like Calvinism.

God has given everyone a measure of faith, and a consciousness of right and wrong. Adam and Eve didn't eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of Evil, but of GOOD and Evil.

Before Jesus started His ministry, and before the Spirit was given, John the Baptist was making the way straight for the Messiah through his ministry of repentance. Every man can repent of his own free will.

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