Biblical Timeline leading up to the end

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Can you please explain what you mean?
All I can do is try. Christ must show you directly.

Rev.2

  1. [27] And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Christ was made of quick understanding in The Fear of The Lord as well.

Isa.11
  1. [3] And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
Rom.8
  1. [29] For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Christ is the firstborn and all of His Brethren must go through similar training.

Since you have experienced The Fear of The Lord, you have been greatly blessed. Your actions seem to be right on mission possibly without having to go through some of what I’ve had to endure.
 
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The first resurrection occurs before the 1000 year reign. At this time, the bodies of the saints are changed in the twinkling of an eye, and the perishable puts on the imperishable. When the saints returned to rule with Christ during the Millenial Kingdom they will not be of flesh and blood.
The first resurrection is the new birth, completed on the last day in the resurrection of believers. Then followed by the rapture. And then the resurrection of the damned. The 1000 years in Revelation 20 is a symbol for Satan's binding and not for the kingdom. Satan attacks the kingdom when loosed.
 
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Since a thousand years is temporary you are wrong.

You conflate the coming kingdom to earth with the kingdom in general. The kingdom of this world at the moment is given over to the dark side.
The great tribulation involves events that are utterly impossible to already have happened, let alone happened thousands of years ago.

False. His people today and ever since are also we/ye. For the future events obviously the ye involved would be believers then at the time the events happen.
Not the great tribulation that is a one time only event clearly very much unlike anything in all of history.

Haven't noticed the sun and stars go out completely and the stars fall to earth? Haven't seen every island flee away and 100 pound hailstones? Haven't see a mark of the beast needed for shopping? Haven't seen all the trees on earth burned up!? etc etc etc etc




If the bible were nothing but symbols with no reality you might have a point.
The problem is, you cannot support any of your claims with direct quotes from scripture. I support everything I said with direct quotes.
 
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This is denial of scriptural truths, of the worst kind.
Every prophet in the Bible tells us about our future, the soon to commence end times events. Things that have never happened yet, but surely will.

The Spiritual Kingdom is the Church age, where the Kingdom is within us.
This is about to end, with the cataclysmic event of the Sixth Seal, a world changer that will set the scene for all to happen as is plainly described in our Bibles.
Jesus made this clear at His Advent, when He read Isaiah 63:1-2a. The next thing is to be the great and terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath.
The Pharisees would agree with you. They operated at the same level of understanding as any Premillennialist or Dispensationalist does today.
 
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Luke 19:41-44 KJV
[41] And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
[42] Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
[43] For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
[44] And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

The problem is that you go to great lengths to theorize must be taken very literally, is now mysteriously not very literally when it comes to God's very specific qualification of the prophecy as not one stone would be left standing one upon another! It's just this one part that isn't to be taken literally? That's not some generality, that's a very exact, precise and detailed "qualification" of the very stones of both the Temple and the City. In other words, our Lord was precise, explicit and quite unambiguous in what He said about the (so called) literal stones.

But there really is no contradiction because when Christ was crucified, both the Temple and Holy City were brought to desolation. How? Not as a physical entity, but as it represents the congregation of God, and its stones are the PEOPLE of said congregation. HELLO?! Just as it does in the New Testament dispensation! The Temple building fitly framed together, a holy temple in the Lord, they are the stones and Christ the corner stone.

Don't you see that Christ is NOT talking about a physical city, but the Old Testament congregation of Israel, and how it would be brought to ruin or desolation? It's so obvious. And it is also obvious that it was not in 70 A.D. by the Romans, but by Christ's own people who rejected Him. The Holy City and Sanctuary "represents" the Lord's Old Testament congregation, the people of Israel. Notice "thy children within thee." Moreover, when God fulfills Scripture, its not half way, pick and choose or contradictory, it's total harmony with itself.


The people who destroyed the city were not the Romans like you believe, it was the people of the Prince, the Messiah. Christ was cut off at the cross, not in 70 A.D., and again NOT for Himself -- for His people. Again it is PEOPLE, not physical stones. Indeed true to his prophecy, the city and the sanctuary were destroyed or brought to desolation by the people of the Prince.. This is what Christ spoke about as He wept over the Holy City Jerusalem concerning its desolation. Not that it would take play over 40 years later in 70 A.D., but them being cut off and blinded when He (whom the city and sanctuary represented) was cut off. It's not talking about physical stones falling, but spiritually stones falling as the kingdom was taken from them and given to another.

Mark 12:9-12
  • "What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others.
  • And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:
  • This was the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
  • And they sought to lay hold on him, but feared the people: for they knew that he had spoken the parable against them: and they left him, and went their way."
Tell me.. HOW is it that they knew what Jesus talked about them, yet Christians today, like you, with so much more information (and with your mishandling of Scripture) CHOOSE to think it terms of physical stones and buildings! Think about it, Jewish scribes understood that you dont! Israel perceived that this building Christ spoke about in parables was about them, and the rebuilding with Christ as the corner stone, was spoken about Him! Why can't you understand it like they did?! It is because you muse about how stone falling and being in rebuilding must be taken in a literal fashion simply because of Josephus' testimony of the Romans who laid siege upon and sacked Jerusalem. Please! Where is the Biblical validation that "this" fulfills the prophecy? Simply because it seems so doesn't cut it.

Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 are the Olivet Discourse. You, of course like the Dispensatlationtists, are trying to apply this to a physical temple in 70AD as I have described above. So you err. The Olivet Discourse is a prophecy concerning the NEW TESTAMENT CONGREGATION prior to the Second Coming. Not 70AD.

This Jerusalem, a great city, is not a physical city in the Middle East. She is the New Testament Congregation who have received spiritual riches (merchandise) where we, as kings of this kingdom, trading Gospel within her. We can "see" of the smoke of her burning as a sign of God's judgment upon her for her unfaithfulness with false doctrines and false prophets everywhere that we need to come out to avoid the PLAGUES.
Luke 19:44

  • "And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation."
Don't you see that Christ is NOT talking about a physical city, but the Old Testament congregation of Israel, and how it would be brought to ruin or desolation? It's so obvious. And it is also obvious that it was not in 70 A.D. by the Romans, but by Christ's own people who rejected Him. The Holy City and Sanctuary "represents" the Lord's Old Testament congregation, the people of Israel. Notice "thy children within thee." Moreover, when God fulfills Scripture, its not half way, pick and choose or contradictory, it's total harmony with itself.
It's not talking about physical stones falling, but spiritually stones falling as the kingdom was taken from them and given to another. Can't you understand that?! Not God's building the ruins again by physical stones, but by spiritual stones, with Him (whom they had rejected as Messiah) as the chief corner stone of that rebuilding. Sure, you are working hard by running to and fro looking for physical destruction of the Temple and the rebuilding of the Holy Temple and a Physical restoring of the land and city, blah blah blah... but this is a purely private interpretation rather than God's interpretation of the Prophecy! Period! As it is written:
Hello TS.
I just reread your post and it is actually a very well written post and I agree with it.
I admit I am not as good at articulating my thoughts into writing as a lot of members here do and and I have to say you do it very well.

I believe we just talk past each other a lot of times, but like I said, your analogy of the OC People and NC people, OC City and NC City is, IMHO, is spot on.

Romans 9:
32 wherefore? because -- not by faith, but as by works of law; for they did stumble at the stone of stumbling,
33 according as it hath been written, 'Lo, I place in Sion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence; and every one who is believing thereon shall not be ashamed.'

1Corinthians 3:12
and if any one doth build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw

2Corinthians 3:7
and if the ministration of the death, in letters, engraved in stones, came in glory, so that the sons of Israel were not able to look stedfastly to the face of Moses, because of the glory of his face -- which was being made useless,

Peter gives a good summation here:
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1 Peter 2
4 to whom coming -- a living stone -- by men, indeed, having been disapproved of, but with God choice, precious,
5 and ye yourselves, as living stones, are built up, a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
6 Wherefore, also, it is contained in the Writing: 'behold! I lay in Zion a chief corner-stone, choice, precious, and he who is believing on him may not be put to shame;'
7 to you, then, who are believing is the preciousness; and to the unbelieving, a stone that the builders disapproved of, this one did become for the head of a corner,
8 and a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence -- who are stumbling at the word, being unbelieving, -- to which also they were set;
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Revelation 18:16
and saying, Woe, woe, the great City, that was arrayed with fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and gilded in gold, and precious stone, and pearls -- because in one hour so much riches were made waste!

Revelation 21:11
11 having the glory of God, and her light is like a stone most precious, as a jasper stone clear as crystal,
19 and the foundations of the wall of the City with every precious stone have been adorned;
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A member created an excellent thread earlier that shed a lot of spiritual light on the analogy of "stones" for those interested

New House New Stones
I just came across this article and wanted to share it to discuss (alongside the other thread related to Daniel's prophecy in chapter 9).

This is the specific excerpt of the article I'd like to discuss in this thread:

Quoting linked article -------->
New House and New Stones​
The house cleansings are separated from the first inspection by seven days, according to the Levitical law. As I mentioned, the seven-day period does appear in John. In order to see it, however, we need to consider the whole picture of what I have discussed so far: Jesus as the true Temple, and His cleansings of the Old Covenant temple as a visitation of judgment on an idolatrous and complacent house. This is the story of Jesus in John’s Gospel.

It all begins at the initiation of Jesus’ public ministry at His baptism. The day of Jesus’ baptism in John’s Gospel begins a seven-day narrative. On the first day, Jesus is baptized, John proclaims Him to be the lamb of God, and the Holy Spirit descends live a dove and remains upon Jesus. This was all done for the purpose, as John the Baptist says, “that he might be revealed to Israel” (John 1:31). There is so much theology here it is impossible to note it all without distraction. In short, here we have the Spirit of God hovering over the New Creation on the first day; here we have the new Ark of salvation coming up out of the water of baptism, and the dove finding the dry land of the New World. But most importantly for our purposes, here we have God’s Spirit-glory filling the New House. This is explained as follows:

In Exodus 40:34–35, when Moses first erected the first house of God, the tabernacle, we read: “Then the cloud covered the tent of meeting, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle. And Moses was not able to enter the tent of meeting because the cloud settled on it, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle.” Two aspects are important: the cloud, which was God’s Spirit or presence, and the fact that it settled (or dwelled) there. The Hebrew word for “settled” is shakan, from which we get the phrase shekinah glory. It simply refers to God’s abiding presence. (Ironically, the Hebrew word for “tabernacle” throughout the book of Exodus is mishkan—the noun form of shakan—which means literally “a dwelling place.”)

This scene is replayed exactly when Solomon dedicates the temple:

And when the priests came out of the Holy Place, a cloud filled the house of the Lord, so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud, for the glory of the Lord filled the house of the Lord. Then Solomon said, “The Lord has said that he would dwell [shakan] in thick darkness. I have indeed built you an exalted house, a place for you to dwell [shakan] in forever” (1 Kings 8:10–13).

This is exactly what God told John the Baptist to watch for in Jesus: “He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain” (John 1:33). It is clear from this image alone that Jesus, the Son of God, was in fact God’s New House, New place of dwelling. Jesus was the New Temple. This would mean, of course, that the old temple in Jerusalem was already obsolete. From the day of the revealing of the true temple to Israel, all those old temple rituals and all the traditions and idolatrous practices that had grown up around them, were nothing but corruption in God’s house of Israel. The new house was already established and indwelt by the spirit. The by definition “closed” the other house for covenant business. The closing of the house, also, was part of the seven-day wait period (Lev. 14:38). ~
https://americanvision.org/13220/why-jesus-cleansed-the-temple-twice-a-long-standing-mystery-solved/
Here is a good vid on the "stones crying out"

Matthew 3:9
"And no ye should be thinking to say in yourselves 'a Father we are having, Abraham'. For I am saying unto ye, that is able the God out of these stones to raise-up children to Abraham. [Luke 3:8/ Luke 16:24]
Luke 19

40 and answering He said to them, “I am saying to ye that if ever these shall be being silent, the stones shall be crying out
41 And as He nears, beholding the City, and He laments on Her,

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The Pharisees would agree with you. They operated at the same level of understanding as any Premillennialist or Dispensationalist does today.
This is a ridiculous and unwarranted post.
Quite the lame jab at premillennialist and dispensationalist.
 
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Dave L said:
There is no temporary physical kingdom planned for this world. The kingdom arrived with Jesus at his first coming Luke 11:20. It is spiritual Luke 17:21, and flesh and blood cannot inherit it 1 Corinthians 15:50. It is a kingdom only the born again can see John 3:3. It is a kingdom of faith and cannot be a kingdom of sight 2 Corinthians 5:7 as millennial theories claim Luke 17:20.

The great Tribulation was Jewish only and happened as foretold by Jesus in 70 AD. By destroying the temple and Jerusalem Matthew 24:ff. Jesus told his disciples, “when you see” all of this, spoken in the second person plural, meaning those in his present audience, leave Jerusalem. This they did according to history.

Tribulation is the normal lot of all Christians between the first and Second Advent Acts 14:22.

Nothing remains unfulfilled before Christ returns*. It will be as in Noah’s day, much like today where people marry and are given in marriage Matthew 24:36–39.

On the last day Christ returns followed by the resurrection of the Just John 6:39. Followed by the Rapture 1 Corinthians 15:51–53. Accompanied by the resurrection of the damned and their judgment John 5:29. Accompanied by the destruction of the universe by fire, followed by the creation of the New Heavens and Earth 2 Peter 3:10–13. Where believers of all-time meet and live in the house of the Lord forever Psalm 23:6.

*Many look for the symbols of Revelation to literally appear in the future. But if we look for what the symbols represent, we can see Revelation’s predictions fulfilled time and again throughout history.
keras said:
This is denial of scriptural truths, of the worst kind.
Every prophet in the Bible tells us about our future, the soon to commence end times events. Things that have never happened yet, but surely will.

The Spiritual Kingdom is the Church age, where the Kingdom is within us.
This is about to end, with the cataclysmic event of the Sixth Seal, a world changer that will set the scene for all to happen as is plainly described in our Bibles.
Jesus made this clear at His Advent, when He read Isaiah 63:1-2a. The next thing is to be the great and terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath.
The Pharisees would agree with you. They operated at the same level of understanding as any Premillennialist or Dispensationalist does today.
^_^
I just love it when Jesus gets right up in their faces...........

Matthew 21
44 He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.”
45 When the chief priests and Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew He was speaking about them.

Luke 20:19
And the chief priests and the scribes the same hour sought to lay hands on him; and they feared the people: for they perceived that he had spoken this parable against them.

Luke 16

14 And also the Pharisees, being lovers of money, were hearing all these things, and were deriding him,
15 and he said to them, 'Ye are those declaring yourselves righteous before men, but God doth know your hearts; because that which among men is high, is abomination before God;
19 'And -- a certain man was rich, and was clothed in purple and fine linen, making merry sumptuously every day,

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TribulationSigns said:
Once again, incorrect. In my opinion....
There. I fixed it for you. You're welcome. It's no trouble. I don't mind helping you out.
Nice ........
Here is how Chuck would reply ehehe..........

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What does that have to do with this?
Dave, you had written that the Kingdom of God does not arrive physically, but is a spiritual Kingdom.

Which that there will be al kingdom of God in Daniel 2 replacing the kingdoms in the statue , which it says in the text of Daniel 2....


42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.


So I want to know from you, who are the ten kings (the ten toes) were back at the time the spiritual Kingdom of God was established (you saying there will be only a spiritual Kingdom of God - and no future physical Kingdom of God) ?
 
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Dave, you had written that the Kingdom of God does not arrive physically, but is a spiritual Kingdom.

Which that there will be al kingdom of God in Daniel 2 replacing the kingdoms in the statue , which it says in the text of Daniel 2....


42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.


So I want to know from you, who are the ten kings (the ten toes) were back at the time the spiritual Kingdom of God was established (you saying there will be only a spiritual Kingdom of God - and no future physical Kingdom of God) ?
Jesus interprets this for us as a spiritual kingdom. He never mentions a physical kingdom. If you do not consider his position, you add to Revelation.
 
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Dave, you had written that the Kingdom of God does not arrive physically, but is a spiritual Kingdom.
So I want to know from you, who are the ten kings (the ten toes) were back at the time the spiritual Kingdom of God was established (you saying there will be only a spiritual Kingdom of God - and no future physical Kingdom of God) ?
Just to let you and others know there is a thread on that topic :angel:

Acts 1:6 Restore Kingdom to Israel/10 KINGS One Mind Reve 17

Acts 1:6
The-ones indeed then coming together, asked Him saying,
`Lord! if in to-the time, this, you are restoring the Kingdom to the Israel?'

Revelation 17:
12 And the ten horns which you saw, ten kings are, who any a Kingdom not-yet received, but authority as kings, one hour they are receiving with the wild beast,
 
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This is a ridiculous and unwarranted post.
Quite the lame jab at premillennialist and dispensationalist.
They believe on the same level as the Pharisees concerning the kingdom.
 
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Jesus interprets this for us as a spiritual kingdom. He never mentions a physical kingdom. If you do not consider his position, you add to Revelation.
Where did Jesus identify who the ten kings were by their name?

We know who the twelve disciples were by their name. Because that is fulfilled. The ten kings have not been fulfilled - to bring in the physical Kingdom of God. But you are saying there will be no physical Kingdom of God.

So prove your point by naming who the ten kings were.
 
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Where did Jesus identify who the ten kings were by their name?

We know who the twelve disciples were by their name. Because that is fulfilled. The ten kings have not been fulfilled - to bring in the physical King of God. But you are saying there will be no physical Kingdom of God.

So prove your point by naming who the ten kings were.
In Daniel, the ten kings are ten kingdoms or dynasties; the several beasts which he saw in vision, were not the symbols of particular men, but of nations. When therefore the Apostle speaks of Antichrist as “the man of sin,” and “the son of perdition,” it is perfectly consistent with Scriptural usage to understand him to refer to an order of men, or to an institution. (2.) The work assigned to Antichrist in prophecy, extends over far too long a period to be accomplished by one man. (3.) Those who insist that the antichrist here predicted, is an individual man, are forced to admit that what is said in 2 Thessalonians 2:7 (“He who now letteth, will let, until he be taken out of the way”) is to be understood of a power. It is generally understood of the Roman power.

Hodge, C. (1997). Systematic theology (Vol. 3, pp. 814–815). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
 
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It is common for modern followers of Jesus to imagine that there is some sort of a celestial checklist that the Messiah had to complete. Many modern Jews think this way as well. Indeed, Matthew uses the Greek verb πληρόω (plerao), “fulfill,” in what looks like a “list” of messianic prophecies. According to Matthew 1-2, Yeshua was born was to fulfill Isaiah 7:14 – “a virgin shall conceive…” (Matt 1:22-23); the Bethlehem birth was to fulfill Micah 5:2: “and you, Bethlehem…” (Matt 2:5-6); Yeshua’s presence in Egypt was to fulfill Hos 11:1: “out of Egypt I called my son” (Matt 2:15); Herod slaughtered children to fulfill Jer. 31:15: “a voice was heard in Ramah…” (Matt 2:17-18); Jesus went to live in Nazareth to fulfill: “he will be called a Nazarene”(Matt 2:23). A common notion that this list of prophetic passages awaited future “fulfillments” to be checked off the list may be quite far from what Matthew actually meant to convey. All of his Scripture citations are recollections of past, rather than “predictions” of future.
There are a plethora of the form of the greek root word G4130.

I like to see where each form is used in Revelation to better harmonize the NT to the OT.

Here are a few of the words:

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

4130. pletho play'-tho, a prolonged form of a primary pleo pleh'-o
(which appears only as an alternate in certain tenses and in the reduplicated form pimplemi) to "fill" (literally or figuratively (imbue, influence, supply)); specially, to fulfil (time):--accomplish, full (...come), furnish.

4137. pleroo play-ro'-o from 4134; to make replete, i.e. (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.:--accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply.
4134. pleres play'-race from 4130; replete, or covered over; by analogy, complete:--full.

Mat 2:15
and he was there till the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled<4137> that was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, 'Out of Egypt I did call My Son.'
Mat 2:17
Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying,

Luke 4:
17 the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. Unrolling it, He found the place where it was written:
21 and He began by saying,
“Today this Scripture is fulfilled<4137> in your hearing.”

Used 2 times in Revelation

Rev 3:2
become watching, and strengthen the rest of the things that are about to die, for I have not found thy works fulfilled before God.

Rev 6:11
and there was given to each one white robes, and it was said to them that they may rest themselves yet a little time, till may be fulfilled also their fellow-servants and their brethren, who are about to be killed -- even as they.
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This form is used mainly in Luke and only in Acts outside of the Gospels [none in Revelation]

"DAYS OF VENGEANCE" Isaiah 61:2 and Luke 21:22 Revelation

Luke 21
22 That days of vengeance these are, of the to be fulfilled<4130> all the having been written
23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
For there will be great Distress in the land and Wrath<3709> upon this people.

Last time used

Act 19:29

and the whole City was filled<4130> with confusion, they rushed also with one accord into the theatre, having caught Gaius and Aristarchus, Macedonians, Paul's fellow-travellers.
 
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In Daniel, the ten kings are ten kingdoms or dynasties; the several beasts which he saw in vision, were not the symbols of particular men, but of nations. When therefore the Apostle speaks of Antichrist as “the man of sin,” and “the son of perdition,” it is perfectly consistent with Scriptural usage to understand him to refer to an order of men, or to an institution. (2.) The work assigned to Antichrist in prophecy, extends over far too long a period to be accomplished by one man. (3.) Those who insist that the antichrist here predicted, is an individual man, are forced to admit that what is said in 2 Thessalonians 2:7 (“He who now letteth, will let, until he be taken out of the way”) is to be understood of a power. It is generally understood of the Roman power.

Hodge, C. (1997). Systematic theology (Vol. 3, pp. 814–815). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
Why are you talking about the Antichrist?

I am asking you to name the kings that Daniel 2 says will be in existence when God brings His everlasting kingdom here to earth. You say the everlasting kingdom is a spiritual kingdom only; that there will not be a physical Kingdom of God. So name who the kings were since you claim this has already happened.

Their names.

I can't give their names - because it hasn't happen yet, that God has not setup His everlasting physical Kingdom here on earth yet.



42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
 
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Why are you talking about the Antichrist?

I am asking you to name the kings that Daniel 2 says will be in existence when God brings His everlasting kingdom here to earth. You say the everlasting kingdom is a spiritual kingdom only; that there will not be a physical Kingdom of God. So name who the kings were since you claim this has already happened.

Their names.

I can't give their names - because it hasn't happen yet, that God has not setup His everlasting physical Kingdom here on earth yet.



42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
You are trying to limit the interpretation to the Dispensational view. I gave the Reformed view which is much older.
 
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