Bible says science cannot possibly know how many years since creation

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God's tests are valid, despite your opinion.
they are not "God's tests". You keep forgetting that. If one is testing the existence of God, then there has to be a way that the test would show God not to exist or else it is not a valid test. If one is testing the Bible then there has to be a way to show that the Bible is wrong or it is not a valid test.
 
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they are not "God's tests". You keep forgetting that. If one is testing the existence of God, then there has to be a way that the test would show God not to exist or else it is not a valid test. If one is testing the Bible then there has to be a way to show that the Bible is wrong or it is not a valid test.

The concept of falsifiability doesn't have much of a place in religion.
 
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The concept of falsifiability doesn't have much of a place in religion.
I know. They usually cannot afford it. I had to backtrack and see who originally made the claim that religious beliefs were testable. I will help a bit, it was not me.
 
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Look, you can declare that you've one all you want, doesn't change the fact that all you've ever been able to do is make claims and insist they're true. You've never been able to present any actual evidence for anything you've said. Until you present evidence, you'll find that most people here don't find your claims convincing unless they already believe them.
Ha. Far as I am concerned when we can truly show so called science claims to be based on faith alone, the battle is over. Hey, beliefs are a dime a dozen.
And yet I gave it a good honest try and got zip.

I am not a judge, so I can't argue that at some point you did reach out to God. I have met folks who have said that as they looked back on their life, they realized God was working and doing various things that they never realized He was doing at the time. Perhaps time will tell. I have noticed also that sometimes when life gets hard, we tend to maybe double check our relationship with God, and often dark times bring us closer to Him also. I think a relationship depends on both parties.

James 4:8 - Come near to God and he will come near to you.
 
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Ha. Far as I am concerned when we can truly show so called science claims to be based on faith alone, the battle is over. Hey, beliefs are a dime a dozen.


I am not a judge, so I can't argue that at some point you did reach out to God. I have met folks who have said that as they looked back on their life, they realized God was working and doing various things that they never realized He was doing at the time. Perhaps time will tell. I have noticed also that sometimes when life gets hard, we tend to maybe double check our relationship with God, and often dark times bring us closer to Him also. I think a relationship depends on both parties.

James 4:8 - Come near to God and he will come near to you.
That is only because you have no understanding of the scientific method. Faith is not allowed in the sciences. Would you like to start with the basics so that you will not repeat this gross error? Of course ignorance of reality is the creationist's best defense. It allows them to make obviously false statements with plausible deniability when people accuse them of lying.

Tell me what about the countless people that reach out to God and never get an answer? That is a "failure" of your test. It would indicate that your God does not exist and that you are cherry picking results that agree with you. For a valid test one cannot choose only the winners. All answers must have a valid explanation and "they weren't doing it right" is never a valid explanation. You are making the error of assuming that your God exists when that is what is being tested in the first place. That is circular reasoning. Any version of "God" can be supported by that whether Christian or even some ancient superstition of a long dead tribe. It does not lead anywhere.
 
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You have been utterly incapable of showing this.

I would not expect you to show me that God works in my life, nor anyone to be able or expected to show that. My tests I run myself. Believers are to deal with Him directly. The results of the friendship are not something meant usually to be visible to the rest of the world directly. It is not up to my neighbor to tell me if God is working in my life. (they may notice changes over time if they are close)
It is not up to me to test your relationship with God. I can say that I have seen that He never fails to answer in my experience, and in Scripture.

Now if I felt that God had not revealed Himself clearly to me, I might try seeking Him a little more, reading the gospels, doing what I thought He wanted..etc. trying to make sure there was no problem on my end of the phone line.
 
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I would not expect you to show me that God works in my life, nor anyone to be able or expected to show that. My tests I run myself. Believers are to deal with Him directly. The results of the friendship are not something meant usually to be visible to the rest of the world directly. It is not up to my neighbor to tell me if God is working in my life. (they may notice changes over time if they are close)
It is not up to me to test your relationship with God. I can say that I have seen that He never fails to answer in my experience, and in Scripture.

Now if I felt that God had not revealed Himself clearly to me, I might try seeking Him a little more, reading the gospels, doing what I thought He wanted..etc. trying to make sure there was no problem on my end of the phone line.
Again, tests that will confirm any "God" are not valid tests. You would not accept the results that a Muslim would get if he ran your same test. Or a Hindu, or a Buddhist. They too could find their version of god confirmed with your test. That is why it is a failed test.
 
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they are not "God's tests". You keep forgetting that. If one is testing the existence of God, then there has to be a way that the test
Elijah called down fire from heaven that burned the wet log and the ground around it. Moses parted the red sea (God parted it for them). Jesus rose from the dead. A good part of the population of Israel was healed in Jesus' day. Angels broke believers out of jail. Etc etc etc. Once something is proven known and demonstrated repeatedly to exist, there is no validity to trying to invent some test to make them no longer exist! YOUR criteria and concept of a test is wrong. Once a child is brought up by parents, there is no test to show their mother exists or not. It is insanity to doubt reality.
 
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That is only because you have no understanding of the scientific method. Faith is not allowed in the sciences. Would you like to start with the basics so that you will not repeat this gross error? Of course ignorance of reality is the creationist's best defense. It allows them to make obviously false statements with plausible deniability when people accuse them of lying.

Tell me what about the countless people that reach out to God and never get an answer? That is a "failure" of your test. It would indicate that your God does not exist and that you are cherry picking results that agree with you. For a valid test one cannot choose only the winners. All answers must have a valid explanation and "they weren't doing it right" is never a valid explanation. You are making the error of assuming that your God exists when that is what is being tested in the first place. That is circular reasoning. Any version of "God" can be supported by that whether Christian or even some ancient superstition of a long dead tribe. It does not lead anywhere.

Ps 119:2 - Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.

Jer 3:10 - And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the LORD.

12 Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: 13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil. 14 Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God?

Jer 29:13 - And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
 
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Elijah called down fire from heaven that burned the wet log and the ground around it. Moses parted the red sea (God parted it for them). Jesus rose from the dead. A good part of the population of Israel was healed in Jesus' day. Angels broke believers out of jail. Etc etc etc. Once something is proven known and demonstrated repeatedly to exist, there is no validity to trying to invent some test to make them no longer exist! YOUR criteria and concept of a test is wrong. Once a child is brought up by parents, there is no test to show their mother exists or not. It is insanity to doubt reality.
Nope, that is a story from the Bible. Not a test. Try again. Tests must occur in present day. You were the one that claimed there were valid tests for the Bible. So far your "tests" confirm all religions. And since they cannot all be right they confirm none.
 
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Ps 119:2 - Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.

Jer 3:10 - And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the LORD.

12 Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: 13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil. 14 Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God?

Jer 29:13 - And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
Still not a proper test. Other religions have similar claims. If your test "confirms" all religions it confirms none of them.
 
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Nope, that is a story from the Bible. Not a test. Try again. Tests must occur in present day. You were the one that claimed there were valid tests for the Bible. So far your "tests" confirm all religions. And since they cannot all be right they confirm none.
Your posts are stories.
 
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Again, tests that will confirm any "God" are not valid tests. You would not accept the results that a Muslim would get if he ran your same test. Or a Hindu, or a Buddhist. They too could find their version of god confirmed with your test. That is why it is a failed test.
You are not the arbiter of what a test is. You are a doubter.
 
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You are not the arbiter of what a test is. You are a doubter.
A doubter is the best arbiter. A person that does not understand what a proper test is can never be an arbiter. You simply do not understand what a proper test is. Your "tests" confirm the religions that you deny.
 
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A doubter is the best arbiter. A person that does not understand what a proper test is can never be an arbiter. You simply do not understand what a proper test is. Your "tests" confirm the religions that you deny.
Those who doubt demonstrated reality are not arbiters of anything but delusion.
 
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