Medicare For All 2020 Sanders Plan

mark46 said:

Bernie Sanders unveils new 'Medicare for All' bill as he tries to set 2020 health-care agenda

Sanders has added long-term care and no deductibles tr copays to his previous plan. All private health insurance is eliminated.

Sanders has given the Republicans a clear target.

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Maybe.

The other way of looking at it is that Bernie has put out an idea and hopefully it will be given fair consideration. Who knows? Republican voters who appreciate the idea of cheaper healthcare just may put enough pressure on their Republican representatives to force them to consider Bernie's ideas, fix whatever needs fixing in his proposal, keep whatever's already good and then get this thing done.

Don't misunderstand the other side. Targeting private health insurance companies is music to more GOP voters' ears than you might think.

Bernie deserves credit for putting a plan out there for all to see. Only time will tell how his plan goes over, but at least he is willing to engage in the debate arena with a specific proposal.

I am not for socialism but Medicare is a good program and I think it would be beneficial for all but if it means socialism then I am out.

ilovejcsog said:

I am not for socialism but Medicare is a good program and I think it would be beneficial for all but if it means socialism then I am out.

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But why does it "mean" socialism?

I am all for some type of single payer coverage for and Medicare seems the most logical. The problem I see with Bernie’s plan is that it won’t pass because the insurance industry has a strong lobby and also all the jobs currently linked to private medical insurance suddenly gone would be a negative to the economy.

The thing about it is, Bernie really isn't the "other side". He's really only a Democrat because candidates need to be either Democrat or Republican to have a good chance of winning the presidential election and not splitting the votes. As a Senator, he's always been Independent and is popular with both Democrats and Republicans in his home state.

His "socialism" really only applies to certain social programs such as health care and education, and he supports free market capitalism for businesses. You can't really put Bernie in a strict "socialism" or "capitalism" category and really need to look at the policies he supports and his very consistent voting record. That's another thing I really like about him. He doesn't just change his views based on popular opinion or what may get him votes and he has an extensive voting record to back that up.

Considering that he's a politician, he seems to be an ethical person, which is also something I appreciate. He's not perfect, but he's probably the first politician I've ever been able to vote *for* vs. simply the better of two evils.

As much as Bernie's Medicare For All plan is problematical, it is much more realistic than his call for four years of college for all who want to go.

comana said:

I am all for some type of single payer coverage for and Medicare seems the most logical. The problem I see with Bernie’s plan is that it won’t pass because the insurance industry has a strong lobby and also all the jobs currently linked to private medical insurance suddenly gone would be a negative to the economy.

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I think he's planting seeds though. He and others have been continuing to plant these seeds since before the 2016 elections (if not earlier) and back at that time almost no one besides the "crazies" like Bernie was seriously supporting any sort of single payer or Medicare-for-all type of system (including the Democratic establishment) and now for 2020 it has a lot more support.

So while it might not pass the moment Bernie was elected, the seeds are there and they are growing and will continue to grow. Also, many jobs would be created to support any new plans, so people who had jobs in the insurance industry should be qualified to move over to any of those new jobs if they still wanted to remain in health care. I don't believe the economy would take a hit at all, or if it did, it would be very short term for longer-term gain.

bekkilyn said:

I think he's planting seeds though. He and others have been continuing to plant these seeds since before the 2016 elections (if not earlier) and back at that time almost no one besides the "crazies" like Bernie was seriously supporting any sort of single payer or Medicare-for-all type of system (including the Democratic establishment) and now for 2020 it has a lot more support.

So while it might not pass the moment Bernie was elected, the seeds are there and they are growing and will continue to grow. Also, many jobs would be created to support any new plans, so people who had jobs in the insurance industry should be qualified to move over to any of those new jobs if they still wanted to remain in health care. I don't believe the economy would take a hit at all, or if it did, it would be very short term for longer-term gain.

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Major change rarely happens overnight, be it in politics or in personal behavior. The planting of seeds can sometimes lead overtime to major changes.

Basil the Great said:

As much as Bernie's Medicare For All plan is problematical, it is much more realistic than his call for four years of college for all who want to go.

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That's one thing I like about Bernie though. He has a lot of idealism and he thinks big. While everything may not actually happen as he proposes, the bar is raised high enough so that if we do get something, it would still be an improvement over what we have, provided we like whatever things he proposes. It's that whole setting the bar higher than you think you will get when bartering, though I do think Bernie does believe it's possible for us to have that higher bar too.

Lol.... ask him to talk about whats left out.. whats not being talked about..well on the right. This would stop kill it.

Really ever 4 years just before we hear the promises..I remember before Nov 2018.. what some keep saying they cared about. What they would do! Yet here we are 4/2019 and pin drop..

Free stuff...who wont go for that lol

Basil the Great said:

Major change rarely happens overnight, be it in politics or in personal behavior. The planting of seeds can sometimes lead overtime to major changes.

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Yes, and we are ultimately going to *have* to do something about this health care issue, with both having access to health care when they need it and with health care costs. While the ACA was a step forward in getting more people access to health care, it is still a very flawed plan, still being so dependent on insurers. And insurance is still very costly (more than many people's mortgage payments) for anyone who isn't super rich or near poverty level to be able to get premium credits.

And insurance has been getting worse and worse. I was talking to a lady last week and her home care person got into an car accident and got taken to the hospital, and even though she only had a brief visit and was not there overnight, she was billed for $15,000 and her insurance will only pay $1000. And chances are good, that's not the only bill she will be receiving for her unplanned hospital visit. It's crazy!

Wonder if the CBO will wade in. Interesting to see an unbiased 3rd party fiscal analysis.

It's worth remembering at this point that prior to Obama, health care was the "3rd rail" of US politics.

Quick question for all:
Is car insurance socialism?
Is home insurance socialism?
Because socialized medicine is essentially those. Except, instead of a FOR profit entity that has no interest in seeing you paid out if there is ANY way for them to help it, it is a government that will have a legal framework that will DEMAND treatment.

Basil the Great said:

Major change rarely happens overnight, be it in politics or in personal behavior. The planting of seeds can sometimes lead overtime to major changes.

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Both republicans and democrats, if they are being honest, acknowledges that our current system is deeply flawed. Healthcare has been an ongoing discussion since before Hillarycare / Clinton administration.
We should have had the single-payer discussion instead of the ACA but neither party had the intestinal fortitude to do so.

mark46 said:

Bernie Sanders unveils new 'Medicare for All' bill as he tries to set 2020 health-care agenda

Sanders has added long-term care and no deductibles tr copays to his previous plan. All private health insurance is eliminated.

Sanders has given the Republicans a clear target.

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Not a bad idea in my opinion, this from a conservative Republican. The only concern I have is with "all". In most situations middle to upper income people can afford healthcare through insurance providers. Affordable to free medicare based on income should already be in place. People living in poverty can and do fall through the cracks of the healthcare system though, and I am glad to see this issue resurface, it needs to be addressed and should have been addressed in the two years the Republicans had practically full control in the WH.

ilovejcsog said:

I am not for socialism but Medicare is a good program and I think it would be beneficial for all but if it means socialism then I am out.

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America is already socialist. We're just not socialist on the right issues, that's all.

Universal healthcare, yes. Bernie’s plan, no.

Is this the kind of socialism where we get to eat guinea pigs???