Biblical Timeline leading up to the end

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There is no temporary physical kingdom planned for this world. The kingdom arrived with Jesus at his first coming Luke 11:20. It is spiritual Luke 17:21, and flesh and blood cannot inherit it 1 Corinthians 15:50. It is a kingdom only the born again can see John 3:3. It is a kingdom of faith and cannot be a kingdom of sight 2 Corinthians 5:7 as millennial theories claim Luke 17:20.

The great Tribulation was Jewish only and happened as foretold by Jesus in 70 AD. By destroying the temple and Jerusalem Matthew 24:ff. Jesus told his disciples, “when you see” all of this, spoken in the second person plural, meaning those in his present audience, leave Jerusalem. This they did according to history.

Tribulation is the normal lot of all Christians between the first and Second Advent Acts 14:22.

Nothing remains unfulfilled before Christ returns*. It will be as in Noah’s day, much like today where people marry and are given in marriage Matthew 24:36–39.

On the last day Christ returns followed by the resurrection of the Just John 6:39. Followed by the Rapture 1 Corinthians 15:51–53. Accompanied by the resurrection of the damned and their judgment John 5:29. Accompanied by the destruction of the universe by fire, followed by the creation of the New Heavens and Earth 2 Peter 3:10–13. Where believers of all-time meet and live in the house of the Lord forever Psalm 23:6.

*Many look for the symbols of Revelation to literally appear in the future. But if we look for what the symbols represent, we can see Revelation’s predictions fulfilled time and again throughout history.
 

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I 100% DISAGREE with what you posted.
The Book of Revelation was written of things and events to come, not things and events that have already happened .
John said things that would "shortly come to pass".

“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:” (Revelation 1:1)
 
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John said things that would "shortly come to pass".

“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:” (Revelation 1:1)

Our versions say 'shortly'. The word itself implies rather something that is fixed in place. Such as when we are told in Revelation 9:15 that the angels were prepared for that particular hour, day, month, and year. It's letting us know the time of judgment on the earth cannot be altered or delayed in any way.
 
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When it comes to eschatology, "shortly" doesn't mean shortly, unless of course, it actually means "shortly".

I'll rejoin this discussion shortly, unless something happens....then I'll be back shortly.
 
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"But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."
- 2 Pet 3:8

"After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will raise us up, that we may live before him."
- Hos 6:2
 
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There is no temporary physical kingdom planned for this world. The kingdom arrived with Jesus at his first coming Luke 11:20. It is spiritual Luke 17:21, and flesh and blood cannot inherit it 1 Corinthians 15:50. It is a kingdom only the born again can see John 3:3. It is a kingdom of faith and cannot be a kingdom of sight 2 Corinthians 5:7 as millennial theories claim Luke 17:20.

The great Tribulation was Jewish only and happened as foretold by Jesus in 70 AD. By destroying the temple and Jerusalem Matthew 24:ff. Jesus told his disciples, “when you see” all of this, spoken in the second person plural, meaning those in his present audience, leave Jerusalem. This they did according to history.

Tribulation is the normal lot of all Christians between the first and Second Advent Acts 14:22.

Nothing remains unfulfilled before Christ returns*. It will be as in Noah’s day, much like today where people marry and are given in marriage Matthew 24:36–39.
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Followed by the Rapture 1 Corinthians 15:51–53. Accompanied by the resurrection of the damned and their judgment John 5:29. Accompanied by the destruction of the universe by fire, followed by the creation of the New Heavens and Earth 2 Peter 3:10–13. Where believers of all-time meet and live in the house of the Lord forever Psalm 23:6.
I don't believe we're going anywhere. I believe the only "rapture" was when the OT saints moved from Sheol into His presence.

Also.....2 Peter 3:10-13 has also been fulfilled with the destruction of the Temple and the Levitical priesthood - Jesus is our High Priest now. That - I believe - is the New Heaven/New Earth (to the ancient Jews - the place where heaven - God's domain - met earth - humanities domain - was in the Holy of Holies ).
What John Really Meant: The Gospel of the New Temple

ETA: a disclosure. That doesn't mean that I don't believe in a future return of Christ. I do. I think you said it well, Dave, when you said there will be no signs for that - as all have been fulfilled. He can return at any time.
 
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ItIsFinished! said:
I 100% DISAGREE with what you posted.
The Book of Revelation was written of things and events to come, not things and events that have already happened .
John said things that would "shortly come to pass".

“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:” (Revelation 1:1)
When it comes to eschatology, "shortly" doesn't mean shortly, unless of course, it actually means "shortly".
I'll rejoin this discussion shortly, unless something happens....then I'll be back shortly.
And in swiftness..........
as in only 5 months for the Roman army to decimate the City and Temple........

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized


Matthew 24:3
Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling to us!
when shall these be being?
and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and full-end<4931-5055> of the Age?

James 5:8
be patient! and stand-fast! the hearts of ye,
that the Parousia <3952> of the Lord is nigh<1448>

"THE TIME IS NIGH AT HAND" AND "COMING IN SWIFTNESS" REVELATION PROPHECY

Revelation 1

1 An unveiling of Jesus Christ, which gives to Him, the GOD, to show to the bond-servants of Him, which-things is binding to be becoming In/en <1722> Swiftness/tacei <5034>.
3 Blessed/happy the one reading and the ones hearing the words of the Prophecy and keepings in it having been written/gegrammena <1125> (5772),
That the Time/Season is nigh<1451>.

Revelation 22:10

6 And said to me: "These the Words Faithful and True. And Lord, the GOD of the spirits of the holy Prophets commissions the messenger of Him to show to the bond-servents of Him which-things is binding to be becoming In/en <1722> Swiftness/tacei <5034>.
10 And he is saying to me "no thou should be sealing the Words of the Prophecy of the Scroll, this.
That the Time/Season is nigh<1451>

Romans 13:
11 And this knowing the time, that hour it-is already out of sleep to be roused, for now nearer<1452> of us the Salvation than when we believed.
12 The Night progresses, the yet Day is nigh<1448>.
We should be putting off then the works of the Darkness, we should be putting on the implements of the Light.

Hebrews 8:13
in the to be saying `New', He hath made old the former.
The yet being aged and being obsolete nigh<1451> of disappearance<854>

1 Peter 4:7
Of all-things yet the End<5056> is nigh<1448>

be sane then, and be sober into the prayers,
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https://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/timeline_military.html

CHRONOLOGY IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THE WAR
Stage 1: Murder of James the Just, "Opposition High Priest" ; Irrevocable Split: 62
Stage 2: General Revolt in Jerusalem ; Zealot Occupation of Masada: August-September 66
Stage 3: The Campaign of Cestius Gallus and the Defeat of the Twelfth Legion: October-November 66
Stage 4: End of Collaborative Government, Priesthood ; General Flight: November 66 - March 67
Part 6: Vespasian Subdues Northern and Western Palestine: December 66 - December 68
Part 7: Three-way Power Struggle within Jerusalem After Roman Retreat: January 68 - May 70
Part 8: Romans Breach City Walls and Leave Jerusalem Desolate: May 10 - September 10, 70

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover ; and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah!
Nevertheless, the city was at this time crowded with Jewish strangers, and foreigners from all parts, so that the whole nation may be considered as having been shut up in one prison, preparatory to the execution of the Divine vengeance ;
and according to Josephus this event took place suddenly ; thus, not only fulfilling the predictions of our LORD, that these calamities should come, like the swift-darting lightning" that cometh out of the east and shineth even unto the West," and " as a snare on all of them (the Jews) who dwelt upon the face of the whole earth " (Matt. xxiv. 27, and Luke xxi 35,) but justifying, also, his friendly direction, that those who fled from the place should use the utmost possible expedition.
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And in swiftness..........
as in only 5 months for the Roman army to decimate the City and Temple........

Once again, incorrect. The shortly (G848) in Revelation 1 that John wrote in 90AD has NOTHING to do with your so-called 5 months destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.

When Daniel 12 was written, the New Testament was not written yet. The words being closed up and sealed till the "time of the end" are referring to the New Testament and the time when God revealed the final revelation to the apostle John on Patmos.

Daniel 12:8-9 KJV
[8] And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
[9] And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Daniel 12:4 KJV
[4] But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

The words were "closed up" to Daniel, but revealed in the New Testament where many Christian will run to and fro and knowledge of God's Revelation shall increase after the Cross. The great mystery of the Gospel has already been revealed with the coming of the Spirit of Truth which have everything to do with spiritual knowledge in Christ, not additional knowledge or physical events. Biblical Knowledge. This has been happening since Christ came the first time. This only revealed to the believers in Christ, not the unbelievers:

2 Timothy 3:7 KJV
[7] Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

The book of Daniel basically opened as the "Revelation of Jesus Christ", which shortly come to pass. John received it and penned it to God's servants of the New Testament period.
 
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There is no temporary physical kingdom planned for this world. The kingdom arrived with Jesus at his first coming Luke 11:20. It is spiritual Luke 17:21, and flesh and blood cannot inherit it 1 Corinthians 15:50. It is a kingdom only the born again can see John 3:3. It is a kingdom of faith and cannot be a kingdom of sight 2 Corinthians 5:7 as millennial theories claim Luke 17:20.

The great Tribulation was Jewish only and happened as foretold by Jesus in 70 AD. By destroying the temple and Jerusalem Matthew 24:ff. Jesus told his disciples, “when you see” all of this, spoken in the second person plural, meaning those in his present audience, leave Jerusalem. This they did according to history.

Tribulation is the normal lot of all Christians between the first and Second Advent Acts 14:22.

Nothing remains unfulfilled before Christ returns*. It will be as in Noah’s day, much like today where people marry and are given in marriage Matthew 24:36–39.

On the last day Christ returns followed by the resurrection of the Just John 6:39. Followed by the Rapture 1 Corinthians 15:51–53. Accompanied by the resurrection of the damned and their judgment John 5:29. Accompanied by the destruction of the universe by fire, followed by the creation of the New Heavens and Earth 2 Peter 3:10–13. Where believers of all-time meet and live in the house of the Lord forever Psalm 23:6.

*Many look for the symbols of Revelation to literally appear in the future. But if we look for what the symbols represent, we can see Revelation’s predictions fulfilled time and again throughout history.
This is denial of scriptural truths, of the worst kind.
Every prophet in the Bible tells us about our future, the soon to commence end times events. Things that have never happened yet, but surely will.

The Spiritual Kingdom is the Church age, where the Kingdom is within us.
This is about to end, with the cataclysmic event of the Sixth Seal, a world changer that will set the scene for all to happen as is plainly described in our Bibles.
Jesus made this clear at His Advent, when He read Isaiah 63:1-2a. The next thing is to be the great and terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath.
 
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LittleLambofJesus said:
And in swiftness..........
as in only 5 months for the Roman army to decimate the City and Temple.....
Once again, incorrect. The shortly (G848) in Revelation 1 that John wrote in 90AD has NOTHING to do with your so-called 5 months destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.

When Daniel 12 was written, the New Testament was not written yet. The words being closed up and sealed till the "time of the end" are referring to the New Testament and the time when God revealed the final revelation to the apostle John on Patmos.
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Do you think Daniel is talking about a literal flood of water?

Revelation 9: Tormented 5 MONTHS and death fleeing 70ad

Dan 9:26

“And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of a prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 11:22
“With the force of a flood they shall be swept away from before him and be broken, and also a prince of a covenant

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

Matthew 24:37
“But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Luke 17:26
“And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man:
1Pe 3:20
who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.
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Daniel 12:1
"And in that time/season Michael shall stand-up, the great chief prince, the one standing over sons of thy people. And a time of distress<06869>, which not occurred since to become of a nation until that time. And in that time, thy people shall escape<4422>, every of the one being found written in scroll. [Luke 21:23-36]

Luke 21:23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people.
36 “Yet be being vigilant/watching in every season, beseeching that ye should be being strong to be escaping<1628> all these, the being about to be becoming, and to stand before the Son of the Man.
 
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The Spiritual Kingdom is the Church age, where the Kingdom is within us.
This is about to end
His Kingdom has no end.

2 Samuel 7:13 ~ He will build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.

Genesis 17:7
I will establish My covenant as an everlasting covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you.
 
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His Kingdom has no end.

2 Samuel 7:13 ~ He will build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.

Genesis 17:7
I will establish My covenant as an everlasting covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you.
Now, if we can only get the Jews to believe that.......oh, I forget, they are still waiting on their own Messiah....

Isaiah 9:7
Of the increase of His government and peace There will be no end,

Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom, To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
 
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Dan 9:26
“And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of a prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 11:22
“With the force of a flood they shall be swept away from before him and be broken, and also a prince of a covenant

But do you really understand what Daniel 9:26 is really saying? And what and when the flood God was talking about here? Well...pay attention...

...He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Daniel 9:26 KJV
[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

This is the warfare spoken of in Daniel 9. This is the flood (overflowing) upon Israel of which at the end of it, desolations are determined. As it was written, and you read in Matthew 23:38 when Jesus said, 'Behold, your house is left unto you desolate!' Don't be misled by the word, "flood", it's meaning can be seen in verses such as Isaiah 8:8, or Daniel 11:10. An excellent verse to get a feel for what flood means is Daniel 11:26.

Daniel 11:26 KJV
[26] Yea, they that feed of the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain.

When the Bible talks about an army, war, and the flood or overflowing. This is what is in view. It means it is a great overflowing army in this war. The question is, what war? The armies are those who fought against Christ, and to the end of the war, they are left desolate and cut off, but to a remnant, he returns with Mercies. Do you know who Jesus talked about here, humm?

Was there a war at the cross? Indeed there was. But it is not a physical war. It was a spiritual war! When the Bible says that they were all against Christ, that is War. To be at enmity against Christ, is to be at war with Him. Just as to be reconciled in Christ, is to be at Peace with Him. Therefore, the Flood is the overwhelming or overflowing of those who came against Christ. There was none that stood with Him. We see this in Messianic Psalms, that I hope you double check with, Littlelamb:

Psalms 69:2
  • "I sink in deep mire, where there is no standing: I am come into deep waters, where the FLOODS OVERFLOW Me. I am weary of crying: My throat is dry: Mine eyes fail while I wait for My God. They that hate me without a cause (John 15:25) are more than the hairs of Mine head: They that would destroy Me, being Mine enemies wrongfully are mighty:..."
So tell me LittleLamb, exactly who does this flood represents? And who are Christ's enemies? Romans? Seriously!

No, this is the overflowing flood of the army that came against Christ, and which made an end of City and Sanctuary. It's those who fought against the Messiah, His Enemies, those that Hated Him. They were as a Flood! And THEY made war until the end, and desolations were determined. They are judged of God. Blindness had happened to Isarel! The Prophet and the vision is sealed! Hello? In fact, the verse we saw in Acts 15 of rebuilding the tabernacle of David from it's ruins, is taken from the Book of Amos.

Amos 9:11
  • "In that day I will raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old."
When Acts says this scripture is fulfilled (Acts 15:16) as it is written, it tells us that we don't have to look elsewhere for the fulfillment. It is fulfilled in Christ. Again, notice the language of verse 5 when talking about this judgement of Israel.

Amos 9:5
  • "And the Lord God of hosts is He that toucheth the land, and it shall melt, and all that dwell therein shall mourn: and it shall rise up wholly like a FLOOD: and shall be drowned, as by the FLOOD of Egypt."
See? At the cross, Christ freed us from the bondage of Satan, just as God freed Israel from bondage of Pharaoh. And as the armies who fought against Israel were drowned then, so those who fight against Israel (Christ) at the cross come up like a flood, and are drowned in God's judgement. How? Not literally drown them into the sea. Not being killed with physical arms of Romans. But by spiritually blind Israel and they no longer testify the Truth out of their mouth. Do you remember what God said in Zechariah 14?

Zechariah 14:12 KJV
[12] And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

The eyes consume away in their holes signifies spiritual blindness! The tongue shall consume away in their mouth signifies their inability to testify God's Word anymore! This was what happened to Jews when they rejected Messiah the Prince and put Him upon the Cross! Their kingdom representative was already taken away from them! God did not need Roman soliders to fulfill any of this! Hello?

Again, it is God who has left THIS CITY desolate because of their warfare with him. It is the congregation of Israel (Jews) who were in war with God! The Jews are the people of the Prince (Christ) according to context. Nothing to do with a physical temple nor Romans! The Jews, as a congregation of God, were the one who has destroyed the city and the Temple. This is HOW they have lost their kingdom representative to another! Didn't you read what Christ warned the Jews for a sign?

John 2:18-21 KJV
[18] Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
[19] Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
[20] Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
[21] But he spake of the temple of his body.

And God will bring judgment upon them because they DID reject and destroy Christ but in three days, Christ raise it up in three days, didn't He? So exactly what temple did Christ really talked about here? Is it a physical temple with physical stones that Romans need to destroy it? HUH?! NO! He will build again the spiritual tabernacle that is fallen, and raise again the ruins, with living bricks. First the Jews then the Gentiles! The tabernacle is the congregation of Israel which is the BODY OF CHRIST! Not a physical temple just as John 2:21 said above! Merciful God returns with compassion, to the rebuilding of the tabernacle but this time, He gave the kingdom representative that He took away from the Jews to Gentiles, the Church! The warfare is finished! Our iniquity (sin) is pardoned.

Isaiah 40:1
  • "Comfort ye, comfort ye My people, saith your God. Speak ye comfortably to JERUSALEM, and cry unto her, that her WARFARE is accomplished, and that her INIQUITY is pardoned: for she HATH RECEIVED DOUBLE for all her sins."
When we study this carefully, we see that this speaks of the coming of Christ and what He did for Israel by the cross, 'not' of a (supposed) future event, whether with 70AD or modern Israel. That's another important fact. Jerusalem was Judged, and she was at war, but that warfare ends with the death of Christ (for those truly Saved), and the rebuilding of the tabernacle in Him. The time for the Salvation of Israel is not future, but now. Her warfare is accomplished. Period. She has been reconciled to God. Not Literal Jerusalem, or a Literal city. Not 70AD. Not 1967AD. There is no way we can conclude that verse is talking about a literal city or literal warfare ending? The Time for Israel to be Saved is right now, just like the rest of the nations. The problem is BECAUSE the Israel in view, is 'The Israel of God' made up of all those in Christ. Jews and Gentiles. Old and New Testament. Not a physical nation. We are comforted in the rebuilding of 'that' Jerusalem, and 'that' Sanctuary. Not a City in the middle east, nor a collection of literal bricks and mortar in a Temple made by Man's hands. The Rebuilding is in Christ, of a Temple made without hands. And Blessed are they who were bestowed Grace to be able to see these truths.
 
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Now, if we can only get the Jews to believe that.......oh, I forget, they are still waiting on their own Messiah....

Bingo!

That is why throughout the New Testament period, the blindness in PART has been happening to Israel (Jews) which means that there are SOME FEW JEWS who have been saved by the blood of the Lamb when they hear the Gospel that Gentiles brings anywhere in the world. The rest, however, even those in national Israel today, are still in denial and are waiting for Messiah other than Jesus Christ will be in shock of their lives coming to Judgment Day. There will be NO national redemption for Israel in the future after the building of the church (making up of BOTH Jews and Gentiles) be finished. Read carefully:

Romans 11:25-27 KJV
[25] For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
[26] And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
[27] For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

What Israel is this? National Israel or Spiritual Israel made up of both Jews and Gentiles? Which one did Christ confirm a covenant with that takes away their sins, Daniel 9:27? Think about it.
 
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But do you really understand what Daniel 9:26 is really saying? And what and when the flood God was talking about here? Well...pay attention...
Not 70AD. Not 1967AD. There is no way we can conclude that verse is talking about a literal city or literal warfare ending?.
I see a literal physical City in Revelation. I think the Jews would agree it is their 1st century Temple and City in Revelation....IF they would read it of course.

Do you believe a literal Temple existed prior to 70ad?

Matthew 24:1
And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple.
And His Disciples approached Him to show to Him the buildings of the Temple

Luke 19:43 That shall be arriving days upon Thee.[Revelation 18:8]
and Thy enemies shall be casting up a rampart/siege-work to Thee..

Luke 21:20 “Whenever ye see Jerusalem surrounded by armies,
then know that nigh is Her desolation. [Revelation 18:19]

The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19

Revelation 18
8 Thru this in one day shall be arriving Her blows
death and sorrow and famine.

19 For to one hour She was desolated.”
 
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