The Trinity

You are absolutely correct. However, there is more revealed about Him as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Here are a few passages to think about:
"And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began." John 17:5
Jesus was with his Father before the world began.
"But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you." John 16:13-14
The Holy Spirit will hear from another, apparently Jesus, what to speak.
From just these two passages, it is quite obvious that the Son is another person from the Father, and the Holy Spirit is another person from the Son.
Here's another:
"For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit." Ephesians 2:18
We have access to the Father through the Son by the Holy Spirit. Clearly there are three at work here at one time. But since I haven't mentioned a distinction between the Father and Holy Spirit specifically yet, I'll zero in. The Holy Spirit gives us access to the Father, and therefore is not the Father.
Last:
"Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear." Acts 2:33
Jesus received the Holy Spirit from the Father. Not only is it obvious again a distinction among the three at one time, but the Holy Spirit is from the Father. He therefore also has been with the Father from eternity.
So, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct persons of the one God Yahweh from eternity. The God of the Bible is therefore tri-une. Hence the word trinity.
Hope this helps.

That being said, I'm not saying Trinity is a name of God, but a valid description of His being.

Here are some helpful historic confessional statements about the Trinity that are very useful in understanding basic Trinitarian theology:

The Nicene Creed:
The Three Ecumenical Creeds - Book of Concord

The Athanasian Creed (aka the Quicumque Vult):
The Three Ecumenical Creeds - Book of Concord

The statement of faith from the 11th Council of Toledo:
Toledo-11

Some helpful definitions of terms:

Ousia - translated as "substance", "essence", or "being"; this refers to the Substance of God, God's God-ness. That is, if we ask, "What is the Father?" Our answer is "The Father is God".

Hypostasis - translated as "subsistence", or sometimes "Person"; this refers to the distinct this-ness of the Three. That is, if we ask, "Who is the Father?" Our answer is, "He is the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, His Son".

Hence we say there is one Ousia and three Hypostases.

The Father is God.
The Son is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.
Not three Gods, but one God, because what the Father is, the Son is also, and also the Holy Spirit.
One God.

The Father is the Father, not the Son, not the Holy Spirit.
The Son is the Son, not the Father, not the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit, not the Father, not the Son.

The Father begets the Son, spirates the Holy Spirit; and is unbegotten.
The Son is only-begotten of the Father.
The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father [and the Son].

More helpful terms:

Perichoresis - sometimes called "circumincession", a somewhat harder word to translate, but sometimes described as the mutual co-inhereing and co-inhabitation, and inter-penetration of the Three Persons in and with one another. That is, "Don't you know that I am in the Father and that the Father is in Me?" The Father is in the Son, the Son is in the Father, the Father and the Son are in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is in the Father and the Son (etc); the idea of perichoresis carries the notion of movement, it is dynamic. It means that we can never speak of One without the Other in the Trinity; the Father is never without the Son and the Holy Spirit (for example), the Father is always the Father because He is the Father of the Son, just as the Son is always the Son because He is the Son of the Father, and the Holy Spirit is always the Holy Spirit because He is the Spirit of the Father and the Son. Every act of God is a Triune act. There is never separation of the Three Persons: their Unity of Being and their mutual unity with and in One Another in their relational love of and in One Another. E.g. When the Father loves us, He loves us in, with, and through His Son and Holy Spirit. E.g. Jesus says, "If you have seen Me you have seen the Father." E.g. When Jesus promises that He will send "Another Comforter" speaking of the Holy Spirit, distinct from Himself, He also says, "I will not leave you as orphans, I will come to you." For Christ is present in and through the Holy Spirit, just as the Father is seen and encountered in Christ--because the Three are always present in, with, through One and Another. That is Perichoresis.

Homoousios - often translated as "con-substantial", from the Greek homo meaning "same" and the Greek ousia which as we've seen already means "substance" or "essence" or "being". Literally, "of the same Being"; the Nicene Creed says that the Son is "of the same Being" as the Father, He is homoousios with the Father because He (the Son) is true God of true God, of the Father's own Being, from all eternity. The Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are homoousios, con-substantial, of one Being; as we have already seen: The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God; the Son and the Holy Spirit have their Being from the Father who is God, and therefore the Son is God, even as the Father is God, and the Holy Spirit is God even as the Father and the Son are God. The One and Same God.

-CryptoLutheran

YES. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” John 1:1
Both the Father and Jesus are God.

Greetings ewq1938,

ewq1938 said:

Yes, the NT reveals that Jesus is the Son of God the Father. The Father addressed his Son as God, so why would the Father do that if the Son isn't God?

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Yahweh, God the Father also called the Judges "Elohim" that is "gods" Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34-36 and these passages help to understand the Bible teaching that Jesus is the Son of God not God the Son.

Kind regards
Trevor

TrevorL said:

Greetings ewq1938,Yahweh, God the Father also called the Judges "Elohim" that is "gods" Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34-36 and these passages help to understand the Bible teaching that Jesus is the Son of God not God the Son.

Kind regards
Trevor

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Totally different use of the term. They were not being referred to as God the Almighty. And they did not exist from eternity with the Father as God also. As you can see from John 1:1, the Word did. Notice the next verses too:
"He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made." John 1:2-3

Greetings again ewq1938,

ewq1938 said:

That's not quite accurate but it is close.
God did not call any humans being a "God". They were only "like God" because of their representative authority similar to how Moses was "like God" to Pharaoh.

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Yes I agree that they represented God, but Jesus states that because of this role of receiving the word of God, and having the responsibility of administering these judgements faithfully, they were called gods:
John 10:34-35 (KJV) 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Kind regards
Trevor

Greetings mister rogers,

mister rogers said:

Totally different use of the term. They were not being referred to as God the Almighty. And they did not exist from eternity with the Father as God also. As you can see from John 1:1, the Word did. Notice the next verses too:
"He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made." John 1:2-3

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John 1:1 is not speaking about Jesus, but the Word, and I understand this to be a personification similar to the Wise Woman “Wisdom” who was with God in the creation as stated in Proverbs 8. Jesus appears in John 1:14 after his conception and birth revealing not the physical glory of God, but the moral glory of God, he was full of grace and truth.

Kind regards
Trevor

harko said:

What is your belief of the trinity that helps you understand the 3 in 1 concept of God.
The Father is not the son , The Son and the Father is not the Holy Spirit, Yet all are one God.
How do you with our limited human knowledge of God get through this one?

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There is a heated debate between "Oneness" pentacostals and "Trinitarians", with some going as far as to say the other is teaching lies from Hell. But the Truth is very unifying in this manner. And once God reveals Himself to you, you can agree with BOTH groups, and know they are not fully describing God. Scripture says that "everything about God's divine nature is clearly portrayed in creation". This means that there should be something about God's Oneness and "Trinity-ness" in nature.... and there is! Being filled with the Spirit, I once asked God to explain Himself to me... was He 3 or 1? Right when I prayed, my eyes fixated on the ground and I saw a 3-leaf clover and I heard in my spirit "I AM 3 that proceed forth from One". Again I was running through a path in the forest at a park and I found a tree that had 1 single base/root, but with 3 trees growing out of the single stump. It was both 3 trees AND 1! Right then, I knew what God meant by "3 that proceed forth from 1" and I have never had any questions about the "Trinity" OR "Oneness" of God since. God is Spirit. Spirit can be in multiple locations at the same time. God in Heaven is called "Father". God in the perfect human flesh is called "Son" (Jesus Christ). And God in us is called "Holy Spirit". The One God-Spirit in 3 places simultaneously is referenced in Scripture (Isaiah 9:6) when it says He [God] shall be called Wonderful Counselor (the Holy Spirit), Mighty God (all 3 as One), Everlasting Father (God the Father in Heaven), Prince of Peace (Jesus Christ the Son)." God is a single Spirit in 3 locations: Heaven, Jesus Christ, Church. And that Spirit never interrupts itself. God spoke from Heaven while Jesus was silent. God spoke thru Jesus while the skies were silent. God speaks thru the Church while no sound comes from the skies or from Jesus on earth. "Oneness" pentacostals are correct to say "The Lord our God is One", but they err when they say Jesus is the Father. Jesus said "I and the Father are One", not "I am the Father". If Jesus called Him Father, so should we. If the Father called Jesus "my beloved Son", so should we. "Trinitarians" are correct to describe the 3 places God exists. They err when they call God 3 "seperate persons" because this implies God is 3 disconnected beings. There is no way to seperate God from God. God is indivisible and One from everlasting to everlasting. So we see that both Oneness pentecostals and Trinitarians believe that Jesus is God in human flesh. So they are both in the same faith. They just do not "rightly divide the Word of Truth" when it comes to accurately describing the 3 locations that God exists. This human error is what they base their divisions upon. It is carnal, not spiritual and it's why the denominations fight unnecessarily.

Also, if you know how to break down the Word of God correctly, you can see the 3 aspects of God in His name.

God the Father = I AM who I AM (HaYah asher HaYah in Hebrew) Exodus 3:14
God the Son, Yah-shuah = I AM Salvation
God the Spirit, Christos = Annointing/Annointed

Jesus Christ (Yahshua Hamashiach) came in the Name of the Father (Yah). His atoning flesh and blood sacrifice is our Salvation (Shua), and He had the Anointing Holy Spirit (Christos).

The Word of Truth is "Jesus Christ" and THIS is how you rightly divide that Word into each of the 3 aspects of God's character.

In John 17:5 Jesus says he was with the Father and shared his glory from before the world began. He wouldn't have experienced that if he was not another person from the Father yet also God from eternity, clearly before his incarnation.

Right. His name as the Word incarnate is Jesus. Same person though, as you said, who existed from eternity WITH his Father.

I have a slightly different view of John 10:34-35 and Psalms 82:6-7
Even as Jesus quoted Ps 82:6 Jesus said "I said you are Gods." In Ps 82:6, God did not say merely "You are Gods." God qualified the statement with the words "I have said." All the words in the Bible are significant. Why didn't God say to the errant priests "You are gods but...?" When Jesus quoted Ps 82:6 why didn't He say, "Is it not written your, you law you are gods?"
.....The words "I have said" must be significant since they occur twice. I think God indicated that He was not actually saying the priests were gods and He emphasized that by adding "but you shall die like men."

Greetings again ewq1938,

ewq1938 said:

The English doesn't translate it properly. They were called "like gods" not "called gods".
The pre-incarnate Jesus was known as the Word so it's the same person being spoken of.

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No, I do not accept "like gods" as the correct translation. They were given the title "Elohim" as they represented God in the process of receiving the word of God and judging Exodus 21:6. I do not believe that Jesus pre-existed.

Kind regards
Trevor

TrevorL said:

Greetings again ewq1938,No, I do not accept "like gods" as the correct translation. They were given the title "Elohim" as they represented God in the process of receiving the word of God and judging Exodus 21:6. I do not believe that Jesus pre-existed.
Kind regards Trevor

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Does your Bible have John 17:5?

But you just said the Word is the same person as Jesus. And the Word preexisted the incarnation, right?