Speaking in tongues

ChristianForCats said:

While researching Protestant denominations, I learned this interesting bit of information: Most, but not all, evangelicals and Pentecostals believe people still receive gifts from the Holy Spirit - including speaking in tongues - when they are saved. Although speaking in tongues is Biblical I have never heard of any new Christians doing so. The same article states other denominations hold the belief that this stopped a long time ago. This makes sense, but they lump together all Holy Spirit gifts, not just speaking in tongues. I don't believe it is all or nothing. What do you think?

Click to expand...

ChristianForCats said:

While researching Protestant denominations, I learned this interesting bit of information: Most, but not all, evangelicals and Pentecostals believe people still receive gifts from the Holy Spirit - including speaking in tongues - when they are saved. Although speaking in tongues is Biblical I have never heard of any new Christians doing so. The same article states other denominations hold the belief that this stopped a long time ago. This makes sense, but they lump together all Holy Spirit gifts, not just speaking in tongues. I don't believe it is all or nothing. What do you think?

Click to expand...

Monk Brendan said:

There is no way that one can claim the senseless jabbering some people do is the Biblical gift of tongues.

Click to expand...

Anto9us said:

There is no way one can claim a counterfeit dollar bill is a real dollar.

btw -- let's add "Jabbering" and "incoherent babble" to 'gibberish' and 'Benny Hinn' Reductio ad Hiterum's...

Click to expand...

mister rogers said:

most would relate the gift as primarily a sign of coming judgment to unbelieving Israel until its destruction in 70 A.D.

Click to expand...

ChristianForCats said:

While researching Protestant denominations, I learned this interesting bit of information: Most, but not all, evangelicals and Pentecostals believe people still receive gifts from the Holy Spirit - including speaking in tongues - when they are saved. Although speaking in tongues is Biblical I have never heard of any new Christians doing so. The same article states other denominations hold the belief that this stopped a long time ago. This makes sense, but they lump together all Holy Spirit gifts, not just speaking in tongues. I don't believe it is all or nothing. What do you think?

Click to expand...

GingerBeer said:

I think that talking gibberish and pretending that God made you do it and that it is some kind og special prayer language or some kind of angelic language is just silly. Oh and I think that's what "speaking in tongues" means to most, but not all, evangelicals.

Click to expand...

Anto9us said:

That is not unheard of LaBella. Myself, I have only INTERPRETED once. I cannot do it "at will" like praying/singing in Tongues;nor have I been led to seek more of it.

The Holy Spirit cannot be "put in a box" and be made to conform to neat little rules. He's wild, ya know.

Click to expand...

ChristianForCats said:

While researching Protestant denominations, I learned this interesting bit of information: Most, but not all, evangelicals and Pentecostals believe people still receive gifts from the Holy Spirit - including speaking in tongues - when they are saved. Although speaking in tongues is Biblical I have never heard of any new Christians doing so. The same article states other denominations hold the belief that this stopped a long time ago. This makes sense, but they lump together all Holy Spirit gifts, not just speaking in tongues. I don't believe it is all or nothing. What do you think?

Click to expand...

• All of Gifts of the Spirit are available to every believer through the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
• The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a separate gift than salvation and is not required to be saved.
• The Gifts are given as the Spirit wills, but that does not mean some get one and others don't. It means they manifest as He wills (and He is most often willing). In other words, the timing and manner are more important than the who (there is a long biblical history of this). For instance, if you are in a position to pray healing for someone and it is God's kairos timing for that healing, He's not going to look at you and say, "Shoot, I didn't give them the healing gift. I guess I'm out of luck, no healing today!"
• Some will flow in certain gifts more often than others, but that is usually an extension of their calling.
• God would not tell us to earnestly desire a gift from Him that wasn't available, that goes against His very nature.
• There are 3 categories of 3 gifts (a trinity of trinities):
  • Gifts that REVEAL something
  • Gifts that SAY something
  • Gifts that DO something
• Gifts can (and most often do) work together with one another. Meaning multiple gifts in operation at the same time to accomplish God's will
• The gift of tongues is "different kinds of tongues" meaning there are different manifestations of the gift. I believe there are 4 major manifestations of the gift with even further distinctions within those 4 types:
  • Tongues for personal edification
  • Tongues for interpretation
  • Tongues as a sign to the unbeliever
  • Tongues for intercession
• The Gifts of the Spirit are not something only for the advanced or spiritually mature, they are the milk of the word. Arguing and quibbling about definitions of them is the milk, not the meat. In 1 Cor 3 Paul says that the Corinthians have not been able to take the meat of the word, only the milk, and that they still aren't ready for the meat. Which means that everything that follows is milk, including the Gifts.
• 1 Cor 12 defines the Gifts
• 1 Cor 13 defines the proper motivation for the Gifts (love). It was not written in context of weddings (although it still applies to them) it was written in context of the Gifts. Without a motivation of love, healing, miracles, prophecy, tongues are just a resounding gong.
• 1 Cor 14 defines the proper order for the Gifts. Specifically that each local assembly can establish their own unique order, and that's ok, as long as platform is given for the Spirit to move (the order is for man, not for the Spirit)
• If you read this far, good for you! If you have cake, eat some.

Anto9us said:

Overlooked by many is that are "diverse kinds of Tongues". Paul writes hypothetically about "although I speak with the tongues of MEN and of ANGELS" and some say that there are no angelic tongues, that all tongues are human languages unknow to the speaker. The thing is -- Acts 2 does not exhaust all the diverse kinds of tongues, and Paul writing hypothetically does not preclude the possibility that he COULD have spoken in angelic language (he said "I speak in Tongues more than ye all")

Yes, God understands them all. Can Satan counterfeit the gift? Sure. Do people counterfeit money? Yes. Does that mean throw away all your currency because it can be counterfeited? Of course not.

The "prayer language" of a Christian speaking to God need not be interpreted, an utterance IN THE CHURCH in Tongues as a message to the body requires an interpretation, iow, an utterance to the body needs interpretation into the language of the assembly.

Some do not understand this concept of DIVERSE KINDS OF TONGUES and when they make declarations about "this can and cannot happen anymore" they are like "blind men describing the elephant" in that they touched one part of the elephant and concluded that that was all the elephant was. Charismatics have SEEN THE ELEPHANT.

Click to expand...

topher694 said:

I have taught 12 week courses and written a 70 page manual on the Holy Spirit and the Gifts of the Spirit, with an entire section (1/3rd) on tongues. To do so I've done a tremendous amount of studying on the topic. Clearly I can't relay all of that here, but here are a few highlights:

• All of Gifts of the Spirit are available to every believer through the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
• The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a separate gift than salvation and is not required to be saved.
• The Gifts are given as the Spirit wills, but that does not mean some get one and others don't. It means they manifest as He wills (and He is most often willing). In other words, the timing and manner are more important than the who (there is a long biblical history of this). For instance, if you are in a position to pray healing for someone and it is God's kairos timing for that healing, He's not going to look at you and say, "Shoot, I didn't give them the healing gift. I guess I'm out of luck, no healing today!"
• Some will flow in certain gifts more often than others, but that is usually an extension of their calling.
• God would not tell us to earnestly desire a gift from Him that wasn't available, that goes against His very nature.
• There are 3 categories of 3 gifts (a trinity of trinities):
  • Gifts that REVEAL something
  • Gifts that SAY something
  • Gifts that DO something
• Gifts can (and most often do) work together with one another. Meaning multiple gifts in operation at the same time to accomplish God's will
• The gift of tongues is "different kinds of tongues" meaning there are different manifestations of the gift. I believe there are 4 major manifestations of the gift with even further distinctions within those 4 types:
  • Tongues for personal edification
  • Tongues for interpretation
  • Tongues as a sign to the unbeliever
  • Tongues for intercession
• The Gifts of the Spirit are not something only for the advanced or spiritually mature, they are the milk of the word. Arguing and quibbling about definitions of them is the milk, not the meat. In 1 Cor 3 Paul says that the Corinthians have not been able to take the meat of the word, only the milk, and that they still aren't ready for the meat. Which means that everything that follows is milk, including the Gifts.
• 1 Cor 12 defines the Gifts
• 1 Cor 13 defines the proper motivation for the Gifts (love). It was not written in context of weddings (although it still applies to them) it was written in context of the Gifts. Without a motivation of love, healing, miracles, prophecy, tongues are just a resounding gong.
• 1 Cor 14 defines the proper order for the Gifts. Specifically that each local assembly can establish their own unique order, and that's ok, as long as platform is given for the Spirit to move (the order is for man, not for the Spirit)
• If you read this far, good for you! If you have cake, eat some.

Click to expand...

ChristianForCats said:

Have you heard of any uncharismatics saying it is?

Click to expand...