Was 'Christ died for our sins' preached to the unsaved?

OzSpen · Apr 7, 2019

Hammster said:
Why do you think they were pagan at the time? Nothing indicates it. It just says that he preached the gospel to them. Any decent preacher does this every week. I’m planning on hearing the gospel preached today.

There’s no reason to assume that they were pagan.

Hammster,

Have you not read all of 1 & 2 Corinthians and discerned that Paul had to address the issue of idolatry in these letters, especially in 1 Cor as they were saved from an idolatrous background?

There was a smallish community of Jews in Corinth, but most were Gentiles (1 Cor 1). Some non-believing Corinthians were idolaters (1 Cor 8; 1 Cor 10).

Corinth in the first century was steeped in the paganism of the mystery religions. See: Paganism and the Christians at Corinth – The Mystery Religions ...

I do not hear the Gospel preached every Sunday at my church. My pastor is a faithful biblical expositor. He preaches what is in the text as he works his way through a book of the Bible. If the Gospel content is not in that section of Scripture, he doesn't suppose it should be there. He is a faithful exegete of the Scripture and that leads to a sound exposition to put it in the language of the people.

Oz

Hammster · Apr 8, 2019

OzSpen said:
Which question?

I’m not playing.

Hammster · Apr 8, 2019

OzSpen said:
I do not hear the Gospel preached every Sunday at my church.

I’m honestly sad about that, since it’s all the gospel.

OzSpen · Apr 8, 2019

Hammster said:
I’m honestly sad about that, since it’s all the gospel.

The church gathering is for believers to be edified (see 1 Cor 14:19, 26). Nowhere in Scripture do I find it stated that the church gathering is for the proclamation of the Gospel.

What is 'all the gospel'? When my pastor preaches through Ecclesiastes, as he has just finished doing? :scratch:

OzSpen · Apr 8, 2019

Hammster said:
I’m not playing.

Neither am I. I'm asking an honest question. To which question were you referring?

Hammster · Apr 8, 2019

OzSpen said:
Neither am I. I'm asking an honest question. To which question were you referring?

My mistake and apologies.

Here is my statement.

“You missed what was said. In all the evangelical messages recorded in scripture, they never said Christ died for all.”

In the recorded sermons, from Jesus or the Apostles, they never said Christ died for all.

Hammster · Apr 8, 2019

OzSpen said:
The church gathering is for believers to be edified (see 1 Cor 14:19, 26). Nowhere in Scripture do I find it stated that the church gathering is for the proclamation of the Gospel.

What is 'all the gospel'? When my pastor preaches through Ecclesiastes, as he has just finished doing?

25 And he said to them, "O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!
26 Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?"
27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself. - Luke 24:25-27

It’s all about Him. It’s all gospel.

OzSpen · Apr 9, 2019

Hammster said:
My mistake and apologies.

Here is my statement.

“You missed what was said. In all the evangelical messages recorded in scripture, they never said Christ died for all.”

In the recorded sermons, from Jesus or the Apostles, they never said Christ died for all.

Hammster,

That's reductionism. You've restricted where in Scripture the Gospel for 'all the world' has to be preached.

The fact remains, that the Scriptures teach that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, e.g. 1 Timothy 2:6; 4:10; Hebrews 2:9; 1 John 2:2.

Oz

OzSpen · Apr 9, 2019

Hammster said:
25 And he said to them, "O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!
26 Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?"
27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself. - Luke 24:25-27

It’s all about Him. It’s all gospel.

Hammster,

Verse 27 does NOT say: 'And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them that every verse of the Scriptures of the OT concerned himself'. - Luke 24:25-27

The facts are that there are many doctrines taught in the OT Scriptures. Not all of them are prophetic concerning Christ's coming and sacrifice.

Try getting the message of the Gospel out of Israel's slaughter of the Hittites (Deuteronomy 7:1; Deuteronomy 20:17; Joshua 3:10) or Genesis 1:27.

Oz

Hammster · Apr 9, 2019

OzSpen said:
Hammster,

That's reductionism. You've restricted where in Scripture the Gospel for 'all the world' has to be preached.

The fact remains, that the Scriptures teach that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, e.g. 1 Timothy 2:6; 4:10; Hebrews 2:9; 1 John 2:2.

Oz

Call it what you want. But it’s true. Taking verses out of context like you do doesn’t change that.

Hammster · Apr 9, 2019

OzSpen said:
Hammster,

Verse 27 does NOT say: 'And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them that every verse of the Scriptures of the OT concerned himself'. - Luke 24:25-27

The facts are that there are many doctrines taught in the OT Scriptures. Not all of them are prophetic concerning Christ's coming and sacrifice.

Try getting the message of the Gospel out of Israel's slaughter of the Hittites (Deuteronomy 7:1; Deuteronomy 20:17; Joshua 3:10) or Genesis 1:27.

Oz

I never said they were prophetic.

Let me give some examples. David and Goliath isn’t about fighting the giants in you life with God’s help. It’s a picture of Christ fighting for us (with us being the scared Israelites).

Or, Thou shalt not murder. Why? Because He is the life.

In Psalm 1, the blessed man is Christ.

The gospel is everything. It’s why Paul said that he determined to know nothing but Christ and Him crucified.

OzSpen · Apr 9, 2019

Hammster said:
Call it what you want. But it’s true. Taking verses out of context like you do doesn’t change that.

Which verses have I taken out of context? Please name them!

OzSpen · Apr 9, 2019

Hammster said:
I never said they were prophetic.

Let me give some examples. David and Goliath isn’t about fighting the giants in you life with God’s help. It’s a picture of Christ fighting for us (with us being the scared Israelites).

Or, Thou shalt not murder. Why? Because He is the life.

In Psalm 1, the blessed man is Christ.

The gospel is everything. It’s why Paul said that he determined to know nothing but Christ and Him crucified.

You stated: 'It’s all about Him. It’s all gospel'.

All of the OT and all of the NT are not all about Jesus and the gospel. A cursory examination of the whole Bible makes that overtly obvious.

Hammster · Apr 9, 2019

OzSpen said:
Which verses have I taken out of context? Please name them!

The ones you posted.

Hammster · Apr 9, 2019

OzSpen said:
You stated: 'It’s all about Him. It’s all gospel'.

All of the OT and all of the NT are not all about Jesus and the gospel. A cursory examination of the whole Bible makes that overtly obvious.

Well, you are missing out then.

OzSpen · Apr 9, 2019

Hammster said:
The ones you posted.

Which ones?

OzSpen · Apr 9, 2019

Hammster said:
Well, you are missing out then.

No sir! Blind Freddie could see that ALL of the Bible is NOT about Jesus when there are many places where there is no statement or inference about him.

Yours is a beat up story, Hammster.

Hammster · Apr 9, 2019

OzSpen said:
Which ones?

Was 'Christ died for our sins' preached to the unsaved?

Hammster · Apr 9, 2019

OzSpen said:
No sir! Blind Freddie could see that ALL of the Bible is NOT about Jesus when there are many places where there is no statement or inference about him.

Yours is a beat up story, Hammster.

You are missing out.

OzSpen · Apr 10, 2019

Hammster said:
Was 'Christ died for our sins' preached to the unsaved?

You're still not answering my questions. You turn it to what you want to talk about. I'm not going there.

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