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No offense take at all, though you did say that, I've no doubt about it.



What? I'd love to see it, where did you get the idea I do not?? And if you are not taking about healing you are confusing the issue because that's what this is about...are they healing or are thy not, nothing more.

You better doubt a bit because i actually think i myself is lacking in faith with a lot of things, so i didn't try to make it sound like i personally have faith and you don't.
 
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You believe there is no one that prayed and someone else got healed today? i think this is not so rare to have happened, in this case a person wants to pray to God to heal someone, and he sets some weird condition or whatever, but basically he believes the person would be healed, this kind of thing happens today, if not instant then after some time, one proof is that God have not changed his mind about healing, why he would have?

Again, you are confusing the issue. If you want to disagree with me, try to stay focused on what I'm expecting,

Let me make this more simple, nothing matters to me right now but to see the proof the bible says I have every good reason to expect. Nothing but that will appease me/others. All the talk, claims, philosophies, trying to talk me out of my reasonable request, or this and that's, are the proof I'm asking for, only proof is proof, nothing else. :)
 
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You better doubt a bit because i actually think i myself is lacking in faith with a lot of things, so i didn't try to make it sound like i personally have faith and you don't.

Believe me, I'm not offended, I know you aren't trying to paint yourself better than me, and I have a very thick skin. :)
 
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Again, you are confusing the issue. If you want to disagree with me, try to stay focused on what I'm expecting,

Let me make this more simple, nothing matters to me right now but to see the proof the bible says I have every good reason to expect. Nothing but that will appease me/others. All the talk, claims, philosophies, trying to talk me out of my reasonable request, or this and that's, are the proof I'm asking for, only proof is proof, nothing else. :)

If you want to see proof that this man got healed, that is perfectly fine, i don't even know why i'm discussing, i thought you didn't believe God heals today or something like some cessationists.
 
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, i don't even know why i'm discussing, i thought you didn't believe God heals today or something like some cessationists.

I understand, that's why I made it clear.

You reasonably can doubt that for reasons, but you should hope he gets healed right?

Of course.
 
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Ok, so i don't think i understood very well, so why you want proof exactly? you believe this things happen today? if you want proof to believe a prayer can heal then is obvious God teaches that he can answer our prayers, more when we have a need.

You asked that already and I answered already, please go back to where you asked the first time and see my reply, I was very consist/clear, and left nothing out that i know of.
 
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Healing all diseases is in the list of all God's benefits.
If he forgave all your sins, he also healed all your diseases.
Did he forgive all your sins?

Psalm 103:1-5
Praise the Lord, my soul;
all my inmost being, praise his holy name.
2 Praise the Lord, my soul,
and forget not all his benefits
3 who forgives all your sins
and heals all your diseases,
4 who redeems your life from the pit
and crowns you with love and compassion,
5 who satisfies your desires with good things
so that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s.
 
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Ain't that the truth. We can make anything seem real if we try hard enough.
Agreed, To Receive you must believe. For one must first believe that He is and that he rewards those that diligently seek him....

Show me were that is biblical, please, because I think you're making things up now. Or will the request for proof that is biblical end up one of those conveniently unanswered questions? ;)

There was a prophet who once conducted a test with a prophet of a false God......the water log test. Both asking their God to bring fire to lite the logs.

Do you have an example from the bible in which two believers disagree about the abilities of the same one God?
 
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The healing is already paid for. We are just waiting for the manifestation to arrive.

Still not sure what that means, would any one else care to help me out here, Stephen? I should also mention Jesus answered the questions asked of him, he was never afraid to because he always dealt with truth, and truth always prevails. And he was not concerned his answer would be anything other than the truth.

We should all be so confident, don't you think?
 
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Agreed, To Receive you must believe. For one must first believe that He is and that he rewards those that diligently seek him....

You missed my point completely, or do you also believe in a Flat Earth?

Do you have an example from the bible in which two believers disagree about the abilities of the same one God?

Why do you ask? Did I claim to?
 
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That's interesting. And you should heed both parts of that prophecy.
Wait for the green light go-ahead. Are you ready? (out of season, in season)
Green light = foot off the brake and on the accelerator. Go, man go!
I hope your vehicle isn't in the garage. Could get messy. lol
I am not a morning person, and there are people who say, "Good morning Lord!" I often say, "Good Lord, morning!" It is a bit hard to get the old car started, let alone get it out of the garage! Lol! :)
 
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Wow that would be a challenge and disheartening:( i'm so sorry!
I have done some crazy and sometimes sinful things in my time, but I never got told off by the Lord like that time!
 
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I never 'manifested' and the pastors i knew never prayed or delivered me of any of the hundrerds of spiritual problems i had, i was quite loaded with them, until God started showing them to me and i began to drive them off, i'm still in the process of being free i say, thanks God. Maybe you need to have the discerment of spirit gift to 'see' them, i don't think i have that, i just seem to be able to discern them with the help of God only in me.
It is great that you are resisting the demonic influences. The assistance of good sound Christian brothers who are experienced in spiritual warfare will be of great help to you.
 
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It is great that you are resisting the demonic influences. The assistance of good sound Christian brothers who are experienced in spiritual warfare will be of great help to you.

I wish i had help years ago, now if i get help then good but if not, all God showed me about spiritual warfare is showing the problems to me and me casting them out, very simple like that, but it didn't work earlier when i tried, just some months back it seems something happened and God is allowing me to do this now.
 
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Jesus paid for our healing/deliverance on the cross. Done deal.

Matthew 8:16-17
When evening came, many who were demon-possessed were brought to him, and he drove out the spirits with a word and healed all the sick. 17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah:
“He took up our infirmities
and bore our diseases.”

Isaiah 53:4-5
Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted
.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.

1 Peter 2:24
“He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.”
 
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Healing all diseases is in the list of all God's benefits.
If he forgave all your sins, he also healed all your diseases.
Did he forgive all your sins?

Psalm 103:1-5
Praise the Lord, my soul;
all my inmost being, praise his holy name.
2 Praise the Lord, my soul,
and forget not all his benefits—
3 who forgives all your sins
and heals all your diseases,
4 who redeems your life from the pit
and crowns you with love and compassion,
5 who satisfies your desires with good things
so that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s.


Since all our sins must be forgiven in order for us to get to Heaven, you all do understand that Steven is saying that anyone who has disease, has not been forgiven their sins, thus they are Hell bound? Right?

Sorry but after reading some of the posts that twist scripture into essentially saying "If you don't believe what I claim but cannot prove, you are hell bound" I see they, IMO, go way beyond the limits of truth. It's simply not biblical, just as many of those other posts designed to do the same thing, make the reader either believe the unproven/"me" or be lost.

Many of you see through that, so I only point it out for any newbs/others out there that might believe such untrue, self serving, and dangerous posts. Dangerous as in, What about the people who have disease, and are saved, and they actually believe you, and completely lose hope, because they think you have brought them to the realization they aren't saved, when they did all they were supposed to to get saved (and truly were saved) so now they have no idea what to do?

Maybe Steve needs to explain to them what beyond believing in the biblical salvation plan they need to do in order to get saved, get their healing and escape the flames of Hell that he has now judged them to before one of them gives it all up, and worse case scenario, commits the final plunge.

That's just one example of what could happen with such reckless posts.

I already know his word is God in his mind, the reason I cut directly to the chase there, and bypassed trying to reason. When one gets so high upon their pedestal they won't even tolerate the questioning/debate with those less than them, like Jesus absolutely would do, what's the use? But all posts are there for everyone to see, so I shouldn't have to defend a thing.

Some of you wonder why I worry about those who get caught up in delusions in general, delusions of grandeur (Seriousely? Who refers to themselves as "Saint"?), and such, and why I say it just isn't healthy?
 
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Jesus paid for our healing/deliverance on the cross. Done deal.

Matthew 8:16-17
When evening came, many who were demon-possessed were brought to him, and he drove out the spirits with a word and healed all the sick. 17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah:
“He took up our infirmities
and bore our diseases.”

Isaiah 53:4-5
Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.


Are you saying that we are automatically heal and delivered from demons upon salvation?
 
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I wish i had help years ago, now if i get help then good but if not, all God showed me about spiritual warfare is showing the problems to me and me casting them out, very simple like that, but it didn't work earlier when i tried, just some months back it seems something happened and God is allowing me to do this now.
If you have a good Christian comprehensive second-hand bookshop near you, that would be a great resource for you to get and read all the available authors on spiritual warfare from the 1970s onwards. That's what I did, and it was like getting a Bible College training in it. I would buy $100 worth of books at a time, and paid them off fornightly by internet banking. Once I paid that lot off, I went and bought another $100 worth. I think I ended up one of the guy's best customers! He did a great service, because when he got a book in that he thought I might be interested in, he emailed me, and often I would order them and have them couriered to me.

It's a pity you don't live in my city, because I have just cleaned out my bookcases, in preparation to moving house and given away three large cartons of books, including a wide range of books dealing with spiritual warfare.

Out of all the books that were most useful to me, and the ones I have kept, are: The Handbook for Spiritual Warfare, by Dr Ed Murphy; and The Bondage Breaker, by Neil Anderson. Actually any books by Neil Anderson are very helpful and I have not given those away.
 
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