How far into Revelation are we now?

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I didn't say it is HER REMNANT......I said as per the scripture, it's the REMNANT of HER SEED which is Jesus Christ. Meaning that they were the Remnant Church OF Jesus Christ, not of Israel, but of Israel's PROMISED SEED. Wouldn't you say the CHURCH is of Christ ? So the Remnant Church on earth whilst the Raptured Church is in Heaven would be of HER SEED Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. 15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

The PROMISED SEED was Jesus, he was the SEED of Israel.

Rev. 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman {Israel or the 1/3 who REPENT}, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed{Jesus' Church are IN Heaven, those who REPENTED after the Rapture are ON EARTH as he Remnant Church of Jesus Christ}, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Hello, thank you for being patient,...now I have this picture of where you're coming from in terms of your belief..
These are the points I have gather from our discussion.

(1) Church (body of Christ) includes both Israel/Jews and Gentiles. There is only ONE BODY therefore One Church

(2) Remnant in Rev12:17-refers only to Gentiles church here on earth who repented after the Rapture.

(3)The other part of the church is in heaven (probably Gentiles church or both)- at the RAPTURE..

(4) The other part of the church is the 1/3 Jews/Israel also here on earth which the dragon cannot harm them. God protects them..

The reason why I used the word part referring to the churches is because they are at different places (1 in heaven and 2 here on earth)

So, Question 1: Are any of the dead who are in Christ part of ther Rapture or just the one who are living when this event happens?
Question 2: Since the Rapture involves people (Gentiles church) who are alive then therefore their bodies must be changed to immortal or heavenly body! Therefore we can say that only part of the body of Christ puts on immortality the other parts (1/3 Israel/Jews and remnant church) still on earthly bodies..Hebrew 11:40 "since God had planned something better for us so that Only TOGETHER with Us would they made perfect"
(3) could you provide scriptures that distinguish the Rapture from the second coming?

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A political leader..........NOT THE SON OF GOD !!

And the FALLING AWAY is THE RAPTURE.
Anit-messiah - the King of Israel. You have been saying to me the Antichrist will never be the King of Israel.

I have given you all the roles the person goes through. The title of the video is even the role of the messiah.

little horn role - leader of the EU - king* of the Roman Empire end times
prince who shall come role - transitional role to becoming the king of Israel
Anti-messiah role - king of Israel
revealed man of sin role - transitional role from being the AC to becoming the beast
beast role - king** of the Roman Empire end times.

*king 7 of the 7 kings of Revelation 17:10
**king 8 the beast of Revelation 17:11
 
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Anit-messiah - the King of Israel. You have been saying to me the Antichrist will never be the King of Israel.
Saying what the Jews see the Messiah as....................is not agreeing with you that Israel will accept the Anti-Christ as their King. I mean they would have to be real dumb to accept a Gentile as their Political Leader/Savior when they know he's supposed to be a Jew, your thesis just is not a remote possibility brother. But you got it in your mind and you can't shed yourself of this reasoning. Remember, it's not about us, it's about God/Jesus/Truth.

I SMH, at anything that suggests the Jews will accept a Gentile as their Messianic King, it just makes ZERO SENSE brother. He has to be a Jew, the Pharisees knew this, today's Jews KNOW THIS!!

Now it made sense in 70 AD because who was Jesus talking to ? Scribes, Pharisees etc., in 30ish AD, who would try to find the Messianic Political Leader in the years just before 70 AD to save them from what they saw {correctly} as the Fourth Beast/Rome, thus John 5:43 was fulfilled at that time, Jesus was speaking to actual people about an actual coming event that would happen in their lives. PROPHECY FULFILLED.
 
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Uh, but Scripture says that they are not able to buy or sell without this mark (See Revelation 13:17).
So yeah, this has not happened yet.
The enforcement of the Mark by the Antichrist lines up with the 4th seal (Which is death) because many are going to die for not taking the mark. This is clearly something that is yet future. There is no event now or in history that reads like The major breaking of the seals in Revelation.

EVENTUALLY the Mark will be enforced by restricting buying and selling, but just because it's not being enforced yet does not mean it's not already out. The Mark is already being taken on people's right hand. I've seen it myself and the person was full of Satan. Their eyes turned entirely black. And seals 1-4 are the 4-colored horseman. These same 4 colored chariots are mentioned in Zechariah 6:1. If you read the direction each spirit goes out from the bronze mountains, and you know what each of the 4 brings, then if you know world history, you can see that the 4 spirits have already been released over each of the 4 corners of the earth (N,S,E,W). For example, the white rider goes West and is bent on conquering. The Western world (US, Great Britain, EU, etc) are the the leading Colonizing countries with the Greatest militaries. England had conquered 1/3 the world at one point. France with Napolean, etc. Another example is the Red rider which goes East. Now the middle east is where peace is most lacking. Another example of how the 4 spirits of Heaven (aka the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse) have already been released.
 
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Firstly, the Old Testament is used as a big CODE BOOK in the book of Revelation. The Woman of Rev. 12 is seen in Genesis 37:9 as Israel because of the clues, the Sun, Moon and 11 Stars of Genesis equals the Sun, Mon and 12 stars....Genesis was Joseph the 12th Sta dreaming about his Family.

The Two Olive trees comes out of the Old Testament, look at Rev. 17, then look at Daniel 5 and you will see where the Harlot FALLS story comes from. The Handwriting on the wall cam because God judged them, they drank from the Holy Cups of Gods Temples, UNTO THEIR FALSE GODS !!

So the imagery doesn't have to be the same story line. The Four Horses IMAGERY was taken so it could be understood these were JUDGMENTS of God !! The Anti-Christ being RELEASED is of course a Judgment on Mankind.


You are going about It all wrong brother. We seek the truth, so don't get discouraged, God will lead us into all truth, which means He has to take our ideas, and show us his ideas. Its a good thing to get reproved by God, lord knows I have been for 30 years. Those who can't be reproved, can't learn. God Bless.

Everything is DESIGNED around the First Seal being opened, the Middle of the week.

How do you know the 1st seal is broken in the middle of the week and not before?
 
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EVENTUALLY the Mark will be enforced by restricting buying and selling, but just because it's not being enforced yet does not mean it's not already out. The Mark is already being taken on people's right hand. I've seen it myself and the person was full of Satan. Their eyes turned entirely black. And seals 1-4 are the 4-colored horseman. These same 4 colored chariots are mentioned in Zechariah 6:1. If you read the direction each spirit goes out from the bronze mountains, and you know what each of the 4 brings, then if you know world history, you can see that the 4 spirits have already been released over each of the 4 corners of the earth (N,S,E,W). For example, the white rider goes West and is bent on conquering. The Western world (US, Great Britain, EU, etc) are the the leading Colonizing countries with the Greatest militaries. England had conquered 1/3 the world at one point. France with Napolean, etc. Another example is the Red rider which goes East. Now the middle east is where peace is most lacking. Another example of how the 4 spirits of Heaven (aka the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse) have already been released.

Again, doesn’t change what the Bible says. You cannot buy or sell without the mark. This has not happened yet.
 
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Again, doesn’t change what the Bible says. You cannot buy or sell without the mark. This has not happened yet.

Do you know what the Mark is? If you don't know what the Mark is, you cannot know if it's being taken yet.
 
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Hello, thank you for being patient,...now I have this picture of where you're coming from in terms of your belief..
These are the points I have gather from our discussion.

(1) Church (body of Christ) includes both Israel/Jews and Gentiles. There is only ONE BODY therefore One Church
As per the body of Christ yes, there is ONE BODY, Jews ad Gentiles.

(2) Remnant in Rev12:17-refers only to Gentiles church here on earth who repented after the Rapture.
CORRECT !!

(3)The other part of the church is in heaven (probably Gentiles church or both)- at the RAPTURE..
Both Jews and Gentiles are in Heaven waiting to be married unto the Lamb.

(4) The other part of the church is the 1/3 Jews/Israel also here on earth which the dragon cannot harm them. God protects them..

These Jews accept Christ as their Messiah, but remember, God married then way back, so since the Rapture was about the Jews and Gentiles in Christ going to be with the Lord in Heaven, these Jews who repented after the Rapture will stay on earth as THE WHEAT who continue with the TARES until Jesus returns, thus I see these as the Bride of God, He gave them a bill of divorcement because of their sins, He told of a 70 Week Judgment against Israel, thus once she has REPENTED, God becomes her Husband again !! So the 1/3 will be the Bride of God along with the Saints of old like Daniel, Abraham etc. erc. etc., Jesus {man in linen Dan. 12}told Daniel he would be raised up and stand in his lot at the VERY END !! Remember, Jacob had 2 Brides, Leah and Rachel, one was forced on him, one was desired !!

So, Question 1: Are any of the dead who are in Christ part of ther Rapture or just the one who are living when this event happens?
All of the Dead IN CHRIST are raised at the Rapture, along with those Christians in Christ who are still alive when Jesus calls them home. The Saints of Old {Jewish Saints} wll be raised up when Jesus Returns to Save the Jews on Mt. Zion.

Question 2: Since the Rapture involves people (Gentiles church) who are alive then therefore their bodies must be changed to immortal or heavenly body! Therefore we can say that only part of the body of Christ puts on immortality the other parts (1/3 Israel/Jews and remnant church) still on earthly bodies..Hebrew 11:40 "since God had planned something better for us so that Only TOGETHER with Us would they made perfect"

Good question, really !! Excellent.

Those dead and alive in Christ will shed our FLESH BODY when he calls us home, our flesh can not enter Heaven, we will go to Heaven as Spirit men, then receive our Glorious bodies and White Robes which is probably one and the same thing. Those who die during the Tribulation will be raised up and Judged in Revelation 20:4, they are said to have not given in to the temptation to serve the BEAST !! So they laid down their lives instead, THESE.....ONLY THESE......Will live and reign on earth {with Glorious bodies} with Jesus Christ for 1000 years. I assume the rest of us go to the New Jerusalem ad help to get it ready to descend in 1000 years, thus it is called the Bride as it descends.

All those who lived through the Tribulation, including the 1/3 of the Jews will still have mortal flesh bodies and SIN NATURE, but they will not SIN WILFULLY because the tempter will be locked in the bottomless pit, in other words there will be sins of omission, but people will not wilfully go to a inappropriate content shop, or be a drunkard on purpose etc. etc. Men will live as they did for the previous 6000 years, but there will be no Murders, no Rape, no Hate, no Wars etc. etc. and this will do what ? It will testify to Satan's GUILT !! Without him on earth, mankind lived in peace inder Christ, with him at the helm mankind were barbarians to each other.

(3) could you provide scriptures that distinguish the Rapture from the second coming?

The rapture and the second coming of Christ – What's the difference?

Those who hold to the view of a rapture that is separate from the second coming of Christ emphasize the many apparent differences listed between these two events. Those who believe both events refer to one return of Christ attempt to reconcile their differences to prove Jesus will only return one time at the end of the tribulation period. A look at the key differences helps to clarify these concerns.

At the rapture, believers will meet Christ in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17). At the second coming, believers return with the Lord to the earth (Revelation 19:14).

A second difference is that the rapture is an any-moment event (1 Thessalonians 5:2). The second coming will clearly take place at the end of a seven year tribulation (Revelation 19).

A third difference is that believers will be removed from the earth in the rapture before it is judged (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17; 5:9). At the second coming, unbelievers will experience judgment (Matthew 24:40-41).

A fourth difference is that the rapture will be instant and secret (1 Corinthians 15:50-55). The second coming will be visible to all (Matthew 24:29-31).

A fifth difference is that the rapture can take place at any moment (1 Corinthians 15:50-55). The second coming will take place after many other clear end-time events (Revelation 6—19).

These differences are of great importance. If the rapture can take place at any moment, then believers are urged to live holy lives with a sense of urgency to share Christ with other people.

In addition, an any-moment rapture shows that God will rescue His people prior to His judgments upon the earth. This perspective resembles the pattern of God rescuing Noah and his family in the ark prior to His judgment of the earth by a flood.

Another argument to support a pre tribulation rapture is that the tribulation period described in Revelation 6—19 does not once mention the church. The most likely explanation for this omission is that believers have already been rescued from this time of judgment through the rapture.

Both events are important, yet distinct events. When Christ returns at the rapture, He will come in the air to take His people to be with Him. When He comes at the second coming, He will return in judgment and defeat the Antichrist and those with him.
 
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Revelation is a book that is generally chronological. It includes events spanning from at least the time of John thru the end of time and is written chapter by chapter in order of time, other than a few sections. Therefore, we must currently be some point in the middle of the book. Knowing that there are 7 seals, and the 7th seal unleashes the 7 trumpets, and the 7th trumpet unleashes the 7 bowls of wrath, this is my question up for discussion:

Where are we chronologically in the book of Revelation? For example, which seals have been opened, or which chapters and verses do you believe we are up to in God's timeline? What has been fulfilled, and what is still to come?

I'll start with my personal believe that at least the 1st seal has been opened, but not the 7th. This comes from an open vision I had of the Army of white horses and riders I saw in the clouds moving from East to West. But what do you think?
I don't believe "where are we" would even register in the book of Revelations. I think the ground work is still being laid.
 
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Do you know what the Mark is? If you don't know what the Mark is, you cannot know if it's being taken yet.

It is described here in Revelation. Yet, this following text has not happened!

“And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.” (Revelation 13:15-18).
 
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How do you know the 1st seal is broken in the middle of the week and not before?
It's what I do, being a preacher of over 30 years and called specifically to Prophecy as my top priority. REMEMBER, everything fits around the numbers 1260, 42 months, Middle of the Week, a Time, times and half [time]. The Beast and Two-witnesses also are in their "offices" on earth for 1260 days. God does that on purpose, to juxtapose them against each other, we know the Two-witnesses die BEFORE the Beast dies at the 7th Vial. They die at the 2nd Woe, so common sense tells us they must also show up BEFORE the Beast becomes the Beast, and sure enough Malachi 4:5-6, tells us that Elijah is seNt back BEFORE the Day of the Lord !! The Day of the Lord is the day when God's Wrath starts, it's a 3.5 year event. It moght even be the 3.5 years PLUS the 1000 year reign.

Jesus in Rev. 19 is Jesus on a White Horse because the white horse stands for a conqueror. Likewise, the Anti-Christ is released to go forth conquering and to conquer on a "WHITE HORSE" and then War follows, followed by Famine and Death and the Grave. All four horses are indeed the Anti-Christ being released and his actions thereafter. Matthew 24:1-14 has NOTHING to do with the Tribulation. It does not match the Tribulation, it matches the 2000 year Church Age.

Dan. 9:27 speaks about the Anti-Christ reneging on his Agreements in the Middle of the Week. In Dan. 12:5-7 we are told that the Holy Peoples are Conquered and thus their power is taken away 1260 days before the Second Coming ENDS ALL OF THESE WONDERS !!

Everything in the book of Revelation is designed around a 1260 Event. Dan. 9 is the Little Horn reneging in the Middle of the week, Rev. 6 is the First Seal being opened by Jesus in the Middle of the week. Thus the Beast has 42 Months to rule. Rev. 12, 13, 17 and 18 all start via the First Seal being opened.
 
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As per the body of Christ yes, there is ONE BODY, Jews ad Gentiles.


CORRECT !!


Both Jews and Gentiles are in Heaven waiting to be married unto the Lamb.



These Jews accept Christ as their Messiah, but remember, God married then way back, so since the Rapture was about the Jews and Gentiles in Christ going to be with the Lord in Heaven, these Jews who repented after the Rapture will stay on earth as THE WHEAT who continue with the TARES until Jesus returns, thus I see these as the Bride of God, He gave them a bill of divorcement because of their sins, He told of a 70 Week Judgment against Israel, thus once she has REPENTED, God becomes her Husband again !! So the 1/3 will be the Bride of God along with the Saints of old like Daniel, Abraham etc. erc. etc., Jesus {man in linen Dan. 12}told Daniel he would be raised up and stand in his lot at the VERY END !! Remember, Jacob had 2 Brides, Leah and Rachel, one was forced on him, one was desired !!


All of the Dead IN CHRIST are raised at the Rapture, along with those Christians in Christ who are still alive when Jesus calls them home. The Saints of Old {Jewish Saints} wll be raised up when Jesus Returns to Save the Jews on Mt. Zion.



Good question, really !! Excellent.

Those dead and alive in Christ will shed our FLESH BODY when he calls us home, our flesh can not enter Heaven, we will go to Heaven as Spirit men, then receive our Glorious bodies and White Robes which is probably one and the same thing. Those who die during the Tribulation will be raised up and Judged in Revelation 20:4, they are said to have not given in to the temptation to serve the BEAST !! So they laid down their lives instead, THESE.....ONLY THESE......Will live and reign on earth {with Glorious bodies} with Jesus Christ for 1000 years. I assume the rest of us go to the New Jerusalem ad help to get it ready to descend in 1000 years, thus it is called the Bride as it descends.

All those who lived through the Tribulation, including the 1/3 of the Jews will still have mortal flesh bodies and SIN NATURE, but they will not SIN WILFULLY because the tempter will be locked in the bottomless pit, in other words there will be sins of omission, but people will not wilfully go to a inappropriate content shop, or be a drunkard on purpose etc. etc. Men will live as they did for the previous 6000 years, but there will be no Murders, no Rape, no Hate, no Wars etc. etc. and this will do what ? It will testify to Satan's GUILT !! Without him on earth, mankind lived in peace inder Christ, with him at the helm mankind were barbarians to each other.



The rapture and the second coming of Christ – What's the difference?

Those who hold to the view of a rapture that is separate from the second coming of Christ emphasize the many apparent differences listed between these two events. Those who believe both events refer to one return of Christ attempt to reconcile their differences to prove Jesus will only return one time at the end of the tribulation period. A look at the key differences helps to clarify these concerns.

At the rapture, believers will meet Christ in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17). At the second coming, believers return with the Lord to the earth (Revelation 19:14).

A second difference is that the rapture is an any-moment event (1 Thessalonians 5:2). The second coming will clearly take place at the end of a seven year tribulation (Revelation 19).

A third difference is that believers will be removed from the earth in the rapture before it is judged (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17; 5:9). At the second coming, unbelievers will experience judgment (Matthew 24:40-41).

A fourth difference is that the rapture will be instant and secret (1 Corinthians 15:50-55). The second coming will be visible to all (Matthew 24:29-31).

A fifth difference is that the rapture can take place at any moment (1 Corinthians 15:50-55). The second coming will take place after many other clear end-time events (Revelation 6—19).

These differences are of great importance. If the rapture can take place at any moment, then believers are urged to live holy lives with a sense of urgency to share Christ with other people.

In addition, an any-moment rapture shows that God will rescue His people prior to His judgments upon the earth. This perspective resembles the pattern of God rescuing Noah and his family in the ark prior to His judgment of the earth by a flood.

Another argument to support a pre tribulation rapture is that the tribulation period described in Revelation 6—19 does not once mention the church. The most likely explanation for this omission is that believers have already been rescued from this time of judgment through the rapture.

Both events are important, yet distinct events. When Christ returns at the rapture, He will come in the air to take His people to be with Him. When He comes at the second coming, He will return in judgment and defeat the Antichrist and those with him.
Hello thank you for taking the time to response to my questions. I will look at those scriptures...
 
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Saying what the Jews see the Messiah as....................is not agreeing with you that Israel will accept the Anti-Christ as their King. I mean they would have to be real dumb to accept a Gentile as their Political Leader/Savior when they know he's supposed to be a Jew, your thesis just is not a remote possibility brother. But you got it in your mind and you can't shed yourself of this reasoning. Remember, it's not about us, it's about God/Jesus/Truth.

I SMH, at anything that suggests the Jews will accept a Gentile as their Messianic King, it just makes ZERO SENSE brother. He has to be a Jew, the Pharisees knew this, today's Jews KNOW THIS!!

Now it made sense in 70 AD because who was Jesus talking to ? Scribes, Pharisees etc., in 30ish AD, who would try to find the Messianic Political Leader in the years just before 70 AD to save them from what they saw {correctly} as the Fourth Beast/Rome, thus John 5:43 was fulfilled at that time, Jesus was speaking to actual people about an actual coming event that would happen in their lives. PROPHECY FULFILLED.
The person will not be a gentile, but a Jew. To be the Anti-messiah, the person has to become the King of Israel.

The person will also be descended from the Julio-Claudian bloodline.
 
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The person will not be a gentile, but a Jew. To be the Anti-messiah, the person has to become the King of Israel.

The Messiah wasn't elected as the King of Israel so there is no requirement the AC be king either. The Antichrist merely opposes the Messiah by claiming to be the Messiah therefore he is anti and instead of at the same time. He will be king of the world not just one country.
 
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The Messiah wasn't elected as the King of Israel so there is no requirement the AC be king either. The Antichrist merely opposes the Messiah by claiming to be the Messiah therefore he is anti and instead of at the same time. He will be king of the world not just one country.
There is no "election" process. The messiah has to be anointed King of Israel by a known prophet (known prophet is what the Jews tell me) - like Saul, David, Solomon were. By Samuel (Saul, David), Nathan (Solomon).

The Jews are expecting Elijah to come right before the messianic age begins. The Jews believe in reincarnation - that is, a soul coming back in another body.

The person to anoint the AC person as King of Israel will be the false prophet, who will almost certainly claim to be Elijah.

It is also Judaism's belief that the person will have such influence to effectively be leader over the whole world.

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There is a lot of similarities between Simon bar Kosiba, and the coming Antichrist.

Simon bar Kosiba

Simon bar Kochba - name changed due to R. Akiva declaring him the messiah

Simon bar Koziba - name changed when he had R. Elazar killed for being a suspected spy.

It appears to me, in messianic fervor, the person did enough for R. Akiva to declare him the messiah, with support from other rabbi's. Then after a period of time, Simon bar Kochba went bad, betraying the rabbi's who supported him. For which he became known as bar Koziba - meaning the son of a lie.

Something similar will happen following Gog/Magog - messiah fervor run wild. It is easy to envision how that could happen.
 
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You know what I mean. The real Messiah wasn't king of Israel so no reason why the AC would be.

The Jews are expecting Elijah to come right before the messianic age begins. The Jews believe in reincarnation - that is, a soul coming back in another body.

The person to anoint the AC person as King of Israel will be the false prophet, who will almost certainly claim to be Elijah.

It is also Judaism's belief that the person will have such influence to effectively be leader over the whole world.

Judaism has a bad track record regarding what they believe is correct so referencing what they believe is pointless. We need to stick to what scripture says will happen.
 
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Judaism has a bad track record regarding what they believe is correct so referencing what they believe is pointless. We need to stick to what scripture says will happen.
I am agreeing with you their track record is not that great. Understanding and knowing what they believe though does reveal how they will be fooled into thinking the AC person is their messiah. Plus an individual called the false prophet is in the bible - to perform the anointing of the person, as King of Israel.
 
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You know what I mean. The real Messiah wasn't king of Israel so no reason why the AC would be.
That's the whole point - the real messiah, the one God chose to be their messiah, the one coming in the name of the Lord - they rejected. But will receive another, not chosen by God to be their messiah, King of Israel.
 
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Jonathan Mathews said:
EVENTUALLY the Mark will be enforced by restricting buying and selling, but just because it's not being enforced yet does not mean it's not already out. The Mark is already being taken on people's right hand. I've seen it myself and the person was full of Satan. Their eyes turned entirely black.
Again, doesn’t change what the Bible says. You cannot buy or sell without the mark. This has not happened yet.
It could have been happening in Israel and Jerusalem/Judea in the 1st century.

This is from my own studies......

Note the cleansing of the Temple by Jesus using a whip against those selling merchandise in the Temple:.

John 2:

14 and He found in the Temple those selling oxen and sheep and doves, and the money-changers sitting, [Revelation 18:11]
15 and having made a whip of small cords, He put all forth out of the t\Temple, also the sheep, and the oxen; and of the money-changers he poured out the coins, and the tables he overthrew,
[Nahum 3:2/Reve 18:11-13]

Jesus showing the hypocritical Judean rulers a denarius with the image of Caesar:

Matthew 22
18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness and said, "why make ye trial of Me, ye hypocrites?
19 Show me the tribute money". And they brought unto Him a denarius.
20 And He saith unto them, "whose is this image<1504> and superscription?"
21They say unto Him, "Caesar's".............

Now look at Revelation concerning the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in 70ad.

Who uses the denari today?And why did Jesus mention it in Revelation?
However the Romans, and Caesar Nero used it.

Revelation 6:6 And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "measure of grain/wheat a denari and three measure of barleys a denari, and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring"."

Merchants, beasts and sheep are also mentioned, just as in John 2:14!
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Revelation 18:11
And the merchants of the land are lamenting and are mourning over Her,
that the cargo of them no-one is buying not-still 13 and cinnamon and incenses and attars and frankincense and wine and oil and flour and grain and beasts and sheep and of horses and of chariots and of bodies and souls of men.

John 2:
14 and He found in the Temple those selling oxen and sheep and doves, and the money-changers sitting,

..........................
 
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