Who Here Believes Born Again Christians...

@Hammster Could we please get this moved to GT?

It depends on what you mean by following the whole Bible.

Isaiah 55:11 guarantees how God's word shall do all which God desires. So, this is included in the guarantee of being saved. This includes how our Father succeeds in correcting us in our character > Hebrews 12:4-11.

Note verse eight, here > correction is guaranteed to a child of God. And this correction in us changes us so we do all which God's word means to Him.

But how you or I might understand things can be wrong and not what is required.

Not me...

The fear of Him within is prevents such outcomes and seals our salvation.

Jer 31:31f

Jer 32:39f

Blessings,

Carl Emerson.

Anyone who believes that Jesus Christ is Lord and saviour over your sins and he died on the cross for your sins so that you may live is born again. No ifs, ands, and buts.

Kenyon Ledford said:

Who here believes that?

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Not I. I do not even believe in Sola Scriptura

Kenyon Ledford said:

It doesn't DEPEND on anything. Saved is saved. End of.

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Does the word "IF" mean anything ? And "WILL BE" ?

As in Jesus word: They WILL BE saved IF they ENDURE to the end.

So many warnings in GOD'S WORD, should we ignore them all ? (only at our peril)

Kenyon Ledford said:

It doesn't DEPEND on anything. Saved is saved. End of.

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What I mean is different people have different ideas about what it means to follow the whole Bible. So, I might have asked, what do you mean by that? It was really meant as a question about what you mean,

where you said:

if you don't follow the entire Bible to the letter

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There are things which are guaranteed to happen, if we have trusted in Jesus > Ephesians 1:12.

Each person becomes "one spirit with Him" (in 1 Corinthians 6:17).

Each one is turned "from the power of Satan to God" > Acts 26:18.

Every child of God is corrected > Hebrews 12:4-11.

Each of us is being changed into the image of Jesus > Romans 8:29, with 2 Corinthians 3:17-18.

And Isaiah 55:11 guarantees how God's word shall do all which God Himself means by this.

And Romans 5:10 says we who have trusted in Jesus "shall be saved by His life."

And we have how God's love has been perfected in us > 1 John 4:17-18.

So, if possibly someone claims to be saved, but this isn't happening, this would be a concern.

But if you are talking about doing what certain people mean by every word, that could be not what is needed.

If I did not merit my personal salvation, then I cannot lose it. It is God who saves, not me. The only thing I contributed to my salvation is the sin that made it necessary.

Jonaitis said:

If I did not merit my personal salvation, then I cannot lose it. It is God who saves, not me. The only thing I contributed to my salvation is the sin that made it necessary.

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Not one of the multitudes who are tossed in the lake of fire "merits their 'personal salvation'"
AND not one of them is saved.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Not one of the multitudes who are tossed in the lake of fire "merits their 'personal salvation'"
AND not one of them is saved.

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What's your point?

Kenyon Ledford said:

are going to hell by not following certain verses in the bible? I have seen more than twice here, people say that eternal damnation is someone's lot if...

And that is despite that person being born again.

Once you accept Christ into your heart and life, you are saved. God does not take that back. All of Romans practically is God backing up that promise.

I'm gobsmacked by the Christians here who think if you don't follow the entire Bible to the letter God will revoke that promise and send you to hell.

Who here believes that?

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Maybe if you gave us an example. For example, sin. What does the bible teach about "born again believers" who willingly sin:

Heb 10:26 - For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

Heb 10:27 - but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.

But then you mention Romans. Romans addresses apostasy:

Rom 11:22 - Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

But maybe you mean something else.

Jonaitis said:

What's your point?

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Someone posted an IF - THEN postulate.

Scripture says clearly that multitudes of IF -THEN in the same reasoning did not reach the same end as proposed.

Perhaps something was left out ?

Kenyon Ledford said:

are going to hell by not following certain verses in the bible?

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"Certain verses" ? As in Specific verses ?

Like John 3:18 ?

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Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

I do not believe in the Once Saved, Always Saved doctrine as I believe that we are allowed the free will to reject Christ's gift of grace even after we've accepted it at some point. I definitely don't believe that God is looking for ways to trick us or pull the rug out from under us. In fact, just the opposite. He is always looking for a relationship with us and to extend his grace, even long before we ever come to know him, and he is not going to just let us go simply because we commit a sin or forget to confess something or stop going to church or some other thing we *do*.

His gift of grace is always there, always extended, and we just need to say "yes" and then put our trust and confidence in Christ for the rest. By doing so, we will show *evidence* of the Holy Spirit working in us by producing the fruit of the Spirit of love, joy, peace, long-suffering, etc.

If we go through our lives as nominal Christians and do not regularly show any evidence of the fruit of the Holy Spirit, then something is amiss in our salvation. We either "got saved" and then completely stopped growing, or we did not accept Christ's gift of grace.

As for who goes to "hell", that's likely up to us as well. We can either choose to be a part of Christ or we can choose to be apart from Christ, and perhaps we are even unaware that we are choosing Christ but he has given us grace all the same even if we only know him as "the Divine" or in some more agnostic sense. It is Christ who will judge our hearts, and just as some self-proclaimed, nominal "Christians" may be found lacking, there may be others who never professed Christ as such, but still followed him all the same. It is not for us humans to be able to discern.

Kenyon Ledford said:

follow the entire Bible

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What does that mean?