Bold Prediction: Over-the-phone ministered healing to a specific member of this community!

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RDKirk said:

Do you believe Jesus saw Nathaniel beyond line of sight? Yes or no.

Do you believe Jesus knew the history of the woman at the well? Yes or no.

Considering the fact--explicit in the scripture--that the gentile woman was insistently calling out to Jesus and would not be quieted, do you believe Jesus was ignorant of her presence or her faith? Do you think it was only her response to His remark that He suddenly thought at that final moment, "Oh, well, I guess you're serious. Maybe I better change my mind and give you what you've been hounding me for all morning."

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I believe that Christ laid aside his divine attributes, like omniscience, when he came here. As the scriptures tell us. I quoted Philippians 2:5-8 in the last post to you. Did you tear that one out of your Bible? BTW: This is not a denial of the deity of Christ.

Jesus was given the prophetic insight of a seer, a prophet. He saw Nathanael under the tree. The history of the Samaritan woman was revealed to him prophetically. The Father had sent him there. And probably gave him step-by-step instructions. Like he does with us. Based on the text, I think he was genuinely surprised by the words of the Canaanite woman. And was therefore obliged, or led, to grant her request. Prior to that he had completely ignored her. Do you believe Jesus would have let her carry on all day if he already knew the final outcome and could deal with it as soon as she arrived? As Jesus stated, she had no right to the "goods" until she demonstrated her faith with her wise words.

Strong in Him said:

I said in a previous post that healing comes in many ways.
Is David Watson a full healed, perfect, complete being? Yes, he's dead and with the Lord he loved.
Was death the outcome for which he, fellow Christians and young children were praying? No, it was that the cancer would go and he be physically well.

He was healed.
It was not in the way that he, or others, expected.

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Based on that supernatural insight, does God always heal, or not?

Strong in Him said:

It's a valid question, and one which you may well get asked by non Christians.
Having an answer would be good - they would be most dissatisfied if you didn't.

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It is God's will that everyone be healed. Believers have divine authority to act as kingdom ambassadors to administer salvation, deliverance and healing. Do you believe God can heal you? Or do you believe that God does not always heal? (therefore he most likely will not heal you) The choice is yours. Belief or unbelief.

Is not the claim that "God does not always heal" carnal and temporal?
Does it not mean that "only on occasion" does a miracle happen?
Is this not a worldly and unspiritual expectation, or the lack thereof?
A doctrine of unbelief, which I will in no way entertain! We are to be renewed by the transformation of our minds to defy logical outcomes and live by faith! Then, and only then will we know what God's will is. Get it?????????

How can that be a valid question!!!!!!!??????

Strong in Him said:

The person being prayed for is receiving more prayer than he was before.
Any encounter with God will have a positive outcome - but it it not for us to say what that will be. God is working in the life of that person whom he loves very much. But for us to say that he can ONLY be glorified through physical healing, that has to happen in a certain way, at a certain time - would be wrong.

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Will a tyre with a puncture hold air?
Best get your repair kit and patch that up.
Your argument is not air-tight.

Saint Steven said:

Sorry. Your question is a claim slip for the window that says UNBELIEF. I don't want it.

God wants everyone to be healed.
On that basis we should work toward 100 percent success to fulfill God's will.
Anything short is failure on our part. God never fails.

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You talk a lot about unbelief. Do we blame the sick persons unbelief?

FIRESTORM314 said:

I know this one is digressing just a little

I noticed that Paul let this go on for days before tackling it. When he did finally command the spirit to come out of her all hell broke loose. Do you think Paul suspected this was a trap or do you think he didn't have faith or was it for some other reason? Why didn't Paul cast out the Spirit on day one?

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I just realized the similarity between this story and the Canaanite woman with Jesus in Matthew fifteen.

I imagine (presume) that there was a lot of commotion surrounding this marketplace ministry. And what she was saying may have been helpful initially. At some point Paul lost his temper (a fleshly reaction) but used every believer's God-given kingdom authority to deliver her from the demon.

The better question may be, why was a demonized girl shouting "These men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved." for days on end? Who's kingdom does that benefit? Wait 'til the boss hears about that one. lol - "...all hell broke loose", as you say.

Acts 16:16-18
Once when we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a female slave who had a spirit by which she predicted the future. She earned a great deal of money for her owners by fortune-telling. 17 She followed Paul and the rest of us, shouting, “These men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved.” 18 She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so annoyed that he turned around and said to the spirit, “In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!” At that moment the spirit left her.

W2L said:

You talk a lot about unbelief. Do we blame the sick persons unbelief?

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If someone is raised from the dead, was it on the basis of their belief? (nope)
I gave testimony earlier about a man who was healed by telephone ministry with his sister. He didn't even know it was happening. Belief is not always necessary.

However, in some cases it is required. Jesus healed some on the BASIS of their belief.
Probably good to ask someone if they believe God will heal them. If they say no, follow your leading as to where to go from there. Does God want you to deal with the unbelief? Or continue praying for them? When they get their healing they are more likely to believe. So, which comes first, belief or healing?

But in the context of this discussion, I am more concerned with the unbelief of believers with the God-given authority to do kingdom business that claim that God does not always heal. (unbelief)

Imagine a police officer that pulled you over on the highway for speeding.
You ask, "Are you going to give me a ticket?" To which the officer replies,
"Let me check with the station. I may not be authorized to give you a ticket.
I don't give tickets to everyone." We would have serious doubts about that officer.
Why wasn't that officer acting according to his given authority? Why did that officer doubt?

Saint Steven said:

If someone is raised from the dead, was it on the basis of their belief? (nope)
I gave testimony earlier about a man who was healed by telephone ministry with his sister. He didn't even know it was happening. Belief is not always necessary.

However, in some cases it is required. Jesus healed some on the BASIS of their belief.
Probably good to ask someone if they believe God will heal them. If they say no, follow your leading as to where to go from there. Does God want you to deal with the unbelief? Or continue praying for them? When they get their healing they are more likely to believe. So, which comes first, belief or healing?

But in the context of this discussion, I am more concerned with the unbelief of believers with the God-given authority to do kingdom business that claim that God does not always heal. (unbelief)

Imagine a police officer that pulled you over on the highway for speeding.
You ask, "Are you going to give me a ticket?" To which the officer replies,
"Let me check with the station. I may not be authorized to give you a ticket.
I don't give tickets to everyone." We would have serious doubts about that officer.
Why wasn't that officer acting according to his given authority? Why did that officer doubt?

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Not everyone has the authority to heal. Do all have the gift of healing?

Saint Steven said:

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Imagine a police officer that pulled you over on the highway for speeding.
You ask, "Are you going to give me a ticket?" To which the officer replies,
"Let me check with the station. I may not be authorized to give you a ticket.
I don't give tickets to everyone." We would have serious doubts about that officer.
Why wasn't that officer acting according to his given authority? Why did that officer doubt?

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Good quote but I'll put another spin on it

Imagine a new sales rep who breaks the company record in his first Month. The manager ask how he did it - he replies "Well..I discovered the elderly where the best customers - I used to speak and speak until I tired them out and they signed up. I knew they needed this product badly. The manager replies "Well done - the botton line is we earn money and keep the company profitable". Months went by and then all the complaints came in. The Director finds out and asks what is going on. The new sales rep explains what he did and the manager gave it his approval. The Director said to the sales rep "You are suspended until you get some proper training" Then he turned to the manager and said "You are sacked ! As a manager you should know we conduct our business ethically " Our name and reputation has been badly damaged. Money is important but it is not the bottom Line !

I say we all stop talking about healing people, and go out and actually be used to heal people. People are dying while we sit here and argue doctrines. Are there people left who would have their works speak for them....instead of speaking up for works?

FIRESTORM314 said:

Good quote but I'll put another spin on it

Imagine a new sales rep who breaks the company record in his first Month. The manager ask how he did it - he replies "Well..I discovered the elderly where the best customers - I used to speak and speak until I tired them out and they signed up. I knew they needed this product badly. The manager replies "Well done - the botton line is we earn money and keep the company profitable". Months went by and then all the complaints came in. The Director finds out and asks what is going on. The new sales rep explains what he did and the manager gave it his approval. The Director said to the sales rep "You are suspended until you get some proper training" Then he turned to the manager and said "You are sacked ! As a manager you should know we conduct our business ethically " Our name and reputation has been badly damaged. Money is important but it is not the bottom Line !

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I'm guessing you don't have the gift of parables. lol

How does this apply?
Are you claiming it is unethical to claim that it is God's will that everyone be healed?

Are you praying for the sick and injured? Are none of them getting healed?
What are you doing?????????? (or not doing)

Choose your prayer minister:
1) "Okay, I'll pray for you, but If you get healed it will be a miracle." (shrug)
2) "Yes, I'll pray for you, because it is God's will that everyone be healed." (smile)

Romans 4:17
As it is written: “I have made you a father of many nations.” He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed—the God who gives life to the dead and calls into being things that were not.

W2L said:

Not everyone has the authority to heal. Do all have the gift of healing?

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I strongly disagree. That is a tenet of unbelief.
The believer's God-given authority came before the gifts (manifestations) of the Spirit.
Furthermore, we don't own the gifts, they are manifestations of the Holy Spirit.
You would use the same argument to claim that not all can speak in tongues. (false)

The gift of healing is an extraordinary manifestation that goes well beyond the average believer's authority to minister healing and deliverance and salvation and water baptism and the baptism with the Holy Spirit.

Luke 10:1, 17
1 After this the Lord appointed seventy-two others and sent them two by two ahead of him to every town and place where he was about to go. ...
17 The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.”

John 4:1-2
Now Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that he was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John— 2 although in fact it was not Jesus who baptized, but his disciples.

Saint Steven said:

You would use the same argument to claim that not all can speak in tongues. (false)

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Wrong. Its not false.

Saint Steven said:

Will a tyre with a puncture hold air?
Best get your repair kit and patch that up.
Your argument is not air-tight.

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In what way?
Do you think we should tell God what to do?

Saint Steven said:

I'm guessing you don't have the gift of parables. lol

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No mate LOL

A little less conversation - a little more action

I'll finish on this thread with an inspirational verse

For the kingdom of God depends not on talk but on power.

Strong in Him said:

I never said that we weren't to love, or that others need to deserve our love.
Jesus has commanded us to love as he loves us; none of us deserve love and salvation from God.

As to your question; I can relate.
I walk with a stick, due to a slipped disc some years ago. Those Christians who know me marvel at how my walking has improved, in only 3 years; those Christians who don't, rush to explain that I need healing and to urge me to claim it.
Many conversations are started by people who see my stick and ask about it and my injury - sometimes these lead to conversations about faith and healing. This is from God; were I 100% whole and running about, no one would give me a second glance. I witness to him IN my disability, am healthy and ok.
Should he remove my disability one day, before death, that would be up to him and absolutely fine by me. But I'm not going to INSIST that he does, or think any less of him if he doesn't.

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It is ok to ask Him to heal you. He will. I too herniated a disc in my neck. It was quit painful. I took the medical root as guided by Him. Mri was taken showing the disc and that surgury was needed. I got to the point of just before having a shot to ease the pain. I actually thought that I would lose my job if a surgury was not done. Then one day I clearly heard The Lord ask me if I wanted to go fishing. It was my day off. As I arrived at the pond, I parked my car, and looked over at the pond. I could see a young woman with a very long dress on. She was kneeling down with both her hands in the water. I thought to myself that perhaps I might frighten her by the way I was dressed. I was dressed like a redneck. For what better way to reach rednecks than to dress like one. I then took my fishing rod and my tackle box and headed toward the pond. To get to the pond one must walk a little in the woods and over a bridge. As I was walking toward the pond, a could feel The Presence of The Lord (Gift of Discernment) getting stronger and stronger.As I finally got to the pond, I noticed that the woman was not there. Where had she gone? Had she run off into the woods. I do not remember much about the fishing I did, but I clearly remember the words I heard on the drive home. "My son do you not notice something missing?" What was missing was my pain and suffering from the herniated disc. And that remains to this day. This is but one of many acts of mercy that The Lord has done for me over the years. He never gives you more than you can handle, even though it may seem like it at the time.

Saint Steven said:

It is God's will that everyone be healed.

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If by that you mean physical healing, then God is not accomplishing his own will in a lot of people.

Saint Steven said:

Do you believe God can heal you?

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He HAS healed me, form M.E.
He IS healing me, of past memories, hurts, spiritual abuse etc.
He WILL completely heal me by death.

Saint Steven said:

Is not the claim that "God does not always heal" carnal and temporal?

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No - if you're talking about physical healing; it's a fact.

Saint Steven said:

Does it not mean that "only on occasion" does a miracle happen?

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It depends how you define miracle.
Some believers regard only complete, and immediate, removal of physical symptoms as being miraculous. Any suggestion that God heals through doctors; they don't want to know.
Some people would say that being healed of a traumatic past even is miraculous - or getting a good night's sleep in the first time for a long time.
Some believers would say that an unbeliever being born again is a true miracle - and actually the only important one.

Saint Steven said:

Is this not a worldly and unspiritual expectation, or the lack thereof?

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Assuming that God will bring one kind of healing and in a certain way is just that; an assumption.

Saint Steven said:

How can that be a valid question!!!!!!!??????

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Cut the dramatic punctuation marks; asking why a person/people have not received, or never did receive, physical healing when it is apparently God's will to give this to everyone, is a perfectly valid question.
Saying, "that's negative; I'm not even going to think about it", is avoidance.

The person for whom the OP is praying may be physically healed - next month, next year, or any minute now. That is a possibility and I'm not discounting it.
That David Watson was not physically healed from cancer, so that he lived to see his children grow up, is a fact - one which won't change, no matter how many exclamation marks you use, or how often you denounce it as being negative.

RaymondG said:

I say we all stop talking about healing people, and go out and actually be used to heal people. People are dying while we sit here and argue doctrines. Are there people left who would have their works speak for them....instead of speaking up for works?

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Testimony. (divine appointment)

So I hit the WINNER button on this post and headed out the door with my wife to go to the Social Security office to help with some paperwork. We talked about all these things on the way there. I had been sharing some links with her. She saw the Last Reformation movie number one. (the beginning)

We arrived at the location at opening and there was long line outside already. So we waited in the car and talked some more until we saw the initial line go in. Then we started to make our way to the building to get in line as more were showing up.

No sooner did we get in line than a man was making his way to the back of the line where we were coming to us with a walker, struggling to make his way, but seeming friendly and polite. As soon as he found his spot behind me he began talking to me. lol

It was obvious to my wife and I that this was a divine appointment. So I engaged with him about his difficulties. He shared readily the whole situation with me. I asked about what the condition prevented him from doing. (I wanted a way to measure progress while we prayed) So I asked him if he had ever received prayer for his condition. He said he had, and asked if I wanted to pray for him too. I asked him if he was a believer (yes he was) and began to pray for him as we moved through the line.

He said he had a plate and screws in his back that needed to be removed. When I put a hand in that area I could feel heat. I asked him if he felt anything. (nothing to report) I informed him later of the Bethel church in Redding CA, where they had good success with metal disappearing when they prayed. We didn't see any progress on the spot, but my wife was good to assure him that the process was just beginning and that he would see results later in the day. My wife has prophetic abilities, so we'll go with that.

W2L said:

Wrong. Its not false.

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Thanks for proving my point.