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This may be kinda hypocritical to say and arrogant, but i may have lost my faith a bit in Christ. It's like i believe in God but I'm not sure what to think about when it comes to the whole son of God thing. Maybe it's because i'm in denial of the whole thing. But there's got to be a God of the universe which created everything , because how else would it have all gotten there.

It's just comes down to i just dont believe it to be real. I'm sure im not the only one who goes through this. I don't want to doubt God, but i have a hard time believing in the whole Christ thing and sin and faith and all that. It's like why does God only give us 2 options to go to when we die, lake of fire or city of gold? It just doesn't make sense. I know the bible is really metaphorical or is it the truth? I'm not sure. You know maybe if believed it was real my faith would be different in these matters.

It's like i believe in love i keep 1 Corithians 13 close to my heart everyday. But it's just i dont always know what to think when it comes to Christ and all that. So help me to see that this is real and i know it's one of those things where you have to believe in something you'll never see is real until you die. But there's got to be something real about even after all that happen.

I don't know i guess i'm kind of like that guy in the bible, after Jesus's death he didnt believe until Jesus came and had him touch the 2 holes on his wrists from the cross. I can relate to him.

I wish i believed it to be real. that's where the battle in my mind is. How do i know or believe it's real?
 

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This may be kinda hypocritical to say and arrogant, but i may have lost my faith a bit in Christ. It's like i believe in God but I'm not sure what to think about when it comes to the whole son of God thing. Maybe it's because i'm in denial of the whole thing. But there's got to be a God of the universe which created everything , because how else would it have all gotten there.

It's just comes down to i just dont believe it to be real. I'm sure im not the only one who goes through this. I don't want to doubt God, but i have a hard time believing in the whole Christ thing and sin and faith and all that. It's like why does God only give us 2 options to go to when we die, lake of fire or city of gold? It just doesn't make sense. I know the bible is really metaphorical or is it the truth? I'm not sure. You know maybe if believed it was real my faith would be different in these matters.

It's like i believe in love i keep 1 Corithians 13 close to my heart everyday. But it's just i dont always know what to think when it comes to Christ and all that. So help me to see that this is real and i know it's one of those things where you have to believe in something you'll never see is real until you die. But there's got to be something real about even after all that happen.

I don't know i guess i'm kind of like that guy in the bible, after Jesus's death he didnt believe until Jesus came and had him touch the 2 holes on his wrists from the cross. I can relate to him.

I wish i believed it to be real. that's where the battle in my mind is. How do i know or believe it's real?
Isn’t sin something you can see everyday, both the action and the ramifications of it? Death, disease, pain, suffering, etc are not things that come from God, but from our sin. And if those things are apparent, apparently helping us observe the effects of sin, we know that sin exists and is definitely real. If sin is real, we know sin leads to death, for “the wages of sin is death.” If sin leads to death, then that proves our need of a Savior. You said yourself that you already believe in God; if you believe in God, you must believe in an afterlife.

If you know that all of us are sinners, then we know that at the end of our life comes judgement, “as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgement.” (Hebrews 9:27). If judgement is coming, and rational says it is, then we know we stand no chance of being worthy in God’s eyes, yet if God provides us a payment for our sins, and the free gift of eternal life, and saves us from condemnation by giving us His righteousness, then we know that we can face the throne of God with confidence. Yet, without Jesus Christ, we have no confidence toward God, because all of us are sinners.
 
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This may be kinda hypocritical to say and arrogant, but i may have lost my faith a bit in Christ. It's like i believe in God but I'm not sure what to think about when it comes to the whole son of God thing. Maybe it's because i'm in denial of the whole thing. But there's got to be a God of the universe which created everything , because how else would it have all gotten there.

It's just comes down to i just dont believe it to be real. I'm sure im not the only one who goes through this. I don't want to doubt God, but i have a hard time believing in the whole Christ thing and sin and faith and all that. It's like why does God only give us 2 options to go to when we die, lake of fire or city of gold? It just doesn't make sense. I know the bible is really metaphorical or is it the truth? I'm not sure. You know maybe if believed it was real my faith would be different in these matters.

It's like i believe in love i keep 1 Corithians 13 close to my heart everyday. But it's just i dont always know what to think when it comes to Christ and all that. So help me to see that this is real and i know it's one of those things where you have to believe in something you'll never see is real until you die. But there's got to be something real about even after all that happen.

I don't know i guess i'm kind of like that guy in the bible, after Jesus's death he didnt believe until Jesus came and had him touch the 2 holes on his wrists from the cross. I can relate to him.

I wish i believed it to be real. that's where the battle in my mind is. How do i know or believe it's real?
The bottom line is that you believe that the whole Bible is true or none of it is true. You can't take a part of the Bible and say you believe it, and say that another part isn't true.

If you read and study the Old Testament properly, you will see that the Bible is unmistakenly true in what the prophets predicted, because their prophecies came to pass just as they said. For instance, Isaiah said of the Messiah that they pierced His hands and his feet, which spoke of crucifixion hundreds of years before crucifixion was thought of. How did Isaiah know, hundreds of years before, that the Messiah, Jesus Christ was going to be crucified? In another place, Daniel I think, it said that the Messiah was pierced unto death. This was not crucifixion but spoke of the spear being pushed into Jesus' side. But the Romans never did that because crucifixion was designed to be a slow torturous death. But what happened with Jesus was that when the Roman soldier saw that Jesus was dead already, he was angry because Jesus died too soon, and so he thrust the spear into His side in anger. Also, a prophet in the Old Testament said that not a Messiah's bone would be broken. But it was the normal procedure for the Romans to eventually break the legs of crucified people to make them die. When they came to break the leg bones of the three who were crucified because they didn't want them hanging on the cross over the Sabbath, they found that Jesus had died already so they didn't break His legs as they did the others. So the prophecy was fulfilled.

So, how did the Old Testament prophets know of these things unless God told them?

Look at the statue in Daniel with its head of gold, breast of silver, loins of brass, legs of iron? These talked of the Babylonian, Persian, Greek, and Roman Empires. Notice that the Roman was made up of two legs. See how accurate the Bible is in its prophecies? The Roman Empire split into two when Constantine shifted his capital to Constantinople and ruled the eastern Empire, while he had a Regent rule the western Empire. That's the two legs of iron - the Roman Empire in its two separate parts.

How did Paul know all about the life of Jesus, and the last Supper when he never consulted the other Apostles in Jerusalem before he wrote 1 Corinthians. Who told him about it? He went into Arabia and stayed there 14 years and didn't confer with anyone in the church. So it must have been Jesus who told him all about it while he was in Arabia.

Matthew must have been written before AD70, because his book starts with the genealogical record of Jesus. But all those records were destroyed with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple.

Also, if you study the book of Daniel and its prophetic timing from the time Israel went into captivity, until the rebuilding of Jerusalem, to the birth of the Messiah, to His ministry, His entry into Jerusalem. When you line it up with the historical record, you will find that the timing was exact, almost to the very day! And the historical figures (Herod the Great, Augustus Caesar) accurately coincide with the birth of Jesus. The ministry of Jesus involved Herod (the son of Herod the Great) Pontius Pilate (whose inscription is there for all to see on a stone in Caesarea) and Tiberius (started his reign earlier than previously thought). So this puts Jesus at a very specific time in world history.

Also, if the first 11 chapters of Genesis are not true, then we have no other evidence for our existence, we have no basis to believe how sin entered into the world, and therefore no idea why Jesus actually came to die on the cross for our sins.

So, if the Bible is absolutely true in those areas, then it must be true in every other area, especially where it describes Jesus as the Son of God. Isaiah describes the Messiah (Jesus) as "Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God". So if the prophet has described Jesus as God, then He must be. Isaiah was dead right in his other prophecies, so he has to be right in his description of the Messiah well.

So, what I am saying is, that if you don't believe that the whole Bible is absolutely true, then you have no foundation for Christian faith. You may be quite religious, but you cannot be a genuinely converted Christian believer.

So, I think you have some choices to make.
 
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Are you familiar with the scriptures? I think soaking in it will make things clearer for you, such as the connection between Christ and 1Cor 13.
 
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This may be kinda hypocritical to say and arrogant, but i may have lost my faith a bit in Christ. It's like i believe in God but I'm not sure what to think about when it comes to the whole son of God thing. Maybe it's because i'm in denial of the whole thing. But there's got to be a God of the universe which created everything , because how else would it have all gotten there.

It's just comes down to i just dont believe it to be real. I'm sure im not the only one who goes through this. I don't want to doubt God, but i have a hard time believing in the whole Christ thing and sin and faith and all that. It's like why does God only give us 2 options to go to when we die, lake of fire or city of gold? It just doesn't make sense. I know the bible is really metaphorical or is it the truth? I'm not sure. You know maybe if believed it was real my faith would be different in these matters.

It's like i believe in love i keep 1 Corithians 13 close to my heart everyday. But it's just i dont always know what to think when it comes to Christ and all that. So help me to see that this is real and i know it's one of those things where you have to believe in something you'll never see is real until you die. But there's got to be something real about even after all that happen.

I don't know i guess i'm kind of like that guy in the bible, after Jesus's death he didnt believe until Jesus came and had him touch the 2 holes on his wrists from the cross. I can relate to him.

I wish i believed it to be real. that's where the battle in my mind is. How do i know or believe it's real?
I think that it's something that you have to believe in with all of your heart,and you have to believe for it to be true with all of your heart and soul.
 
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I relate in that as a Christian, for years I let myself have a hazy belief that He can't really mean ALL that stuff. Then I'd let myself listen to the smart people who said Jesus was just a cool philosopher, and mixing that all together I could live life the way I, ME, wanted to.

But fishing around I could never get a true Christian believer to tell me I was on the right path. This year Christ finally reclaimed me, gently yet forcibly.

There are so many triggers and whispers telling me I'm wasting my time and making a fool of myself by making this choice and publicly proclaiming my faith. Just live the way I want, look all around, everybody lives how they want and it's acceptable. Get back in the pool, have fun, and no loving God will punish you in the end.

That's why I found this forum. A Christian as weak and vulnerable as me needs to be around strong people of the Christian faith. I need to immerse myself in all things Christian. Trying to swim in the world right now, for me, is like being a fish trying to hitchhike in the desert. I don't dare. Satan is real and he wants me back.

You can't dabble in Christianity. One foot in hell means you've got a boulder tied to the other one and you're ready to toss it over the abyss.

You can't be a Christian and ask for an easy way out or say "well if God would just come down and prove it..." The one thing you can't refute is that a man, Jesus, sought out to, and succesfully died horribly in a grizzly crucifiction. He didn't do it for the fun of it. He didn't do it so you or I could go all squishy on him.

I'm typing this out as much for me as for you I think. Surround yourself with strenghth and not fools. It's SO EASY to get sucked in by the world. Satan hates you, God loves you, try to be a blessing to the right one.
 
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I don't know i guess i'm kind of like that guy in the bible, after Jesus's death he didnt believe until Jesus came and had him touch the 2 holes on his wrists from the cross. I can relate to him.

I wish i believed it to be real. that's where the battle in my mind is. How do i know or believe it's real?
It may be that you have to start with the Bible first. Is IT real and truthful...or not?

If it is, then you have your answer, even if the whys and hows of some of the contents are above our human level of comprehension. You do not have to know how everything relating to God works, you know, in order to believe that it IS what it says it is.

But if you are convinced that the Bible is just a compilation of musings about religious matters and history, as penned by some old Jews...then you probably will not believe.
 
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One thing I will say is think about everything that was created. For example when you watch documentaries on our existence from a worldly view, it talks about "impossible odds" all the time.

For example the odds that out of a explosion of nothingness (makes no sense mind you), the universe was made. Then the impossible odds that our sun would form. Then the impossible odds that our planet would form at the perfect distance. Then the impossible odds that something would crash into earth and create water. Then the impossible odds that that tiny cells would form (given there are none elsewhere mind you). Then the impossible odds that those cells would evolve into various water forms like fish, then into creatures with legs, then into those things going onto land, then change into monkeys, then into us.

All this with all its beyond crazy complexities such as the human body which is beyond complex and still not fully understood. Just hard to believe there was no creator.

At least for me it blows my mind. And also lets not forget how many prophecies were given that happened. And the ones that happened in recent history. None have been wrong yet.
 
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thank you much all for your feed back. i will keep everything in mind what you said. I don't have time to reply to each of you individually but ill reply in general. I've read in the past that the "3rd temple, Jerusalem" will be built soon. It's under construction as we speak. After it's completion will mark the end times? I've seen all the movies of "left behind" many times. and have read scriptures of it "dont' remember exact ones" but i've read them.

So from my understanding the 3rd temple is going to be finished soon, some say possibly even this year it'll be done, maybe by 2021? And is that true that the 2 men in the prophecy will stand guard at the temple breathing fire from their mouths to anyone who tries to come there in destruction?

What truth of all this is really true about the western wall 3rd temple coming to pass soon?
 
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This may be kinda hypocritical to say and arrogant, but i may have lost my faith a bit in Christ. It's like i believe in God but I'm not sure what to think about when it comes to the whole son of God thing. Maybe it's because i'm in denial of the whole thing. But there's got to be a God of the universe which created everything , because how else would it have all gotten there.

It's just comes down to i just dont believe it to be real. I'm sure im not the only one who goes through this. I don't want to doubt God, but i have a hard time believing in the whole Christ thing and sin and faith and all that. It's like why does God only give us 2 options to go to when we die, lake of fire or city of gold? It just doesn't make sense. I know the bible is really metaphorical or is it the truth? I'm not sure. You know maybe if believed it was real my faith would be different in these matters.

It's like i believe in love i keep 1 Corithians 13 close to my heart everyday. But it's just i dont always know what to think when it comes to Christ and all that. So help me to see that this is real and i know it's one of those things where you have to believe in something you'll never see is real until you die. But there's got to be something real about even after all that happen.

I don't know i guess i'm kind of like that guy in the bible, after Jesus's death he didnt believe until Jesus came and had him touch the 2 holes on his wrists from the cross. I can relate to him.

I wish i believed it to be real. that's where the battle in my mind is. How do i know or believe it's real?

My experience with older Christians, is that all of them at one point in their lives, had a "do I really believe this stuff?" moment.

What you are going through is normal. I would be more worried for you, if you were just blindly believing everything without thinking about it.

Additionally, what I have found is that every single Christian who openly says to G-d..... I don't know if I believe this, and i need to you show me, or prove to me that you are there. Just help my unbelief.

Eventually that Christian will be answered by G-d, and it may not happen how, when expected, but he does answer his people.

My father went through this, and he told me about his answer. Things were having some troubles in his life after getting married, and he had that moment where..... was it really true? Was an question for him. His answer came when he started reading a book about Israel. All of the prophesies just about the land. Who would own it, what would happen to it, the destruction of the land. Things like the land would be barren and destroyed, and then you read how the Ottoman Empire had put in place a tax on trees in that land, causing everyone to cut down the trees throughout Israel, which destroyed the soil through erosion.

When he read all of the things foretold thousands of years ago, and how they came to pass in the modern, he realized this was his answer. It was real, it is true... it all happened exactly has G-d said it would.

He never questioned his faith again.

I don't know what your answer will be. I don't know what evidence will confirm to you what is true.

What I do know, is there are answers, and G-d will answer you if you ask him openly and honestly.
 
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My experience with older Christians, is that all of them at one point in their lives, had a "do I really believe this stuff?" moment.

What you are going through is normal. I would be more worried for you, if you were just blindly believing everything without thinking about it.

Additionally, what I have found is that every single Christian who openly says to G-d..... I don't know if I believe this, and i need to you show me, or prove to me that you are there. Just help my unbelief.

Eventually that Christian will be answered by G-d, and it may not happen how, when expected, but he does answer his people.

My father went through this, and he told me about his answer. Things were having some troubles in his life after getting married, and he had that moment where..... was it really true? Was an question for him. His answer came when he started reading a book about Israel. All of the prophesies just about the land. Who would own it, what would happen to it, the destruction of the land. Things like the land would be barren and destroyed, and then you read how the Ottoman Empire had put in place a tax on trees in that land, causing everyone to cut down the trees throughout Israel, which destroyed the soil through erosion.

When he read all of the things foretold thousands of years ago, and how they came to pass in the modern, he realized this was his answer. It was real, it is true... it all happened exactly has G-d said it would.

He never questioned his faith again.

I don't know what your answer will be. I don't know what evidence will confirm to you what is true.

What I do know, is there are answers, and G-d will answer you if you ask him openly and honestly.

thank you for your answer. I hope one day to be answered by God so i believe fully and not just in part. It's just i'm having a hard time placing my belief in God to the reality of him. I pray one day god will show me the truth of it all. So i won't be in doubt.
 
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I'd be quite leery of putting much faith in films or rapture fiction books such as the left behind series. They are entertainment, and as such, quite a few liberties end up being taken for dramatic effect... plus, they are based upon a form of scriptural interpretation (dispensationalism), which takes a few liberties with the scriptures too.

I've seen far too many folks ending up with serious faith struggles by putting too much faith in film or books, rather than the scriptures themselves. Consider what happens faith wise when 2021 passes, no wall is built, and Jesus has not returned.

The thing is, God does poke at us with the faith doubt thing, just as he has since the early days. Consider that for the first centuries of Christianity, there were many oddball letters, and many strange gospels circulating among Christians far beyond the ones chosen 1700 years ago to put the Bible together. Consider that for the first 1500 years, the average Christian didn't have much literacy, or even access to a Bible. And despite all of these serious problems, God brought people to faith, and Christianity grew like wild fire.

Doubt is part of the growing in Christ process for most people. Granted, a few such as my aunt might take things without critical examination for 70 years, where even in her last days she had a child like faith. Alas, for most of us, we will go through a period of doubt, some of us will go through cycles of deconstruction over an entire lifetime, but God works with all of us in His time.
 
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