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Hi ewq,
Thanks for your response. You wrote:
I appreciate that you do at least agree that it would only be an assumption to understand it that way.
You also wrote:
While all of those statements are true statements, they can't be insinuated to have some relevance to the horsemen of the Revelation of Jesus. They are merely true statements that stand as true, separate and apart from the description of the rider on the white horse.
You also wrote:
No, Christ's second coming is found in chapter 14 beginning in verse 14 of the Revelation. I never claimed that the horseman on the white horse as the seals are being broken open to be about Jesus' second coming. It actually describes his first visitation to us. No, I don't agree that the 7 trumpet judgments are representative of the opening of the seals. The trumpet judgments come after the opening of the sixth seal so all of the first five seals were broken open before the trumpet judgments are sounded. They are already done by the time the Revelation heralds the trumpet judgments.
You also wrote:
That is correct, but I'm not claiming that the events of Jesus' coming in Revelation 19 are the same as the horseman we are shown in the beginning. I'm merely saying that the description found of the rider on the white horse matches the description found of Jesus' at his second coming as coming to us as a rider on a white horse.
You also wrote:
Well, if I'm correct about the rider on the white horse in the beginning, then there is one reference to Jesus where he apparently isn't identified as you claim that he must be in all references to him in the Revelation. We will have to wait and see.
God bless,
In Christ, ted
Thanks for your response. You wrote:
First, This horseman is one of 4 and 3 of which are clearly evil so I think it's a light assumptions that the first one is also part of the overall group of 4.
I appreciate that you do at least agree that it would only be an assumption to understand it that way.
You also wrote:
Second, anti can mean against but it also means "instead of" as in a copy or imitation so coming on a white horse like Christ does fits the idea of the Antichrist coming as a false Christ. Christ warned about false christs.
While all of those statements are true statements, they can't be insinuated to have some relevance to the horsemen of the Revelation of Jesus. They are merely true statements that stand as true, separate and apart from the description of the rider on the white horse.
You also wrote:
Third, Christ's second coming is found in the 6th seal so the first seal isn't also the second coming. Each seal shows events from one of the 7 trumpets so none repeat.
No, Christ's second coming is found in chapter 14 beginning in verse 14 of the Revelation. I never claimed that the horseman on the white horse as the seals are being broken open to be about Jesus' second coming. It actually describes his first visitation to us. No, I don't agree that the 7 trumpet judgments are representative of the opening of the seals. The trumpet judgments come after the opening of the sixth seal so all of the first five seals were broken open before the trumpet judgments are sounded. They are already done by the time the Revelation heralds the trumpet judgments.
You also wrote:
Fourth, In Rev 19 Christ comes with a sword to conquer his enemies, not a bow.
That is correct, but I'm not claiming that the events of Jesus' coming in Revelation 19 are the same as the horseman we are shown in the beginning. I'm merely saying that the description found of the rider on the white horse matches the description found of Jesus' at his second coming as coming to us as a rider on a white horse.
You also wrote:
Fifth, There is no occurrence in Rev. that Christ is mentioned and is not clearly identified as Jesus Christ either by name or title that only applies to him.
Well, if I'm correct about the rider on the white horse in the beginning, then there is one reference to Jesus where he apparently isn't identified as you claim that he must be in all references to him in the Revelation. We will have to wait and see.
God bless,
In Christ, ted
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